Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[polio vaccine]

cee hawkins, maybe the problem is just dose. i mean, when i would kick dope i'd take at least 8mg my first go... 2mg is pretty low if you have a big tolerance.

 

[Cee Hawkins]

Hey DG I appreciate your advice. The pressing question is does anyone think that a generouse dose of oxymorphone insufflated will punch through the 22 mg. Of Sub I ingested yesterday, being the first and only time I had used the Sub. By the time I take the oxymorphone tonight it will be 24 hours from my last sub dose. I'm still feeling quite a bit of withdrawal through that sub having come from a pretty big opana habit. The fact that I'm still feeling sick doesn't that mean that there are some empty receptors somewhere? I'm not realy looking to get messed up just get close to normal. I have an important dinner meeting and a guest staying at my house tonight and tomorrow and it's hard for me to talk shop and hide the sickness. anythoigjts would be helpful.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey DG I appreciate your advice. The pressing question is does anyone think that a generouse dose of oxymorphone insufflated will punch through the 22 mg. Of Sub I ingested yesterday, being the first and only time I had used the Sub. By the time I take the oxymorphone tonight it will be 24 hours from my last sub dose. I'm still feeling quite a bit of withdrawal through that sub having come from a pretty big opana habit. The fact that I'm still feeling sick doesn't that mean that there are some empty receptors somewhere? I'm not realy looking to get messed up just get close to normal. I have an important dinner meeting and a guest staying at my house tonight and tomorrow and it's hard for me to talk shop and hide the sickness. anythoigjts would be helpful.

No, it won't. 22mg of buprenorphine would last me about 5-6 weeks. Taking it in one day is going to clog up all your mu-opioid receptors.

Got to wait to get high, sorry man.

 

[Cee Hawkins]

I dont get suboxone then. If it only helps take the edge off a little it then why even use it? Seriously, for what the Bupe has actually done for my withdrawals I consider it next to useless. Thats just me though. I know from reading these forums that it has helped others immensely. It has seriously done next to nothing for me and thats at 22mg.

I guess I just don't see the point of taking the Bupe, having it only help a little while it is still loading my receptors and delaying the whole process. Knowing this now, I wish I would have stayed on the opana a few more days and stayed well enough to tend to my lifes responsibilities and then just went cold turkey. Atleast that way I'd feel crappy for about 10 days and then slowly start to feel better. It seems like this suboxone thing is just a pipe dream for someone like me. If i'm going to keep taking opiates I guess I'd prefer to take one that keeps me feeling okay. I am truly not trying to get high, just avoid having my client ask me why I dont eat, why I look like shit, and why I'm sweating profusely 24/7.

I'm going to atleast try the opana tonight @ the 24hr. mark and then also for the next couple days till my client leaves town. Is there any danger of an OD with the 22mg. of Bupe in my system from 24 hours ago and then trying to add oxymorphone tonight?

 

[elevator]

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[Cee Hawkins]

One last thing, and I'm sorry guys, I really feel like I'm comming off like a winey long winded pest here- But given the info I've provided can anyone tell me about why it would be beneficial for me to use the bupe? Also If I was to use it id really only want to use it for like 7 days and then go cold turkey. I expect to suffer, I do. But can I take the Bupe for a week and then go cold turkey and expect an easier withdrawal?

 

[JahRed24x]

I think some people just need to realize that when they take the 1st dose of Sub that they are in the process of QUITTING OPIATES.. Also after the first 2 or 3 days of being on sub you will stabilize and start to feel fine. Remember when your on suboxone your not supposed to feel "Good" as in the sense you did while on full opiates... Being on suboxone should make u just feel Normal, like you did b4 ever trying an opiate..

 

[elevator]

I've noticed that after I have stabilized, I do get a pleasurable and noticeable feeling of the suboxone taking effect. It's not anywhere near as noticable as methadone, but sometimes, not everytime, I get a warm euphoric buzz that's quite enjoyable.
When I used to be opiate naive, I sniffed a line of suboxone with some friends and got wrecked.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I dont get suboxone then. If it only helps take the edge off a little it then why even use it? Seriously, for what the Bupe has actually done for my withdrawals I consider it next to useless. Thats just me though. I know from reading these forums that it has helped others immensely. It has seriously done next to nothing for me and thats at 22mg.

How long have you used it for?

It's not perfect; it only reduces the degree of withdrawal so that you can be functional.

Then after a few weeks of being on it you can taper off pretty easily.

Would you really rather enjoy regular opiate WD's and skip taking Suboxone all together?

Oxymorphone is a very potent opiate. If you snort several 40mg pills a day, that's a pretty high opiate tolerance, comparable to a heroin habit if not worse (I haven't ever used oxymorphone so I couldn't really say).

I guess I just don't see the point of taking the Bupe, having it only help a little while it is still loading my receptors and delaying the whole process. Knowing this now, I wish I would have stayed on the opana a few more days and stayed well enough to tend to my lifes responsibilities and then just went cold turkey. Atleast that way I'd feel crappy for about 10 days and then slowly start to feel better. It seems like this suboxone thing is just a pipe dream for someone like me. If i'm going to keep taking opiates I guess I'd prefer to take one that keeps me feeling okay. I am truly not trying to get high, just avoid having my client ask me why I dont eat, why I look like shit, and why I'm sweating profusely 24/7.

On Suboxone, you're still going to experience regular opiate WD. Except it's a lot more bearable. After the first few days you'll feel better.

I'm going to atleast try the opana tonight @ the 24hr. mark and then also for the next couple days till my client leaves town. Is there any danger of an OD with the 22mg. of Bupe in my system from 24 hours ago and then trying to add oxymorphone tonight?

If you are like "fuck this isn't making me high" and then you take tons and tons of oxymorphone, you could possibly OD.

Taking your regular dose 24 hours after your buprenorphine dose could work even if it's somewhat less than normal.

I just can't tell you some people need to wait at least 2 days if not longer, others don't.

If you want to truly lower your tolerance you'll need to stay on Suboxone for a few months. After the initial intake of Suboxone, within days I felt better. I've now returned to an original opiate tolerance (where I can get high on < 20mg oxycodone for example) and I'm still on Suboxone so I haven't had to go through any full acute WD yet.

It's really up to you if you want to use a full agonist instead of a partial one.

One last thing, and I'm sorry guys, I really feel like I'm comming off like a winey long winded pest here- But given the info I've provided can anyone tell me about why it would be beneficial for me to use the bupe? Also If I was to use it id really only want to use it for like 7 days and then go cold turkey. I expect to suffer, I do. But can I take the Bupe for a week and then go cold turkey and expect an easier withdrawal?

In a month you can have a lower oxymorphone tolerance.

This can give you time to stock up on an opiate of your choice or $ for it. If you get it RX'd then really the only reason to go on Suboxone is to stay away from a scary degree of dependency, and to get to a lower tolerance.

Yeah you can take buprenorphine for 7 days, reducing 4mg or so a day like this:

day 1 - 22mg
day 2 - 18mg
day 3 - 14mg
day 4 - 10mg
day 5 - 6mg
day 6 - 2mg
day 7 - 1mg

and then jump off from there you should feel a lot better than anything I would say. The first week of Suboxone helps you get off oxymorphone easily, and kicking buprenorphine at that point will still be hard but MUCH easier than regular acute opiate WD IMO.

I haven't fully gotten off of Suboxone, but that is most people's experiences. Other people have found it hard to quit full agonists or Suboxone.

 

[MaddTime]

Breaking through 12mg of buprenorphine will be near impossible, I would definitely taper down on buprenorphine before trying to get high again.

Okay, But say I do somehow manage to break through by not taking it for a while, regardless of that, if I do get another opiate to work while on suboxone will I be thrown into Precipitated WDs when I take my next sub dose, or will I be okay?

I've been thinking about it and the main reason you get P W/Ds is because the bupe kicks the opiates already in your receptors out and isn't strong enough by itself but if bupe is the main opiate already in your receptors and you use another opiate to fill in the remaining receptors, I don't think that it would cause P WDs... For people who have broken through... were you okay when you took your next bupe dose?

 

[SmellyJaguar]

so just thought i would throw this in there im not a bupe user but last night my car broke down and i had no way to get to my dealer. i was givin about 20 of those little orange things with the sword on the other side i guess u all call it bupe. i took one 8mg under my tounge as i was told to do. now it made me feel better and i was able to sleep. no one told me that i wouldent be able to do dope for at least 36 hours! i couldent balive it. the dealer showed up the next day i got a few balloons as we call them here it had been 12 hours or so scince i had taken any bupe. after reading this redicules thred about this shit i decided to wait another 6 hours befor doing any of it. my normal dose was a might weak so i bumped up a little more to get to where i wanted to be witch worked fine. so know this if u take 8mg of the stuff to get unsick know u cant do dope for a while. but on the bright side after i woke the morning after taking the bupe i had no desire to do dope that is what made the extera 6 hours possable. after that 6 hours i was withdrawling so i figured it was out of my system.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Okay, But say I do somehow manage to break through by not taking it for a while, regardless of that, if I do get another opiate to work while on suboxone will I be thrown into Precipitated WDs when I take my next sub dose, or will I be okay?

That depends on when you take Suboxone again, and what opiate you used to break through with.

There's a chance you will experience precipitated WD if you don't get to regular withdrawal symptoms first.

I've been thinking about it and the main reason you get P W/Ds is because the bupe kicks the opiates already in your receptors out and isn't strong enough by itself but if bupe is the main opiate already in your receptors and you use another opiate to fill in the remaining receptors, I don't think that it would cause P WDs... For people who have broken through... were you okay when you took your next bupe dose?

I was, but this may not reflect all people's experiences.

so just thought i would throw this in there im not a bupe user but last night my car broke down and i had no way to get to my dealer. i was givin about 20 of those little orange things with the sword on the other side i guess u all call it bupe. i took one 8mg under my tounge as i was told to do. now it made me feel better and i was able to sleep. no one told me that i wouldent be able to do dope for at least 36 hours! i couldent balive it. the dealer showed up the next day i got a few balloons as we call them here it had been 12 hours or so scince i had taken any bupe. after reading this redicules thred about this shit i decided to wait another 6 hours befor doing any of it. my normal dose was a might weak so i bumped up a little more to get to where i wanted to be witch worked fine. so know this if u take 8mg of the stuff to get unsick know u cant do dope for a while. but on the bright side after i woke the morning after taking the bupe i had no desire to do dope that is what made the extera 6 hours possable. after that 6 hours i was withdrawling so i figured it was out of my system.

8mg is way too much to use. You should have tried 2mg, so you don't have to wait 36 hours. But then again it's not about "being able to do the opiate" it's about "getting your high off the opiate".

You can take Suboxone, and then once you feel Suboxone taking full effect, you can take another opiate on top of that. It's not going to be like you are taking the opiate by itself though, this is why we recommend you wait 1 to 2 days so that you can actually get decently high off of your opiates.

Not everyone has a lot of money to waste on a large dose of an opiate.

 

[SmellyJaguar]

kickin H with suboxone

sooooo i just did the last shot of h i ever wanna do. now i have 5 8mg suboxone. this is all i can and will get. what would be the best way of spacing the bupe out.


ive read alot on the forums about it. but i think i need to get the most out of what i have. i have a mild habbit 3 shots a day about .3 per dose. now i can shoot the suboxone sooooo my question to u is how much per shot and how offten is it needed. i dont want to get high off it just not be sick and ween myself to the point where the sickness is not that bad. i know i will eventually be mildly sick but i hope the suboxone can at least help with the withdrawls.

also i would like to point out that suboxone cant be administered till im actually in withdrawl so im going to wait till tomarrow morning to start all this.


on a side note i would like to hear from any one who has kicked using suboxone during a short time period. dose it dettin the withdrawl from h enough to make it woth even doing. anyone who has some experience in this field i would love to hear your 2 cents thx in advance.

 

[H-BOY]

If you don't care about getting high why must you shoot it?

I'm on day 4 of w/d after rapid suboxone kick I just kinda eyed my dose down with 2 8mgs. I would never stay on long-term as I don't really like how they feel but I find them indespensible in bridging the gap between unbearable sickness and just kinda feeling like shit.

Good luck and stay strong 'cause it won't be easy.

 

[SmellyJaguar]

i thought shooting it makes it stronger well not stronger but more of it gets in you if that makes sence so i can do like 1 mg rather then 4

 

[OnlyAshRemains]

i thought shooting it makes it stronger well not stronger but more of it gets in you if that makes sence so i can do like 1 mg rather then 4

I think the point H-Boy is making (and even by your own logic of higher BA) is that shooting isn't a good way to taper off anything.

But I've never messed with needles, so I'm no expert.

 

[H-BOY]

I would say that 5 8mg subs is more than enough to taper down taken subligually.

IVing does have a higher bioavailability but I think I would make your taper harder in the end as well as put you at more risk. I know the temptation though and personally when I have caved and shot them I never found it worthwhile.

Like I said I'm pretty sloppy with my tapers so I'd not be one to make a schedule for you but you may be suprised how well 1mg one or tw times a day s/l or even snorted after a kinda shitty day or three.

 

[Oxymorphone]

If you are only planning to use bupe to taper just skip it and deal with 3-4 days of heroin withdrawal. you have to wait at least 24 hours anyway while you're already in withdrawal so just get some benzos, clonidine, and weed and stick out the rest.

The bupe is just going to make the process more difficult and longer, I don't think anyone should start bupe unless they are planning on going on maintenance.

 

[tarStar]

If you're trying to quit, what's the point in shooting your suboxone? Sounds like you don't even want to stop shooting dope...You just wanna take a break. Am I wrong?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If you're trying to quit, what's the point in shooting your suboxone? Sounds like you don't even want to stop shooting dope...You just wanna take a break. Am I wrong?

The effect is instant, it's a nice effect if you have a low opiate tolerance.

Not everyone shoots dope and even snorting dope is more addictive than IV buprenorphine is to me personally.

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