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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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Is there any way that with a user who only has to use 2-3mg of bupe to get high that the headache Ive started having is from the naloxone. At 2-3mg that probably wouldn't have all my receptors flooded due to not enough bupe, so naloxone would be able to bind still & I've read headaches are caused by naloxone.
 
Sup guys, is it true that bupe gives no more of the classic qualitative effects once you reach ~4mg in dosing? There's this doctor with a suboxone practice whom has a channel on youtube (suboxdoc), who's also an ex-neurologist and ex-junkie, that says after 4mg you don't recieve any more of the opiate effects, that beyong this point it just adjusts more or less for tolerance from withdrawals.
 
oudadisworld said:
do they contain alot of talc and microcrystalline cellulose?
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They have neither. You can refer to the Subutex has gone generic thread to see what inactives they have.

I am certain talc and microcrystalline cellulose are not in it, just like the brand name formulations.

fatstep said:
Is there any way that with a user who only has to use 2-3mg of bupe to get high that the headache Ive started having is from the naloxone. At 2-3mg that probably wouldn't have all my receptors flooded due to not enough bupe, so naloxone would be able to bind still & I've read headaches are caused by naloxone.
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If you have had Suboxone before, and did not have a headache, naloxone is not the culprit. Naloxone sensitivities are always there (they don't come on 'eventually' after using Suboxone many times), and it's also typically worse than a headache.

DexterMeth said:
Sup guys, is it true that bupe gives no more of the classic qualitative effects once you reach ~4mg in dosing? There's this doctor with a suboxone practice whom has a channel on youtube (suboxdoc), who's also an ex-neurologist and ex-junkie, that says after 4mg you don't recieve any more of the opiate effects, that beyong this point it just adjusts more or less for tolerance from withdrawals.
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It's pretty much true man. You don't get any higher by exceeding that amount, it just covers more receptors in the brain - which helps in tolerant people because they have abused heroin or other opiates to the point of severe up regulation of the mu-opioid receptors.
 
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Since that's true it finally makes complete sense to me why most all doctors plan to get you down to ~4mg after they wean you off of you DOC. I can't believe I never knew about this..and I can't believe I'm still at 16mg. I was at 6mg last time, but this time around I got the 8mg pills and a very lax doctor, thinking I should just do as much as I want up to 32mg. Wow, how stupid. On the plus I'm truely in the mindset of "less is more" with opiates now. I NEVER nod of bupe, just get tired (like sleepy, not euphoric) and fall asleep if I let myself. If I sit really still and tune into it all really good, I can feel it working through my whole body quite strongly.

EDIT - and it doesn't work with full-on mu agonists because they will always give you that "I want more" feeling because they LET you. I haven't been so tuned in before, but I've always said that bupe gives you "just enough", and what I fully realize now is that "just enough" is "just what you need". That's why it works.
 
One thing I never quite understood is how come some people are put on 32 or even 16 mgs/day.I mean,when I 1st got put on Subutex I was coming from a 15 year H habit (with a few stops in between of course,never longer than 1 year and not longer than 3 years altogether) and my "trial" dose was 8mgs after less than 24 hours since my last H hit...no precipitated withdrawals,no wd at all for that matter,instant relief and next to no cravings whatsoever for my DOC .My habit was something inbetween 1/4 and 1/2 a gram H with more or less the same amount of cocaine IVed daily ,and 8mgs was more than enough for me to feel "normal",comfortable.Within less than a week I tappered down to 4mgs daily and not only did I feel no sign of withdrawals I actually felt way,way better on that dose ...8-9 months later and I'm stuck in 2-3mgs daily and I feel no adverse effects whatsoever from it .At least for me it's at these "low" doses that subutex addiction issues start,I've tried going lower than 2mgs/day and I felt uncomfortable and the thing is that at least in this country I need to be completely abstinent before I can start the Interferon treatment for Heps C. Since I've came this far I intend to be completely clean in 2 months time and I'm already stashing up all sorts of stuff which I suspect will be helpful once I do those very last mgs of Bupre ...I sincerely hope Tramadol,Temazepam,Midazolam,Alprazolam,Kratom,Loprazolam,Flupirtine and tons of Hash will be enough to get me through the 1st few weeks of total opiate absence which I DREAD so much. hahaha,this post sounds hilarious to me for some reason which i can't quite put my finger on at the moment...enjoying my last days of opiate induced bliss I guess ...
 
Heh, I got a lot of Portugese blood in me. Didn't you guys decriminalize heroin? Anyways, the only real answer to your question of why it works for you is because it DOES! :) As to why you're getting the symptoms as you go down below 2mg, I assume it's because your receptors are upregulated enough (from the bupe alone) that you start to feel it. 2mg seems semi-normal when you think of it, I mean 4mg is the cut off point for the opiod effects (tolerance aside), so if anything this could even possibly be normal, if not, maybe just slightly higher. I've maintained at 2mg before, but I was doing hella drugs on top of it and I was never satisfied...that and I was younger and didn't take any of it that seriously. You've showed that you'll ingest whatever it takes, so don't really fret it. There is a plethora of polydrug-round cocktails out there. Take to your doctor/find a new doctor to talk to, about this. Be open, be honest.. There's nothing wrong with detoxing and learning to life without suboxone.
 
Hi there, i was wondering if any of you recognize this: i'm for 2 and a half year or so on bupe, since a half year i'm on 1 mg, and since a couple of weeks i'm having these very short anxiety attacks on the brink of sleeping, and my ears go plop, it's like a flash of fear. I never had this before, not even on heroin. does anyone else has this on bupe?

Thanks, and greetings from holland.
 
^^Yeah Dex ,H is "decriminalized" in this country ,at least possession ,well,even dealing to a certain extent...say,if I'm caught with 5 g of H I can always claim it's got fukk all to do with dealing and it's for my own use exclusively and nothing will happen(well,given you haven't already got any drug dealing related charges),they'll just let you go your own way with the gear and that's about the size of it.As for quitting Subutex altogether I'll be honest with you ,I dread the day I consciously decide to do those last mgs of Bupre thus all those pharms/drugs I've been stashing up,I'm just not used to live opiate-free,my last attempts at quitting cold turkey were simply the worst nightmare one can think of,after a few months I'd still be feeling terrible ,post acute withdrawl symptoms they call it I think ,I call it living Hell ,"living" not being the right word for the way I was feeling.At this stage I have no alternative but to quit though,it's either that or no treatment for Heps C and in my mind it's pretty clear which of the two I must choose.
 
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dtklamf said:
Hi there, i was wondering if any of you recognize this: i'm for 2 and a half year or so on bupe, since a half year i'm on 1 mg, and since a couple of weeks i'm having these very short anxiety attacks on the brink of sleeping, and my ears go plop, it's like a flash of fear. I never had this before, not even on heroin. does anyone else has this on bupe?

Thanks, and greetings from holland.
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I haven't heard anything like that due to buprenorphine use. I would go to your doctor and ask about hypnotic/anxiolytic benzodiazepines.

If this is happening to you daily, then I would go to a doctor and ask what it is. If it is infrequent you can probably use benzos relatively easily. If it happens every night, then you'll want to know exactly what's causing it.

Good luck! Enjoy better drug laws than my shitty country! :)

fistful_of_needles said:
^^Yeah Dex ,H is "decriminalized" in this country ,at least possession ,well,even dealing to a certain extent...say,if I'm caught with 5 g of H I can always claim it's got fukk all to do with dealing and it's for my own use exclusively and nothing will happen(well,given you haven't already got any drug dealing related charges),they'll just let you go your own way with the gear and that's about the size of it.As for quitting Subutex altogether I'll be honest with you ,I dread the day I consciously decide to do those last mgs of Bupre thus all those pharms/drugs I've been stashing up,I'm just not used to live opiate-free,my last attempts at quitting cold turkey were simply the worst nightmare one can think of,after a few months I'd still be feeling terrible ,post acute withdrawl symptoms they call it I think ,I call it living Hell ,"living" not being the right word for the way I was feeling.At this stage I have no alternative but to quit though,it's either that or no treatment for Heps C and in my mind it's pretty clear which of the two I must choose.
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I think you'll be all right fistful! I am sure that you can taper off comfortably and benzos will help a lot, and hash helps a lot too.

I'm glad your country has decriminalized H, because that way it reduces crime in one's society. :)
 
I am seriously doubting whether I'll ever be able to quit taking Suboxone. I have been trying to stop since around Christmas and I always come up with an excuse once I get to around 48 hours after a dose...

I wish I would have known buprenorphine has such a long half-life, and I never would have gotten myself into this predicament.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
-> Suboxone Mega Thread

Suboxone doesn't work for everyone, if it isn't holding you well at high doses, you may want to try methadone.
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it seems to keep me out of withdrawal mostly, but ive never experienced any feeling/high/buzz of any sort of any intensity from buprenorphine. whether at 4 or 8 or 16 or 24 mg
 
Trigeminal said:
I am seriously doubting whether I'll ever be able to quit taking Suboxone. I have been trying to stop since around Christmas and I always come up with an excuse once I get to around 48 hours after a dose...

I wish I would have known buprenorphine has such a long half-life, and I never would have gotten myself into this predicament.
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Try tapering to really low doses, like < 1mg.

qwe said:
it seems to keep me out of withdrawal mostly, but ive never experienced any feeling/high/buzz of any sort of any intensity from buprenorphine. whether at 4 or 8 or 16 or 24 mg
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Not everyone likes thebaine derived drugs like buprenorphine. The process to get on methadone when on buprenorphine is pretty easy, but going back on buprenorphine is harder once you're stabilized on methadone.
 
Hi there, i was wondering if any of you recognize this: i'm for 2 and a half year or so on bupe, since a half year i'm on 1 mg, and since a couple of weeks i'm having these very short anxiety attacks on the brink of sleeping, and my ears go plop, it's like a flash of fear. I never had this before, not even on heroin. does anyone else has this on bupe?

Thanks, and greetings from holland.
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this happened when i had no tolerance and used opiates. all of a sudden while laying down dreamy, ill get that feeling and can tell that my ears popped

i don't think you'd need a benzo, and i bet a dr wouldnt prescribe the benzo as a first resort since you're an addict and dr's are afraid of making people addicted to their drugs. you could try a beta blocker. i assume it'll go away when quitting is done
Not everyone likes thebaine derived drugs like buprenorphine. The process to get on methadone when on buprenorphine is pretty easy, but going back on buprenorphine is harder once you're stabilized on methadone.
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i actually came from methadone
 
80mg said:
Anyone else here get a real speedy effect, then a crash from suboxone? By crash I mean like a 17 hour night sleep...
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I do get a more "speedy" effect from it than "sedation" for sure ...well,same as H really,before you get addicted to it sedation is the more pronounced effect whereas once you become a full blown addict it affects you in a very different way ,paradoxically making you more active/"speedy".
 
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