Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Ashley26]

Hey guys! So I've been using oxy again pretty heavily. About 100+mg orally. I don't know how muxh longer ill be going. Its not even that enjoyable anymore. But here I am.

Anyways, hope everyone is doing well.

Ps I've had the opaite hiccups for 20 minutes! Driving me insane! Ha

 

[Captain.Heroin]

the only times I taste that lemon flavor is if its a really concentrated shot, which usually means I'm doing more then 1 mg. I hate that shit, reminds me of a time I shot crack with koolaid.

Thanks a lot CH for your input,
I would get a micron filter, but it turns out that not only do I have no money, but I'm in debt 200 dollars, and I wont get paid until I illustrate an entire 48 page comic book.. so it looks like my veins are just going to have to rough it out a while longer, unless I can get the willpower to start sniffing it instead.

I know what debt is like, it sucks. Good luck!

It is definitely more addictive to inject drugs that give "rush" type effects when injected. Drugs like diazepam and buprenorphine are two drugs that don't give any rush IV, I'm pretty sure (...just rapid-onset effects...) Those drugs wouldn't seem to be any more addicting IV compared to other methods, but for the majority of the psychoactive drugs that do give rushes when used IV, they are definitely more addictive when used IV.

Of course, heroin is a very addictive drug for IV use. Buprenorphine has a rush for low opiate tolerant individuals and it's addictive for the right kind of person, I have met someone who begged me to let them do it again and were willing to have a used needle cleaned out. Needless to say I told them no, - I think what I meant to say by what I said was that some people have IV'd water in place of drugs, to continue a psychological fascination/obsession in a sense.

I do agree with what you say though to the degree that heroin is very addictive IV compared to other routes, for example. That is very true.

I feel like for some people that might be true, but I know that as long as I can inject it, and it will give me the largest % of the drug fastest, that is the ROA that I will choose. The only drugs I dont inject are aderall and some benzo's because they're not water soluble enough. Though I.V is dangerous with subs, it is my favorite way of doing it.

Same here. Adderall is much better taken orally from what I hear, and based on that, I would never inject Adderall.

yeah ive gotten my dose down to about 1mg at the most a day. but it takes seriously like 24 hrs without it until i notice any withdrawlsymptoms and i can go way longer if i smoke weed. this seems strange becuz a lot of my friends and others on bluelight and other sites report they need i.v. doses every 6-10 hours. im trying to taper because i hate having to wait so long between dosing. i guess im just trying to analyze how not to screw up the buzz because sometimes i wont feel it.

I go every 3 to 4 hours, maybe 6 to 10 hours if I need to. Then again I am probably using less than most people.

Hey guys! So I've been using oxy again pretty heavily. About 100+mg orally. I don't know how muxh longer ill be going. Its not even that enjoyable anymore. But here I am.

Anyways, hope everyone is doing well.

Ps I've had the opaite hiccups for 20 minutes! Driving me insane! Ha

Oh man I HATE hiccups!!! And burps, both I get from buprenorphine.

Hope you get over the hiccups Ashley!

Plus good luck with getting back on Suboxone, I hear you that it's not enjoyable anymore. I wouldn't enjoy heroin anymore if I did it either.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

at I hear, and based on that, I would never inject Adderall.

people are doing this like crazy in my town right now, everytime i try to tell someone its not a good idea they get defensive and treat me like a retard cause "it works real good man" and thats normally the point where they start begging me for a couple "freebies" outta my script. Sorry this has nothing to do with bupe, ive been wanting to vent about this on here but couldnt justify a new thread

 

[Znegative]

IME shooting bupe is more effective then adderall. I'm pretty sure adderall is a prodrug which means it becomes active in your gut or something (I could be wrong here) so it doesn't really make sense to bang. I've also done it in the past many times before I read about how bad it was, and I can say, I was just trying to stick a needle in my arm then. Adderall has no rush (well, it does, but its a shitty not good feeling one) and the high lasts about eight seconds when banged. I prefer to take it orally quite honestly, one of the only drugs I can say that about.

Anyway, well, it's been a complete week now, so I think I've succesfully tapered down to a point where 1 mg a day more than holds me. It's amazing how good that first shot of the morning is ,especially if its complemented with a nice cup of coffee.

I find that how offten I dose depends on how much I've dosed previously. If I do a .5 mg shot in the morning, it can hold me no problem untill about 8 pm, and then I start feeling uncomfortable. If I do .3 or less, I usually end up redosing in 4 hours. I would love to get to a point where I could wait 24 hours in between shots, as I feel I would probably get an even better effect from my bupe, but right now, I'm just focusing on keeping my intake low, and I'm proud of myself for accomplishing that this week!

 

[JayJohnson]

...that some people have IV'd water in place of drugs, to continue a psychological fascination/obsession in a sense.

I knew a girl who did that with warm water, to feel it moving through her veins. And for the ritual of IV'ing obviously.

 

[Znegative]

I was talking to my friend about this yesterday outside my outpatient program. I would probably do that if I didn't have subs to shoot.

 

[needlejuice]

yall are crazy i would never shoot water. i dont get how people say they get addicted to the needle in that sense. the only reason i ever got into using needles and continued using them is for better effects. sure i could take my subutex normally but i choose to bang so i can get more of a high. it has nothing to do with the needle for me. i actually dread the needle, i just have to use it. even on heroin i knew i would get the desired high from shooting but i just hated having no other option to use the drug to equal efficiency. another reason shooting up sucks is because it is wayyyyy less socially acceptable tha say snorting heroin.

 

[Znegative]

I dont know, some people don't have that issue. I heard that shooting water can be helpfull because it helps to break your association of feeling good to that of getting a shot. For alot of people I've talked to, it's really the ritual of prepping your works that becomes the most addictive part, watching that blood shoot up the barrell... I don't know, I'm also diagnosed with OCD so maybe that's part of the problem, but from what I hear, it's a normal reaction.

 

[needlejuice]

yea its weird even tho ive been using needles for years i still hate them, i never thought id use them.

im one of those people that if u knew me you would bet money that im not/wont turn into a junky. i thought i wouldnt go down this road but now im 2 years deep into suboxone treatment and am on a drug site with a fuckn username needlejuice. hah

ive been thinking lately about bluelight and wondering if it more healthy for people to have access t this information or unhealthy in the sense that it gives u ideas. for instance i wouldve probaly never shot my bupe if i hadnt come on bluelight and read capt heorins post about how he gets high every dose. i mean maybe u shouldnt respond to every persons post saying i dont know about u but i get a rush. because for awhile i hated shooting my bupe and the only times i would force myself into it was when i read others positive experiences. sure it works but now ive been shooting bupe daily for 6 months and im sure its bad for my health. i can see why yall have rules for talking about certain things

 

[Znegative]

yeah, i often wonder about that myself. Then again, I can't blame Captain Heroin or anyone else, because it was me that entered "can you shoot suboxone" into the google search engine...

I'm also a person that I'm sure none of my friends or family would have thought I would turn junky, and I'm guessing a lot of people on here are probably not street junkies, seeing as we're all using computers, (BTW, I find that's pretty much the only difference, having a computer. I've met a lot of great guys that are down and out on the street). I think that ultimately it is good to have this information. a couple years ago, the only way i knew how to find out if something was safe or not, was to do it, and hope that I would live. Now I can come here and ask questions.

As for shooting bupe, I know for me, it's not a healthy practice, and it doesn't fall into my defination of what my recovery should be. I think if you're using a micron filter, it's a very different story, but shooting corn starch is probably less healthy than shooting heroin. However, at the moment, I'm not so much worried about whether I'm really clean, but more so on how to manipulate my addiction so that I can still afford to have a home, and a relatively normal life.

 

[oliphill]

SO yesterday I tried Subutex for the first time. At 9pm Friday night I had my last dose of heroin. Then on Saturday about 10am I took 2mg Subutex sublingulary and 1mg snorted. After about 10 minutes I suddenly felt worse, had to rush to the toilet for the shits and was sick. It wasn't that bad though. I guess it was mild prec w/d, Anyway after a while I still felt shitty. 4 hours later (about 4pm I I'V'd 1mg and felt good-ish. Then again 1mg iv'd at 8pm. I then slept well, but sweated heavily through the night.

Anyway I decided I wasn't gonna carry on with it and bought some heroin at about 11am. I wasn't in W/d so I presumed it wouldn't work. Anyway I iv'd 100mg or so and it worked fine.

So what I'm asking is:

either the gear I got today is really really stong?

or as it was my first day on subs the day before, not enough in my system to cause a blockade effect?

any opinions?

 

[oliphill]

ive been thinking lately about bluelight and wondering if it more healthy for people to have access t this information or unhealthy in the sense that it gives u ideas.

I believe in fate personally, so can't really blame any of it. Though I do know for a fact because of certain info i've found on various sites on the net, some massive massive changes to my life has occured as a result. Some good, some bad.

 

[Brose]

ive been on subs everyday for years. is there any physical danger throwing 20 or 30 mgs of hydrocodone on top of my daily 2mgs sub dose for a day? I dont expect to feel much in the way of the hydro, but im very curious as to what it would feel like for me. So im going to try it. As soon as enough people i trust reaffirm my belief that there is little to no physical danger in doing this. Especially once!

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^that shouldn't be dangerous at all... but since buprenorphine has a blockade effect (although its weak at 2mg) and your tolerance is high enough to require 2mg of bupe, you probably won't feel the hydrocodone at all.

 

[Brose]

ive been thinking lately about bluelight and wondering if it more healthy for people to have access t this information or unhealthy in the sense that it gives u ideas. for instance i wouldve probaly never shot my bupe if i hadnt come on bluelight and read capt heorins post about how he gets high every dose. i mean maybe u shouldnt respond to every persons post saying i dont know about u but i get a rush. because for awhile i hated shooting my bupe and the only times i would force myself into it was when i read others positive experiences. sure it works but now ive been shooting bupe daily for 6 months and im sure its bad for my health. i can see why yall have rules for talking about certain things

no way dude. not for me at least. the massive education i gain from coming to bluelight has been nothing but empowering. EMPOWERMENT THROUGH TRUTH, MY PEOPLE!!!

ive was lurking and learning here about what i was doing to my myself way back maybe 5 years ago? certainly before id ever even heard of subs. i was falling deeper and deeper into opiates. i even got so far as H and a needle about 4 years ago. that only lasted about 6 months, but thankfully!!!

when i was bad with H and xanax, I did od a few times. Scary shit, being told by your friends how they tried to revive you, strip you naked and throw you in a cold shower and smack away, and you have no recollection of it at all. Bit i believe having that knowledge of fatal dosages and never going too far to come back may have contributed to the fact that im still breathing today.

anyway, i learned about subs here on BL and found a great doctor close to me. Ive been with him ever since. no releaspes. heroin is history. and it feels good.

the benzos were always there for me through all of this; since age 18 and im 31 now!

what im saying is the information ive learned here has been a contributing factor to the fact that im still breathing, all these years later. education and information kept me alive. thats exactly what this site is. so we use this information and hopefully most of us will use it responsibly.

2-3 years of bupe maintenance has really gotten me my life back. bupe continues to be a subject i research here on BL. And yes i read mad posts about people who iv their subs and its ok. does it give me an idea? for about 3 seconds tops. im just not interested right now. for me its been nothing but positive.

How can the damn truth be more harmful when the alternative is not having this resource to turn to to ask questions and get some STRAIGHT ANSWERS!

 

[raznaruk138]

Well I started on suboxone on saturday, first off a thankyou to everyone who posted their experiences with this stuff, especially those who said 'take lowest dose possible' and taper off as fast as possible,thankyou,i plan to be on this ish no more than 8 days. I started taking this vile drug last night and if not for that advise it probably would have been even worse, dont know about you, i HATE, suboxone,for me it feels like about the dirtiest drug ever invented one of the worst parts is that vile horrid orange flavor and odor that reminds me of childrens medicine or piss warm orange gatorade and seems to just stick to everything, (how do ppl snort this ish lool) i just stuck it under my tounge and all i can smell or taste is that vile orange flavor. (no wonder its so available on the street).
With that being said I do have to give it some credit for pretty much eliminating withdrawl to a large degree, honestly my plan is to taper off as quickly as possible, maybe use kratom for a week to stay somewhat ok, and take it from there, probably going to end up back on OC again, just at a lower level and avoid heroin alltogether, i had managed taking oc for almost 10 years with no problems really, it was heroin that started sucking all my money up. and if i gotta maintain on something, id far rather it be oc than suboxone, i just cant imagine being on this crap any longer than i absolutely have to be.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

people are doing this like crazy in my town right now, everytime i try to tell someone its not a good idea they get defensive and treat me like a retard cause "it works real good man" and thats normally the point where they start begging me for a couple "freebies" outta my script. Sorry this has nothing to do with bupe, ive been wanting to vent about this on here but couldnt justify a new thread

No problem, I completely agree with you. I would never share Adderall with someone who would just IV it, what a waste. Meth is worth shooting (if you're going to use it in the first place) but Adderall is not worth shooting.

I'm pretty sure adderall is a prodrug which means it becomes active in your gut or something (I could be wrong here)

Actually, Adderall is made up of four amphetamine salts, half of which are racemic, and the other half dextroamphetamine. I believe that it is active in itself, and is not a pro drug.

A pro drug means it is metabolized into another drug upon crossing the BBB or while in the body. Heroin is an example of this, it turns into morphine, but the diacetyl group helps heroin cross quicker through the BBB, for example. In this sense, this pro drug (heroin) is worth shooting.

I find that how offten I dose depends on how much I've dosed previously. If I do a .5 mg shot in the morning, it can hold me no problem untill about 8 pm, and then I start feeling uncomfortable. If I do .3 or less, I usually end up redosing in 4 hours. I would love to get to a point where I could wait 24 hours in between shots, as I feel I would probably get an even better effect from my bupe, but right now, I'm just focusing on keeping my intake low, and I'm proud of myself for accomplishing that this week!

Same here, with 0.2mg and less, I typically go about 4 hours in between shots. Good job man! I'm about to start tapering lower too, congratulations on doing well.

ive been thinking lately about bluelight and wondering if it more healthy for people to have access t this information or unhealthy in the sense that it gives u ideas. for instance i wouldve probaly never shot my bupe if i hadnt come on bluelight and read capt heorins post about how he gets high every dose. i mean maybe u shouldnt respond to every persons post saying i dont know about u but i get a rush. because for awhile i hated shooting my bupe and the only times i would force myself into it was when i read others positive experiences. sure it works but now ive been shooting bupe daily for 6 months and im sure its bad for my health. i can see why yall have rules for talking about certain things

I think that if you contrast my experience to other people's, it'll speak for itself. I remember someone (Eight0Eight) who said that he never got a rush from IVing buprenorphine, though he still did it for a while (because it would kick in quicker). Due to a close call (you can find his posts on it - a needle broke off and came close to nicking the artery) he gave up IVing all together.

I do understand that Other Drugs can be triggering for some pepople, especially since other people have posted instructions on how to IV certain pills (like full agonist opiates, ambien, adderall, etc) or other drugs like Concerta, etc. This can be problematic for some people. However, I think it comes down to the idea that people will still try to do these things anyways, with or without proper information.

Not everyone would even think to look online to see what's up with IVing a certain pill before trying it, and people have suffered for not researching. Overall I think the gains outweigh the losses in this respect.

This is also why we promote micron filtering. When people ask if IVing Suboxone is worth it, I often ask them what their opiate tolerance is, and how much buprenorphine they are using with what ROA (some people stick to sublingual, others snort it) - for people with a high opiate tolerance, I recommend they taper down first, because there aren't a whole lot of good effects with a high dose/a high opiate tolerance. I didn't always get positive effects from IV buprenorphine, mostly in the first few months I was using it.

yeah, i often wonder about that myself. Then again, I can't blame Captain Heroin or anyone else, because it was me that entered "can you shoot suboxone" into the google search engine...

I'm also a person that I'm sure none of my friends or family would have thought I would turn junky, and I'm guessing a lot of people on here are probably not street junkies, seeing as we're all using computers, (BTW, I find that's pretty much the only difference, having a computer. I've met a lot of great guys that are down and out on the street). I think that ultimately it is good to have this information. a couple years ago, the only way i knew how to find out if something was safe or not, was to do it, and hope that I would live. Now I can come here and ask questions.

As for shooting bupe, I know for me, it's not a healthy practice, and it doesn't fall into my defination of what my recovery should be. I think if you're using a micron filter, it's a very different story, but shooting corn starch is probably less healthy than shooting heroin. However, at the moment, I'm not so much worried about whether I'm really clean, but more so on how to manipulate my addiction so that I can still afford to have a home, and a relatively normal life.

Well this is a good question; some heroin might have "safe" cuts in it, but not everyone's "heroin" is going to have cuts that are OK for IVing. In this aspect, I couldn't really say if shooting corn starch is any more dangerous than shooting heroin.

I am not going to say that shooting corn starch is a good thing, I am sure that it's not good for your body at all. However, I am not physically afflicted from having done this, and now since I micron filter, I would have expected to notice some difference. I really don't, I work out regularly, and can probably run just as well as I always have in life.

For myself, IVing Suboxone was the only way to avoid relapsing on heroin. I kept relapsing, because I only used 2mg in the morning, and didn't want to use any more throughout the day, and sometimes got heroin instead of avoiding it. The point of Suboxone for me was to avoid staying on heroin, which would have eventually ruined my life. I avoided that and have bulit my way back up to being a successful individual, bit by bit, though it is still a struggle for me in a lot of different ways.

Like you, Znegative, I also google'd whether or not I could shoot Suboxone, and that is how I found Bluelight. I joined within days/weeks, and started asking questions since the answer was not clear. Eventually I was of the mindset that it would be better to post how to shoot Suboxone, and that it isn't going to send you into precipitated withdrawal (as long as you are just using Suboxone and not full agonists) instead of letting people continue the rumor started by the makers of Suboxone in order to gain a lower classification for the drug.

SO yesterday I tried Subutex for the first time. At 9pm Friday night I had my last dose of heroin. Then on Saturday about 10am I took 2mg Subutex sublingulary and 1mg snorted. After about 10 minutes I suddenly felt worse, had to rush to the toilet for the shits and was sick. It wasn't that bad though. I guess it was mild prec w/d, Anyway after a while I still felt shitty. 4 hours later (about 4pm I I'V'd 1mg and felt good-ish. Then again 1mg iv'd at 8pm. I then slept well, but sweated heavily through the night.

Anyway I decided I wasn't gonna carry on with it and bought some heroin at about 11am. I wasn't in W/d so I presumed it wouldn't work. Anyway I iv'd 100mg or so and it worked fine.

So what I'm asking is:

either the gear I got today is really really stong?

or as it was my first day on subs the day before, not enough in my system to cause a blockade effect?

any opinions?

Probably both, it could be average dope and not enough buprenorphine to be a blockade effect, or just extra good dope.

I believe in fate personally, so can't really blame any of it. Though I do know for a fact because of certain info i've found on various sites on the net, some massive massive changes to my life has occured as a result. Some good, some bad.

I really hate to "believe in fate" to some degree, but I am finding more and more, that I do. Life is more predictable as you get older. I wish I was wrong.

ive been on subs everyday for years. is there any physical danger throwing 20 or 30 mgs of hydrocodone on top of my daily 2mgs sub dose for a day? I dont expect to feel much in the way of the hydro, but im very curious as to what it would feel like for me. So im going to try it. As soon as enough people i trust reaffirm my belief that there is little to no physical danger in doing this. Especially once!

I think you'll be OK, just don't use more Suboxone until you're coming off of the hydrocodone.

 

[Znegative]

Yeah, I wish I could just get prescribed buprenex, or at least find a place to get micron filters for free. It is kind of weird, but shooting suboxone makes it like, 100 times easier to stay off heroin, and most other drugs in general for me. It may not be conventional, but it is maintenance, and it's the only way it seems to work for me.

 

[axl86]

Short term bupe use for fast detox

Ok so long story short, I want to get off heroin. Well, at least for now. I have 3 1/2 8mg subutex left from my script. Do you guys think If I take 1 a day for 3 days and then 1/2 on day 4 that when it wears off I will be withdrawl free, or at least in very minimal discomfort? I really dont feel like going back and getting more. I dont have insurance at the moment and its costing me too much.

 

[coopie]

Were you prescribed subutex from a doctor who intended it to be a detox plan? or are you on for maintenance and trying your own plan to tape?

I just got of subutex in roughly 2 weeks with minimal WD symptoms and they had me on 8mg then 4mg then 2mg - for 3 days each (well 4 days on 2mg). That was my experience and it wasn't too bad.

Good luck tho!