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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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I've only vomited once when I was really young and stupid, but I always take pepcid since and I'm pretty wary. Seizures suck, I lost my last "real" job because of having them.

In other news I woke up today and my pupils are dilated as fuck so I guess I'm okay. <33333
 
I've only vomited once when I was really young and stupid, but I always take pepcid since and I'm pretty wary. Seizures suck, I lost my last "real" job because of having them.

In other news I woke up today and my pupils are dilated as fuck so I guess I'm okay. <33333

I think alot of your problems(maybe all of them) have to do with the fact your trying to quit benzos. Benzo withdrawal can be the worst withdrawal of all for lots of people, so no matter what drugs you take or dont take, while your experiencing any type of bezo withdrawal, EVERYTHING will probably feel worse.

*And holy crap youve only vomited once?!?!? That is very lucky...I dont care what anyone says.*
 
I haven't kept up with every v. of this megathread, but I've read quite a bit of it and I don't remember ever seeing these questions pop up. Here's my situation and questions:

I'm currently paying out of pocket for my subs (very expensive) but I'm getting married and going on my fiance's insurance in a couple weeks. Three questions I guess.

1. I know it depends on the plan, but does anyone know if they will cover my subs or exclude coverage of it since it's pre-existing? (Her plan definitely covers substance abuse/dependency issues but will they in my case?)

2. If I tell BCBS that I'm currently on suboxone, but get off the drug in the future, will I have a problem obtaining narcotic painkillers for legitimate issues, like a broken bone.

3. Will all Drs I go to from now on know that I've been on subs?

Any insight anyone could give me on this would be very greatly appreciated.

I think I can help you out a little bit on these.

1. When I switched, my insurance plan covered it. They did not cover my doctor however. I went through a long battle with the claims department and finally got them to not only approve my doc as an In-Network Physician, but also reimburse me for everything I had paid out of pocket since getting on my insurance (minus the co-pays).

2. BCBS will know you're on Suboxone if they're covering it. I'm not sure how long they'll retain this info, but I think in general they won't make a fuss if you go to a doc and are prescribed narcotics for a legitimate issue.

3. Doctors will know that you've been on Suboxone if your state has a prescription drug monitoring program, as stated before they might not check it, but pharmacies also have access. Certain entities do not have to report prescriptions to PDMP such as emergency rooms and hospice care centers. My state monitors all scheduled drug prescriptions (some states only do CII drugs) and the information is kept in the PDMP (again in my state) for around 12-months. At least that's what it says on their website.

I'm kind of in the same boat you are. I was recently diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. I'm currently on Suboxone, tapering off and my doctor (GP) knows I'm on Suboxone. He refuses to write me any scripts for controlled substances! No benzos or anything with any remote abuse potential. The PDMP is a bunch of bullshit honestly. People that are in pain have a right to be treated despite any past substance abuse problems. All this opio-phobia that doctors have needs to be gotten rid of.

Hope I was of some help, good luck!
 
^ Yeah that PDMP BS is what I was worried about. I've been Rx'd Kpins for a few years now, and my scripts gotten up to 2mg a day. I only take them a couple nights a week when I need help sleeping. Problem is when I switch insurance I'm going to have to switch Drs too, I'm worried as it is that the new doc won't be so understanding and keep Rxing me kpins, especially if they find out about the subs. Still not sure what to do. I'll see if Illinois has the PDMP and what their policies are. Thanks for your help.

And CH, I only get UAd once a month. I too have been on a quite a few hard drug binges between drs visits, just gotta make sure to stop/not do it about 3 days before my appt. =D

defective lise: I'm glad that it sounds like your feeling a bit better. It's crazy how shitty people can be, especially when you need them the most. You asked if you should keep smoking weed while going through this, I don't know your whole situation, and how often you smoked before this etc. But for me, smoking weed can sometimes push my anxiety levels through the roof for some reason, I know a lot of people that say the same. It never used to do that to me but it occasionally does now. Also, a possible light at the end of the tunnel for ya; my cousin was heavily addicted to xanax for years, worse than anyone I've ever known. She tapered off, went through hell doing it, but got off and has stayed off for a few years now. Since being off of em, she swears that her anxiety levels are even lower now than they were when she was taking benzos, she also hasn't had a panic attack since. I hope it all works out ok for ya. BL is a great place to come for advice, there's lot's of cool people here willing to help. :D
 
Hey guys I have a quick question. I just switched from suboxone to subutex and When I used it nasally I noticed a huge difference but I also made a saline/subutex solution nose spray. do you think the saline nose spray solution makes it less effective than just snorting a crushed up pill?
 
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Hey guys I have a quick question. I just switched from suboxone to subutex and When I used it nasally I noticed a huge difference but I also made a saline/subutex solution nose spray. do you think the saline solution makes it less effective than snorting it?

It should be just as effective, and probably safer (if you filtered it to remove some of the inactives).
 
hmm well i did find this. it talks alot about this patent on buprenorphine nasal sprays it says very little about saline. I suppose it could be Captain. I did put about ten subutex pills crushed up into a small saline spray bottle for when im on the go. I just wish their was more scientific evidence of the matter

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100041624
 
so i have been searching around on the site about lengths of time between taking methadone to suboxone.
and yes i know i know its been said a million times but unfortuately i couldn't find an answer pertaining to my situation so, very sorry to do this, but i have to ask.
i have been taking suboxone for about four weeks and yesterday i had a slip up and took maybe 30 mg. of liquid methadone around 10 pm. ok so its been 23 hrs and i am wondering about being cool on the suboxone. i have the hot and cold flashes but nothing extreme yet..
my question is that will it make any difference in how long i need to wait considering that i am on suboxone and i only took a little bit of methadone one time?
i am sorry for posting such a overasked question but i went looking all over this site (and beyond) looking for a specific answer and couldn't find one.
muchas gracias everyone
 
iN NEED OF HELP PLEASE

Just a little backround before i get into my questions. Im 23 live in las vegas and ive been using opiates for about 3 and a half years.the first year and a half was recreational. I started thinking I had a problem after that. The last year has been really bad. Taking 7-10 roxy 30mg a day, or pretty much anything i could get. or afford with the limitless $ i had... tabs,perc,oxy.
Well as most of us all know i believe, i got fed up. With the games the stressing on how i was getting for them ,paying for them,withdrawals, family issues, job issues, attitude issues,etc... This is my fourth time trying to stop. Two times on my own was clean for two months at a time, one trip to rehab, and now I'm trying the suboxone method. I am very very optimistic that i can succeed in my drug dependecy. My life has dimenished to the utmost . My life was so great before I got hooked on the pills.
The reason im on here is because I just started suboxone today, and ive read doctors are allowed to prescribe sub. very easily. By taking an eight hour course i guess. Im concerned because my doctor really didnt seem like he knew what he was doing at all. How much to give me a day, explaining to me how I need to take it, and just all the proper ways to successfully take suboxone. I DO NOT plan on abusing it in any way,shape or form. I want to take it exactly how im suppose too. So I show up at the doctor 24 hours off opiates. He told me 8-12 hours over the phone?????, but I went online and researched and EVERYONE say two-three days off opiates before taking suboxone. So I go into his office in moderate withdrawal. He gives me one 8mg sub and we talk for about 15 min. He asked how do i feel once 15 min was up. I felt a little better, but still pretty crappy. So automatically hesaid"were putting you on 16mg's a day. And take them both in the morning . Here's where my concerns come in....
Ive read many ppl say coming off sub can be very difficult. I want to make it as pleasant as possible when the time comes. Do you all think It would be better to just take 8mg's a day instead? Should I take it all at once? I took them at 3;00pm and its midnight now. I still feel the sub a little. I dont really know where im going here, I just need some input and any suggestions. He told me to come back in thirty days and prescribed me 60 pills. In my mind I would love to be ok starting out with 8mgs a day. But what does everyone think? When the suboxone period is over for me...I want to be done COMPLETLY!! I love AA and NA meetings. I have ppl in the program that ive met in the past. So i have some support. But you all on here are the ones that are really going to help me. And the ones im sort of counting on for advice. Anyone who writes me back, my greatfulness is with you. If anyone can take time out to help me i would be forever greatful. hope to hear from you all.

-Michael
 
^ Yeah that PDMP BS is what I was worried about. I've been Rx'd Kpins for a few years now, and my scripts gotten up to 2mg a day.

defective lise: Also, a possible light at the end of the tunnel for ya; my cousin was heavily addicted to xanax for years, worse than anyone I've ever known. She tapered off, went through hell doing it, but got off and has stayed off for a few years now. Since being off of em, she swears that her anxiety levels are even lower now than they were when she was taking benzos, she also hasn't had a panic attack since. I hope it all works out ok for ya. BL is a great place to come for advice, there's lot's of cool people here willing to help. :D

Pretty much the only way your Dr. or Pharmacist is going to look at the database is if there is a reason. It recently happened to me.

When I switched from my primary care doc. (where I've had a 4-6MG per day Xanax script for six+ years) to my Sub doc I got in some trouble.

My OLD PCP used to write me scripts for 90 days of 1MG Xanax and when I made the switch to the Sub doc I was towards the end of those 90 days. When I left the Suboxone Dr's office I walked out with a script for Xanax (same dose but 2MG tabs instead of 1MG tabs) and a script for Suboxone. Well, a couple of weeks went by and I got that email from Rite-Aid saying "You are due for a refill on your Xanax script" (from the old doc) So, Since the law says that even though it's the same medicine, if it's a different MG dose it's not considered writing the same script within a 30 day period. That meant that I could LEGALLY fill it and I would not be breaking any laws. SOOO... I just went ahead and refilled my script.

MISTAKE.

I got my script (since I wasn't breaking any laws) but the pharmacist decided to call my Sub Dr. who then decided to pull my insurance/prescription records where he saw that I had refilled my OLD script in addition to HIS. Needless to say he was a bit pissed off. He made me come home and get the bottle of Xanax (which I hadn't touched, thankfully) and bring it to him - or be kicked out of the Sub program. I KIND OF got out of it because I told him it was an "automatic refill" and my wife just picked up the script and put it in our safe w/o me even knowing. Since it wasn't touched I'm pretty sure he believed me.

HOWEVER, Now, every month that I see him he pulls out that bottle and gives me my Xanax himself. (well, he actually has his "staff" do it.. whom I've also witnessed forging his name on my scripts..)

As of right now I'm not sure where I stand with him when it comes to writing a new Xanax script. That bottle I gave him is almost empty so I guess I'll find out at my next appt.

Defective Lise: YOU CAN DO IT! I recently helped a female friend of mine taper off a 6MG a day Xanax habit that she has had for SIX+ YEARS. This is in addition to the massive amounts of other benzos that we were both taking daily - (Klonopin, Ativan, Valium, Nitrazepam, Bromazepam, etc.) but it was QUITE PAINLESS for her. It took almost two years to get her off. (of Benzo's <grin>.)

She's been off close to 5 months now and just yesterday she said this to me:

"My anxiety is COMPLETELY GONE NOW. I KNOW it was ALL related to the Benzos"

For her to say that her anxiety is gone... well.. all I can say is WOW, WOW, WOW. She suffered horribly the WHOLE TIME she was on benzos, regardless of the amount.

It took two years of SLOWLY TAPERING before she finally jumped off of Valium @ less than a 1/4 mg every other day for a few weeks. She had some mild anxiety and a bit of depression for about a month (she said it wasn't bad at all) and is in tip top shape now, both physically and mentally!

Take a look at the following thread (and a few links in the thread) - it might help you out a bit.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=510637

Good luck and feel free to PM me if you have any questions you don't want public. I'll do my best to answer them.
 
suboxone to heroin to suboxone HELP

so 2 days ago I started to get off IV heroin using suboxone. On day one, 18+hrs since last dose I sublingually took 2mg of suboxone and then again every 2-4 hours til I had consumed 1 and 1/2 8mg pills (so 12mg bupe all together)

Yesterday I took 4mgs of sub at 9am and then 4mg more at noon and felt pretty fine. Then a friend of mine called and asked if I wanted to get high and the addict in me said yes and i ended up doing some more H (IV bout .5 grams) about 7 hours after my last sub dose.

NOW i dont want to hear waste of money, u couldnt feel anything, i dont know if it was placebo or whatever but i was on a pretty fackin good nod lemme tell ya and well now it is the next day i have no H or money but i have subs.

So my question (finally and thank you for helping if uve read this far) if I did a shot of heroin at 10pm last night while i had subs in my system from earlier THAT SAME DAY (noon) would I be ok to dose another sub today without getting thrown into PWD or do i have to wait til I start getting sick again? or what would be the amount of time id have to wait to take it? any advice THANK YOU SO MUCH on other forums we trade good porn for advice like this but thats not the case here...im just a dope fiend trying to get my life in order...so please... help me???
 
whats the difference bro,you gonna take subs to get off the shit or u gonna keep going back and forth.damn bro i worked so hard to get my suboxone its not even funny. its ppl like you who get the shit and then use other drugs!!! thats why its so damn hard to get anything these days. yea thx for nothing ppl. go snort and shoot up f in pain pills and do everything the wrong way . whatever the doc says "do the opposite" stupid ass ppl
 
whats the difference bro,you gonna take subs to get off the shit or u gonna keep going back and forth.damn bro i worked so hard to get my suboxone its not even funny. its ppl like you who get the shit and then use other drugs!!! thats why its so damn hard to get anything these days. yea thx for nothing ppl. go snort and shoot up f in pain pills and do everything the wrong way . whatever the doc says "do the opposite" stupid ass ppl

Sounds like someone has an anger problem.

Im assuming you have NEVER abused drugs??(This is a weird website to be a member of if thats true).

Also.....you can judge, and rant, and cuss, and whine....but honestly no one will listen, or take you seriously. Try a different approach to get your point across...ok?
 
Sounds like someone has an anger problem.

Im assuming you have NEVER abused drugs??(This is a weird website to be a member of if thats true).

Also.....you can judge, and rant, and cuss, and whine....but honestly no one will listen, or take you seriously. Try a different approach to get your point across...ok?

Look at his number of posts...

And he wonders why nobody is answering him.
 
First off, Drifter, thank you for your input. I checked out Illinois' policies on monitoring scripts and they only monitor CIIs. All benzos are CIV and subs are CIII so I should be ok. I hope. I'll flip if I lose my fuckin kpin script tho...

Second, MSegualdo, it's good yer getting off of opiates and you have high hopes for recovery, but if you've been to NA and AA, I'm sure you know better than to judge what someone else is doing like that. I'll chalk it up to a fit of anger related to getting off pills and answer your question. I've been on subs for 2+ years now.

So to MS and kneeco and anyone else just getting on subs, my advice is this: start off at as low of a dose as you're comfortable with and try your best to keep it there. Many docs over Rx subs, but they work quite well at low doses. BUT once you're used to a high dose, you need the high dose and it hasn't been easy for me to taper down. Just my $.02.

So MS, if you can get by on 8, I'd say keep taking 8. It's A Ok to keep getting your Rxd the extras though, you never know when you'll need em. That's something my doc does for me. Also, splitting the dose, or taking it all at once, either in AM or PM is entirely up to you and what works best for you. I used to split my dose Am and Pm, now I take it all in the Pm. I found that taking it early in the day would sometimes make me groggy/noddy later on, so I take it with dinner now.

And finally kneeco, I guarantee it wasn't placebo. I went back and forth like you for awhile and you don't need to be off subs for more than a day to catch a buzz, and to answer your question, I've taken subs as little as 12 hours after shooting about .3g the dope we get around chicago. I don't know if it's just me or if people exaggerate the length of time you need wait, but I've never had a problem with pwd's.

It's crazy how quick the discussion goes in this thread...
 
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