Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[jamesBrown]

I took Suboxone so i didnt have to deal with the heroin withdrawl i had minor withdrawls that probably only wouldve lasted four days and this is the third night i have been on suboxen, only taken 9mg and have 7 left. I took 2mg around 1pm this morning and 1mg a few hours ago. Will taking all 16 make me have suboxone withdrawls? Should I stop and not take anymore tommorow?

Ok, you say that since you started suboxone, you have only taken 9mg's total and you have 7 left....what does the seven mean?....does it mean you have seven pills left, or does it mean you have 7mg's left....you didnt make that very clear. It makes a big difference in this situation.
Also, im not sure exactly what your takling about here....why would you expect to get withdrawals from taking suboxone. The only way you go into withdrawals from suboxone is when you go through PW's....or, I guess theoretically, if you were on the subooxne long enough, and at those really high doses you were taking, you could also get withdrawals from stopping the subs abruptly. Im not sure exactly what you meant by that question as you didnt clarify what kind of withdrawals you were talking about.
But, if you were talking about PW's, then you have nothing to worry about because you allready have suboxone in you system and therefore, more than liely havent taken any opiates as a result..
But, if your talking about withdrawing from the suboxone itself, it is definitely posible but you probably wont have much WD's if your only on the subs for a short period of time like you described(I think).
Allthough, only get off the sub if you are 100% sure you can live a sober life without temptation because of a maintanence medication...alot of people relapse after they do a quick taper plan. So, alot of people stay on the suboxone for extended periods of time to help them adjust to being sober before they jump off the subs.

 

[kanyeknievel]

Ok, you say that since you started suboxone, you have only taken 9mg's total and you have 7 left....what does the seven mean?....does it mean you have seven pills left, or does it mean you have 7mg's left....you didnt make that very clear. It makes a big difference in this situation.
Also, im not sure exactly what your takling about here....why would you expect to get withdrawals from taking suboxone. The only way you go into withdrawals from suboxone is when you go through PW's....or, I guess theoretically, if you were on the subooxne long enough, and at those really high doses you were taking, you could also get withdrawals from stopping the subs abruptly. Im not sure exactly what you meant by that question as you didnt clarify what kind of withdrawals you were talking about.
But, if you were talking about PW's, then you have nothing to worry about because you allready have suboxone in you system and therefore, more than liely havent taken any opiates as a result..
But, if your talking about withdrawing from the suboxone itself, it is definitely posible but you probably wont have much WD's if your only on the subs for a short period of time like you described(I think).
Allthough, only get off the sub if you are 100% sure you can live a sober life without temptation because of a maintanence medication...alot of people relapse after they do a quick taper plan. So, alot of people stay on the suboxone for extended periods of time to help them adjust to being sober before they jump off the subs.

Well I dont want to have a suboxen withdrawl and i've taken 9mg to deal with the heroin withdrawl, should i just give the 7mg to someone who needs it or something? I want to stay sober for a long while, especially opiates. I don't wanna do any and dont have any plans to for a long while. Need to be sober and correct my life. I just don't want withdrawls from Suboxone. So my question is, should I stop and not take anymore? And will I have a withdrawl stopping suboxone?

 

[jamesBrown]

You would probably have minimal withdrawal, but I wouldnt get rid of the excess bupe because it would make it even easier on you to simly take only like 0.3-0.5mg doses a day(maybe 1 or 2 times a day) and then you keep lowering it until you are barely taking anything, and then jump off. That shoul be much easier than just jumping off of subs right now.
But, sinc you have only taken a relatively small amount of suboxone in a short period of time, you may not have much WD's going cold turkey off the bupe. who knows? you gotta find out for yourself. But I reccommend you do that very low dose taper I told you about.

 

[kanyeknievel]

You would probably have minimal withdrawal, but I wouldnt get rid of the excess bupe because it would make it even easier on you to simly take only like 0.3-0.5mg doses a day(maybe 1 or 2 times a day) and then you keep lowering it until you are barely taking anything, and then jump off. That shoul be much easier than just jumping off of subs right now.
But, sinc you have only taken a relatively small amount of suboxone in a short period of time, you may not have much WD's going cold turkey off the bupe. who knows? you gotta find out for yourself. But I reccommend you do that very low dose taper I told you about.

Itll be really hard to take only .5 of a mg i would think? unless i crushed a 2mg n split it into 4 even doses. I dont really want the feeling anymore is the thing, its a type of high and i just wanna be clean and sober. What would be the first signs of withdrawl? If I do feel them, i will take very minimal amounts.

 

[pins&needles]

Alright peeps, 4 real, how hard are these fucking subs going to be to get off of and how long am I going to be miserable for?I know there are alot of variables involved. I have been on them for about a year now. How much easier would it be if I go down to like .05 or .25mg's opposed to 2 or 4mg's?

 

[SkagKush]

drastically easier.....

 

[adubwakka]

dont bother.....my inablity to read some posts has always been a result of the poster not being able to type correcty, form complete, understandable senences....It has nothing to do with my reading ablilities trust me.

Allthough, alot of poeple that are able to actually type out words and sentences that are understandable to read, still dont make sense sometimes....they just dont say things that are worded correclty so that I really dont know what they are talking about cuz there posts can be very poorly written.
If you want I can refer you to all those posts that have me telling someone I dont know what they are talking about and then you will understand that alot of people just dont know how to type and therefeore it is EXREMELY difficult to decipher there posts. I think that would be much easier and benefit is both alot more instead of you referring me to somone or something that can help my reading.
Yea, it would prove to you that these posts I was responding to were actually poorly written with no grammar whatsoever and consequently someone could give the wrong advice to the poster as a result.....that will show you that I can read quite well....instead of reffering me to a website or person or whatever to "help my reading"...its much better for you to be shown all those instance where I responded to a very unclear post, and maybe then you can stop treating me like I cant read. In fact, YOU do the research on your on, im not gonna waste time showing you all these peoples horribly written posts(alot of which admit that they cant type well at all) just to show you i can read.
I reccommend doing a search for my posts and then you will find the evidence there....good luck.

And also.......talking derogatory to someone as if they cant even fucking read is absolutely rediculous and rude. It really doesnt matter if you were sincere or not, its just plain disrespectfull. I have contributed ALOT more to this website and to all the people who use this website than you. Im not saying your retarded or cant read or anything(like you are apparently trying to tell me), im just saying that I have proven myself ove and over again that I am able to read perfectly fine. Probably better than you....especially because you failed to see thse posts I was talking about and how most of them had horrible grammar and basically posted a bunch of gibberish.

SO, dont ever question my ability to read again please. Thres no need for that anymore, especiall because I have just told you that I can read fine(and im serious when i say im better that you at reading most likely)

Heres a perfect example below me, the first post down.....that post is somewhat undersandable but he does not make it perectly clear reffering to his opiate use, how much suboxone he uses in each dose/day, and a few other very important questions that are needed to compeltely and properly answer his question(s)

Lol, wow.... you take yourself waaay too seriously.

Poorly written or not, 95% of the posts that you claim you cannot understand are easily deciphered using common sense and context clues. You just say it to be condescending. Also, I wouldn't quite say you have better reading or writing skills when the post I'm currently quoting is an abomination as far as the english language is concerned.

I could pull a James Brown and say " I'm not quite sure what you're saying in your post, but..." . I'm not going to do that though, because although your post has spelling errors and poorly formed sentences.. I'm still able to understand the point you are trying to get across.


Anyways, back on topic.

 

[SkagKush]

jesus boys.....

wait, whats going on? i cant read...... i dont understand.....


lol, neways, taking tonight off of snorting a lil 0.5mg bupe, gives me a headache.... ill wait till my 2mg SL tomo

 

[fistful_of_needles]

Hey James, I notice in most of your posts you tell the person it was hard to understand what they were saying. You seem to struggle alot with your reading comprehension and if you'd like some help with it just let me know, I have some very good online resources that help with comprehension. Don't take any offense to it, it was just something I happened to notice and thought I could help ya out. Just shoot me a PM if you want me to send you some of the online resources I give to my students.

hahahah , thanks for this man ; reading something like this over morning coffee is just ... fairly priceless ...

 

[SubDude]

All I can say is a person whose been banned several times at BL shouldn't be implying they are part of the BL "staff" like Admin, Moderators or Crew by referring to themselves a "WE here at BL". It misleads newbies to believe there is more credibility then the person deserves. I've only seen one BL'er do this besides those who are actually on the BL team.


Now... back on topic.

 

[Drifter74]

Itll be really hard to take only .5 of a mg i would think? unless i crushed a 2mg n split it into 4 even doses. I dont really want the feeling anymore is the thing, its a type of high and i just wanna be clean and sober. What would be the first signs of withdrawl? If I do feel them, i will take very minimal amounts.

For me, the first signs of withdrawal is anxiety and sweating, esp. in the morning. (waking up sweating)

I can't stress this enough:

SUBOXONE IS EXTREMELY POTENT. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE IT.

Meaning, if you're feeling sick it only takes a TINY, TINY little bit to make things all better.

I insufflate my Suboxone and when I'm feeling sick the desire to sniff a big ole' line is VERY overwhelming. However if I control myself and only take a tiny little bit and wait 20 minutes the desire to take more is GONE. And after one hour I am 100% fine.

Another thing that I want to repeat is my opinion regarding the over prescribing of Suboxone.

I personally think that anything over 24 mg's is a total scam/waste however I do think the higher doses (8-16) have their place. 24 mg's MIGHT have its place in the beginning of treatment, but that's about it.

At higher doses not only does it act as a deterrent because it makes it a major PIA to use anything if you wanted to, but it really does curb the cravings to use.

At doses like .5-1 or less, I still want to use. Whether it be Sub or my DOC.

When I was taking the larger doses I didn't even want to use, nor did I even miss it. I now use Suboxone as a tool. I think of it as a get out of jail free card. I can use anything I want, whenever I want and never have to worry about getting sick. I don't care about being "clean" and this point. I use it to help with my ADD and chronic shoulder/wrist pain, and it works a treat!

When I first starting taking Suboxone I had a HUGE benzo habit. I'm talking 6-8 mgs of Xanax per day, 40-60 mgs of Valium @ night, along with lots of Klonopin, Nitrazepam, Bromazapam, etc. on the weekends. Now I'm taking 1-2 mgs of Xanax and 1/2 mg of Klonopin OCCASIONALLY. IMO benzos are way worse than opiates and I'm VERY happy to have been able to get my benzo intake so low.

I have a feeling that you aren't going to see many Dr's prescribing anything over 24 mgs in the near future. I also believe they are really going to be cracking down on regular sub licensed Dr's prescribing Suboxone. I recently talked to a neutral person who claims that the FDA is really trying to make it so that only licensed psychiatrists will be allowed to prescribe Suboxone. That's really going to screw with people in the USA because mental health coverage is sketchy at best, even with great health insurance. (unless you're on government assistance -- people on welfare/SSI are able to get help much easier than someone with great health insurance here.) Also most health insurance companies require that you see a counselor in conjunction with a shrink otherwise they don't let you see the shrink.

Just my opinion based on my experiences...

MODS -- Can someone please add insufflate to the BL dictionary? It IS a word.

 

[homeydontplaythat]

dr's are catching on. my old dr was pretty cutting edge and an awesome dude. he would piss test you with expanded panels that included bupe to see if you were actually taking it and how much (testing ng levels). he agreed that there is no reason to take more than 4mg for maintenance. i agree that for induction 8-16mg is helpful if not necessary.

and yes the DEA is fucking with dr's. that is why they dont like to prescribe subutex. they may tell you its because they think youll abuse it but most are realizing that the naloxone in subs is just moot. its the dea that is visiting offices to see who they can crack. i mean these drs are the source of all the bupe that hits the street so they treat them like drug dealers.

 

[amanitadine]

All I can say is a person whose been banned several times at BL shouldn't be implying they are part of the BL "staff" like Admin, Moderators or Crew by referring to themselves a "WE here at BL". It misleads newbies to believe there is more credibility then the person deserves. I've only seen one BL'er do this besides those who are actually on the BL team.


Now... back on topic.

Agreed. Especially when they bombard threads with countless posts a day, repeatedly derail this thread with personal conflicts, make a lot of unsubstantiated claims, and give newbies false and misleading information. Personally, I'd like to see this thread back to how it was 3-4 months ago. Feels like a Denial-of-Service attack has been going on all this summer!

 

[Drifter74]

and yes the DEA is fucking with dr's. that is why they dont like to prescribe subutex. they may tell you its because they think youll abuse it but most are realizing that the naloxone in subs is just moot. its the dea that is visiting offices to see who they can crack. i mean these drs are the source of all the bupe that hits the street so they treat them like drug dealers.

My Sub Dr. (I should say EX sub Dr - I just fired him last week) told me straight up that DEA agents visit him randomly and compare his records against theirs.

He said they ALWAYS give him a hard time.

He is an "ADDICTION SPECIALIST" however he told me that Klonopin is completely non-addictive.

Derrr.....

 

[BanginMyLifeAway]

i been takin subs for a few weeks again i started with a 4mg then 2mg ,,,i got 6 mg left
i been takin them the way intended but i see people sayin they snort it does that work better or what

 

[dokomo]

Just want to remind everyone again, please keep it on topic and please don't engage in arguments and insults.

Thanks

 

[dokomo]

MODS -- Can someone please add insufflate to the BL dictionary? It IS a word.

Thanks for pointing that out! I'll look into it

 

[Bubblebobble]

Well, this is day three of 3mg/daily. I just took my morning dose (1mg). So far I haven't experienced any symptoms. From my previous experiences, I usually don't feel reduction symptoms until day three. And they last through day five or six. I'm hoping I wont have a hard time sleep tonight, as sleep is the most important thing for me...

JamesBrown, do you know if you are gonna PM, email, or just post on this thread in response to my inquiry? Thanks again JB.

 

[SkagKush]

you guys really should bugger off, this is a discussion. JB adds more than any of you, and most of us and the "staff" agrees with what he says...... i know i do......

and we are here at BL! and we here at BL dont like morons.....

The best way to stop off-topic arguments and name calling is to ignore it, not engage in it yourself.

 

[jamesBrown]

Well, this is day three of 3mg/daily. I just took my morning dose (1mg). So far I haven't experienced any symptoms. From my previous experiences, I usually don't feel reduction symptoms until day three. And they last through day five or six. I'm hoping I wont have a hard time sleep tonight, as sleep is the most important thing for me...

JamesBrown, do you know if you are gonna PM, email, or just post on this thread in response to my inquiry? Thanks again JB.

Im SOOOOOOO sorry that I havent responded to your post sooner. I swear on my grandmothers grave that I would have responded to it the moment I saw it, its just for the past week or so I have had MAJOR back problems.
Like, I mean, I couldnt even sit down, lie down, and stranding up hurt....I literally was crying like a baby becauase the pain was like an 18 on a scale of 1-10. No joke.....I thought about suicide contstantly(because of the pain and nothibng else).
I went to a chiropractor and he tried to help me but he told me that I needed to go to the ER immediately because I shouldnt be in this much pain.....and I went to the ER crying like a baby still, and they gave me IV Ativan which barely did anythign at all. And then they forced me to lie down for a CAT scan. And the doctor told me that the CAT scan showed that I had been so constipated(I had gotten realllllly constipated the past few months from using suboxone and I would only shit once a week) and it had gotten to the point where shit was actually backed up into my lower intestines, and supposedly fully formed crap should not be there, and it caused my intestines to tear and stretch and put pressure on my spinal column and nerves. I can even describe to you the pain I went through.
They put me on ALOT of serious laxatives and stool softeners, etc, etc....because they said there was a block of shit the size of a softball in my intestines waiting to come out....probably bigger. And I swear im not even kidding. Anyway, im still in horrible pain so its really hard for me to spend anytime on the internet, because practically every position my body is in, im in excruciating pain.....and I got no opiates cuz im an ex addict. They didnt wanna risk it. bullshit. So, as a warning to all you suboxoe users out there, if you are having severe constipation please get it checked out sooner than later because I literally felt ZERO pain or discomfort all those months the crap was bulding up in my system, and then all of a sudden, WHAMMO!!!....worst pain of your life.....they say if the medications they gave me dont take care of it that the will have to operate to remove the huge mass of shit....I know isnt that disgusting? The doctor literally told me that it was the biggest "shit ball/mass" that he had ever seen in his career as a doctor. He looked scared, so you can imagine how scared I felt.

Anyway.....i will answer your post as soon as I can....probably be done sometime tonight.
Once again, sry for the wait.