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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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HeavyHanded said:
First off, Drifter, thank you for your input. I checked out Illinois' policies on monitoring scripts and they only monitor CIIs. All benzos are CIV and subs are CIII so I should be ok. I hope. I'll flip if I lose my fuckin kpin script tho...
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No problem. It's a nice feeling to let other people at least benefit from my mistakes. ;) Where did you find the information regarding which drugs are monitored in each state? Right off of the DEA website, or?

Don't tell the new Dr. about the Suboxone.. Also, just bring in your latest Klonopin pill bottle with your old Dr's name. The new Dr. shouldn't have a problem. Just tell him you've been on them forever.

To be safe, be sure not to fill them at the same pharmacy or give your Sub Dr. a reason to pull your records.
 
@CH... Suboxone/ Subutex is Schedule III in the USA! ;)

Edit- Schedule V in Ohio and maybe other states still, apparently...
 
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Captain.Heroin said:
So many doctors have flat out refused to RX me benzos, if that works for you with doctors, that's great and I hope doctors were that generous here.
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If you can prove dependency, then you should have no trouble getting at least a taper plan from a doctor...

Just sayin' ;) I hate to come in here and be all disagreeable! Hope you're doing good, Cap'n!
 
Pegasus said:
@CH... Suboxone/ Subutex is Schedule III in the USA! ;)

Edit- Schedule V in Ohio and maybe other states still, apparently...
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Why would suboxone be schedule V in only some states??

I thought there classification was regulated by the Federal Government(FDA/DEA)....I could be wrong...just wondering.

I figured that once a drug is classified as, say, schedule III(like suboxone), then that means its schedule III no matter what.....assuming states cannot overule the federal scheduling of drugs which I didn't think they had the power to do.

I am now interested to know if it really is schedule V in some states....do you have references I could use as a source to read up on the subject Pegasus???
 
Pegasus said:
^ Ohio Controlled Substances:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3719.41
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Thanks for the link Pegasus, but do you know why they lowered it to schedule V?...I mean, whats the point?....to make it more easily accesible to addicts who need it?...cuz im assuming that it being schedule V instead of III means that it can be prescribed much more easily wiht much less hassle than if it were III...right?
 
^I think it is the opposite that happened... Bupe used to be Schedule V everywhere, but was moved up in most places apparently to coincide with the release of Suboxone/ Subutex...
 
Pegasus said:
^I think it is the opposite that happened... Bupe used to be Schedule V everywhere, but was moved up in most places apparently to coincide with the release of Suboxone/ Subutex...
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I could of sworn that bupe was schedule II or maybe I before it was approved for the treatment of opiate dependance.....and then it was moved DOWN to schedule III when it was released as suboxone because it would make it much easier for drug addicts to have access to help.
 
Oh wait, nvm, your right....it WAS schedule V before it the release of suboxone/subutex.

SRY...my bad
 
^;) I wonder about how these laws work in practice as well. I notice from that link I gave you about Ohio state law that codeine/ DHC are schedule V in certain preparations and so I wonder if it can be obtained from a pharmacist in certain situations there...
 
Pegasus said:
^;) I wonder about how these laws work in practice as well. I notice from that link I gave you about Ohio state law that codeine/ DHC are schedule V in certain preparations and so I wonder if it can be obtained from a pharmacist in certain situations there...
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Maybe...but I dont really give codeine a second thought....even when I had ZERO experience with opiates...codeine had MINIMAL effects on me.

I seem to have a natural toerance to opiates....because, when I very first started taking them....it would still take me about 50-70 mg's of hydrocodone to get any sort of decent high....which from what ive read of other peoples early experiences....is a very high beginners dose(most people when they started would take 20 mg's of hydrocodone and be "flying" so to speak).

* this is probably why I very quickly moved to OXYCONTIN and then HEROIN faster than it would usually take most people(I started taking heroin about 4 months after my very first experience with opiates).*
 
RE: Buprenorphine used to be CV, keep in mind they haven't scheduled Propofol yet. The scheduling system means nothing IMO. It's about as baseless as the crack/cocaine disparity (which has been fixed, but only recently so).
 
CH- to clarify; I'm on suboxone, not subutex. Don't know if the naloxone in it makes a difference, but everything I looked at says suboxone is CIII. PLEASE, if you have a link showing me otherwise, post it. I don't turn my info in to my girl's insurance co. til Monday. I will check back regularly. This is of the utmost importance to me.

CH- And also, your reply to drifter is my other biggest concern. I could definitely see a different doc refusing to continue that line of treatment. I technically get it for RLS, and it's a pretty outdated med to treat RLS. BUT, I've tried Mirapex, and the rest of the recent rash of bull shit RLS meds. I've even tried parkinson's meds such as Topamax, and the only one that actually helps me is kpins. Also, most Drs know you shouldn't be on such high dose of benzos for so long, and would think something's up when I tell them I only take it when I need it. It seriously took me years to get this script, going through hell and back being a lab rat for pharm companies latest greatest drugs, while shitty Drs get kick backs for Rxing them.

P.S. I just did another cursory search on google and everywhere has suboxone labeled as CIII, if anyone can show me anything to the contrary I'd be SOOOO grateful.

THANK YOU to the wonderful people that have kept up with my posts/plight, THANK YOU very much to everyone that's responded to me, and thank you in general to everyone at this excellent, incredibly helpful website. I've learned so much in the six months or so since I've been here, it's crazy.

I'll say it again, discussion in this thread goes ridiculously quick. I have a hard time keeping up with my own topic if I don't check back often enough. Crazy.
 
I'm amazed that sum1 barely feels w:d coming on low doses if bupe rather than a small dose. I take slightly less than a .25 of my pill and the w/d is worse than dope or fent or oxy. It's by far the worst o e ever had. Could this be the length of time I been on maintenance ? (7-8mths) I even take 1 b4 bed and when I wake up it's w/d hell usually
 
I couldn't get used to 6-8mg (swapped day by day), it wasn't a very bad withdrawal but it was like I was being on a mild withdrawal constantly. 16mg is alright, I would leave methadone for that (I have to take this shit twice a day so I'm ok and bupe at 16mg kept me alright for hell of a lot more than 24h) but treatment here is a pain in the ass.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
So many doctors have flat out refused to RX me benzos, if that works for you with doctors, that's great and I hope doctors were that generous here.
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I've had to do this with four doctors in the past. (mostly due to changing insurance) and have had good luck with all of them. One of them was a bit resistant at first, but as Pegasus said, if you're dependent they are pretty much obligated to help you.

The resistant Dr. I had simply walked out of the examining room and called my old Dr. and saw that I had an ongoing Xanax script. He then didn't have a problem writing me the same script. Another Dr. simply looked at the bottle I brought in and wrote the script w/o a problem. When I changed back to my "original" insurance I went back to my old PCP and he picked up where he left off. No problems.

My Sub Dr. didn't even have a problem writing the script and even ADDED .5MG Klonopin per day. (He's also an "Addiction Specialist" - Same one that said Klonopin is non-addictive.)

It all depends on the Dr. that you get. Each has their own views on how benzo's should be prescribed. I've had the best luck with OLDER Dr's for what that's worth. The younger Dr. that called my "old" PCP literally THREW my Xanax bottle at me and started cursing my original Dr. (before he walked out of the examining room and called him!) I then walked out with a script.

I hate to advocate Dr. shopping but in this day and age there is no choice, especially when it comes to Sub Dr's. They are the worst. The thing you have to remember is YOU are the customer.

On the last visit to my Sub Dr. he explained to me how my insurance works and how he gets paid..and to be honest, I can't blame him for the way he acts and the minimal amt. of time he spends with me. (if what he told me is true.)

The way he explained it to me is this: He says that BCBS (Blue Cross/Blue Shield) pays him $7.00 per month for every patient that has him listed as their PCP. (Whether he sees that patient or not during that month.)

That, in addition to the co-pay is all he gets.. So he gets the $7.00 per month for me being his patient and my $10.00 co-pay per visit. Nothing more.

So according to him, he's making $17.00 per month off of me.

He calls it "The beginning of ObamaCare" and apologized. He said that all insurance companies are starting to follow BCBS's lead which is supposedly modeled around the Canadian/European health care systems. (of which I have no knowledge)

There is something going on w/ the Suboxone scripts though. For some reason he seems QUITE keen on prescribing lots of "brand" Suboxone. He's even got special script pads ONLY for Suboxone. I'd really like to know what kind of kick backs he's getting from Reckitt Benckiser.
 
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