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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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russianrambozo said:
hey fistful, do u feel anything when u dose. because as soon as i went under 2mg and went thru semi wd for a few nights i started getting high when i would take a dose of 1mg or .5 and this is kinda making it harder to stop because before it was as if i were sober all the time on a dose over 2mg
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I do feel relief of course and that "subtle" buzz Bupre provides yet nothing which I'd call a "rush" or "euphoria" as some people report . As for its intensity 2-4mgs is what works best for me , anything above or below isn't as "rewarding".If I take 1.5 mg instead of 2 I'm under the impression the effects do not last as long and if I take 8mgs I feel Jittery and uncomfortable in general ... keep in mind that I'm not IVing it which may just make a difference.
 
fistful_of_needles said:
I do feel relief of course and that "subtle" buzz Bupre provides yet nothing which I'd call a "rush" or "euphoria" as some people report . As for its intensity 2-4mgs is what works best for me , anything above or below isn't as "rewarding".If I take 1.5 mg instead of 2 I'm under the impression the effects do not last as long and if I take 8mgs I feel Jittery and uncomfortable in general ... keep in mind that I'm not IVing it which may just make a difference.
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Yeah I don't get a rush or euphoria if I don't IV it, so that's why. But it's OK because you feel good at least, and it's pleasant to feel its effects nonetheless, even if you do use it sublingually.
 
Suboxone is a wonder drug and I am thankful for people who figure out how shit like this works. My GF is on 16mg of the good ol n8's..

I was on them but was like, "hey hey fix me inbetween fixes" and ended up selling them. But i am sure there is 100 people of ahead of me that did this..

So I did some research and got the naltraxone implant did a good stint in rehab for 5 days then went and get this trax put in me o_O

It works for my good gal didn't work for me due to the hardass drug pushing junkie love that i have...

If anyone wants to pm me we can burn some midnight oil I have a burden and need help.
 
Fatkid paramedic said:
Suboxone is a wonder drug and I am thankful for people who figure out how shit like this works. My GF is on 16mg of the good ol n8's..

I was on them but was like, "hey hey fix me inbetween fixes" and ended up selling them. But i am sure there is 100 people of ahead of me that did this..

So I did some research and got the naltraxone implant did a good stint in rehab for 5 days then went and get this trax put in me o_O

It works for my good gal didn't work for me due to the hardass drug pushing junkie love that i have...

If anyone wants to pm me we can burn some midnight oil I have a burden and need help.
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I'm glad to hear that at least you're trying for yourself. Good job on trying to quit. :)
 
Thank ya much CapN

I know the subs would have worked if I wasnt so damn stuborn. My gf would hold onto them and she would put it in my mouth and watch me take em..

Little did she know ol Dad is a sneaky one.

I dont know if this has been mentioned prior to me but I am to lazy to search at this moment. there is a candy called "circus peanuts" here in Kentucky, they look very familar to suboxone, "as far as color and melt factor on the tongue"

Place one Elephant ear candy on a table.. appply lots of pressure to forum a solid orange circle.. exacto-knife out a octagon.. Enjoy

Ripped off alotta dumb mofo's that way LMao (seriously)

They would call, "AW MAN im dope sick"
ok i say.. they show up i give em a elephant ear carved with a n8 on it...
"oh man thanks i feel better already"


I do to..... = /
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Yeah I don't get a rush or euphoria if I don't IV it, so that's why. But it's OK because you feel good at least, and it's pleasant to feel its effects nonetheless, even if you do use it sublingually.
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don't you build a tolerance like any other opiates? I can't see you getting a buzz/effect using the same dose daily without increasing. Not coming off as hostile but I don't see the point in trying to avoid drug abuse yet your IVing suboxone, why not just take slightly more and take it the proper way?


On a different note, how many of you guys are in A.A. or N.A.? Theres alot of conflicting opions on suboxone. I went and got my script for low dose suboxone (4mg per day) filled. I gave it to my house manager at my halfway house to hold onto. After discussing it with my sponsor and dealing with his and others prior experiences we both came to a similar conclusion. Although we personally dont experience what we would call a "high" from suboxone. I dont notice any effects I'm a all or nothing guy I didnt use for 4.5months and went out and snorted 10 blues in a a sitting. But after talking some more we both agreed that it makes us lethargic to life and emotions. So as to not disturb the potential spirtiual awakening that might occur I've decided to hold off on the suboxone. I guess it'll be there as a backup plan.;)
 
Deveel said:
don't you build a tolerance like any other opiates? I can't see you getting a buzz/effect using the same dose daily without increasing. Not coming off as hostile but I don't see the point in trying to avoid drug abuse yet your IVing suboxone, why not just take slightly more and take it the proper way?


On a different note, how many of you guys are in A.A. or N.A.? Theres alot of conflicting opions on suboxone. I went and got my script for low dose suboxone (4mg per day) filled. I gave it to my house manager at my halfway house to hold onto. After discussing it with my sponsor and dealing with his and others prior experiences we both came to a similar conclusion. Although we personally dont experience what we would call a "high" from suboxone. I dont notice any effects I'm a all or nothing guy I didnt use for 4.5months and went out and snorted 10 blues in a a sitting. But after talking some more we both agreed that it makes us lethargic to life and emotions. So as to not disturb the potential spirtiual awakening that might occur I've decided to hold off on the suboxone. I guess it'll be there as a backup plan.;)
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I am kindly in the same boat as you as far as NA meetings are concerned except mine stays inside me.

Honestly bub I love those NA meetings (except when some idiot keeps rambling for 15 minutes) its a good way to speak your mind and be at ease..

As for telling them about suboxone or anything I wouldn't.. Subs are not what wrecked havoc upon your life, These pain popping phonies can have stuff to help manage there pain. (AND THERE THE ONE'S setting in AA LOL) but how come we cannot have something to manage our addiction and not feel frowned upon..
 
Captain.Heroin said:

Hm, well if you want to try it once I would try 1mg or less. It's pretty potent.

If you still have a large opiate tolerance or have recently been using opiates it may not be that euphoric for you, but if you've been on buprenorphine for a while and haven't been taking opiates, there's a good chance you'd like it for the novel effect and much quicker onset.
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Wow, that potent eh? In order to get any euphoria, do I need to stop taking suboxone (intranasally or sublingually) for a couple days, or can I do it like the day after I take some "as directed"? To say where my tolerance is, I just did a two day binge on heroin using a total of .6g and was banging about 3/4 of a bag (.1) at a time. I probably could have done the whole bag, since I wasn't getting the big rush I usually got, but was a bit nervous since last time I shot dope I ended up in the hospital.
 
Deveel said:
don't you build a tolerance like any other opiates? I can't see you getting a buzz/effect using the same dose daily without increasing. Not coming off as hostile but I don't see the point in trying to avoid drug abuse yet your IVing suboxone, why not just take slightly more and take it the proper way?
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Nope, it's a partial agonist and isn't as likely to build up tolerance, I theorize because it isn't a mu subtype 2 agonist.

I get a better/equal buzz and rush every time I IV, despite decreasing the dose. Whether you think that's possible or not it is. I certainly do. I'm rushing right now from it. Buprenorphine is wonderful in that way.

My brain is down regulating from extended heroin use in the past, and that's why this is happening. Down regulation means you have less mu-opioid receptors. This way, less opiates will get you just as effected as a larger dose in the past would have.

What do you mean take slightly more and in the proper way? I would use 1/16th of a sublingual dose. That's not slightly more.

On a different note, how many of you guys are in A.A. or N.A.? Theres alot of conflicting opions on suboxone. I went and got my script for low dose suboxone (4mg per day) filled. I gave it to my house manager at my halfway house to hold onto. After discussing it with my sponsor and dealing with his and others prior experiences we both came to a similar conclusion. Although we personally dont experience what we would call a "high" from suboxone. I dont notice any effects I'm a all or nothing guy I didnt use for 4.5months and went out and snorted 10 blues in a a sitting. But after talking some more we both agreed that it makes us lethargic to life and emotions. So as to not disturb the potential spirtiual awakening that might occur I've decided to hold off on the suboxone. I guess it'll be there as a backup plan.;)
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If you have a high opiate tolerance, no Suboxone won't get you high, just sweet, sweet relief from the withdrawal.

I'm pretty glad I have a back to the first square low opiate tolerance again.

Falcon0r said:
Wow, that potent eh? In order to get any euphoria, do I need to stop taking suboxone (intranasally or sublingually) for a couple days, or can I do it like the day after I take some "as directed"? To say where my tolerance is, I just did a two day binge on heroin using a total of .6g and was banging about 3/4 of a bag (.1) at a time. I probably could have done the whole bag, since I wasn't getting the big rush I usually got, but was a bit nervous since last time I shot dope I ended up in the hospital.
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Not everyone gets "euphoria" from buprenorphine, but if you were to, take it as directed until you taper down and your tolerance goes down. That's when you can switch over to IV and get rushes/euphoria, if you are to at all.

Sorry to hear you ended up in the hospital, doesn't sound pleasant.
 
Hey all. This is my first post but i've been reading the forums for a few months now.

Anyways, i searched this thread and read pages and pages but couldn't find anything to answer my question. So here it is:

I've been on the subs for a little over a month now. Before I was doing oxycontin at 60-80mg a bump, usually once or twice a day. Now i'm on 8mg's suboxone daily. I started at 4mg's but after a few days that wasn't doing it so went up to 6 and ended up at 8 and that's been holding me pretty well for that past 2-3 weeks. But lately the cravings have gotten intense, and i really don't want to raise my dose again. And although i'm probably going to get some "no stay strong yada yada" answers my question is, does suboxone raise your opiate tolerance? If i started at 4 and ended up at 8, does that mean i'll have to do more oxy too? After i wait a few days for the subs to be out of my system of course. Some of the posts i read made it sound like your tolerance actually goes down? Any insight would be appreciated.
 
ampoules

ampoules, if you dont inject,

they work good up the nose in a spray or something,

just a bit awkard.

but, they DO work!!

prolly best to use I.V but seems such a big step to I.V something, i would love to be shown, maybe i just need to read more....
 
Will grapefruit interfere with suboxone?

Will grapefruit juice interfere negatively with my suboxone? Should I wait until the grapefruit is out of my system or does it potentiate the suboxone? I know suboxone is broken down into something apparently stronger in the liver so would this combo be a good thing?
 
I've got a quick question and hopefully someone can give me some insight. I'm currently on 4mg of suboxone and I've been using a 75mcg fent patch buccally today, after dosing my usual 4mg dose of bupe this morning. Now when I go to dose my bupe tomorrow morning, will i have to worry about precipitated withdrawal? Can I dose as normal, since the bupe was never out of my system? Or should I wait 24hrs just in case? I cannot be sick tomorrow. That's why I didn't stop my bupe and then dose the fent. I was hoping for some continuity. The last time I got off the bup and used fent for a few days, I had to wait almost 96 hours before being able to dose my bupe normally. What should I do? Thanks!
SW

BTW, I was able to break through my suboxone dose, giving me mild to moderate euphoria. Nothing like it would be if I had no bupe at all, but I had much better than expected results!
 
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^^ I dunno. that sounds tricky

i remember specifically your post having gone into Precip WD after an ungodly amount of hr (i forget how many). but i am think in was like 50+ hr or something right?

i see your reasoning with the bupe still on the receptors but i still would have to imagine that whatever fent would still be on the receptors would be stripped off, now whether or not u will go into WD b/c of some bupe still being there is unknown.

If i was you i would try to find some other full-agonists besides fent patches and try to use them for tommorrow until u can just wait the appropriate amount of time after ur full agonist before dosing ur bupe

not to be rude but if tommorrow is that important then why did u chance it
 
StaffWriter said:
I've got a quick question and hopefully someone can give me some insight. I'm currently on 4mg of suboxone and I've been using a 75mcg fent patch buccally today, after dosing my usual 4mg dose of bupe this morning. Now when I go to dose my bupe tomorrow morning, will i have to worry about precipitated withdrawal? Can I dose as normal, since the bupe was never out of my system? Or should I wait 24hrs just in case? I cannot be sick tomorrow. That's why I didn't stop my bupe and then dose the fent. I was hoping for some continuity. The last time I got off the bup and used fent for a few days, I had to wait almost 96 hours before being able to dose my bupe normally. What should I do? Thanks!
SW

BTW, I was able to break through my suboxone dose, giving me mild to moderate euphoria. Nothing like it would be if I had no bupe at all, but I had much better than expected results!
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This questions are so impossible to answer and fucking annoying if i can be honest.

No one can tell you how long bupe is going to stay in your system or if you will feel withdrawal. If in doubt, wait 24 hours, if not, take it and cross your fingers.

Thats all i got for you.
 
crimsonjunk said:
Ok I have a question thats been bothering me about suboxone. I have been on maintenience for a lil over a month 8 mg a day split into two 4 mg doses. If I had a severe car wreck or other accident would the hospital or paramedics be able to give me anything for pain? Is there a way to knock the bupe off my receptors so normal opiates will work or will I just be in horrible pain as i die?
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Does anyone know the answer to this? it is something i have wondered a long time...
 
dopiate said:
This questions are so impossible to answer and fucking annoying if i can be honest.
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Well, I felt like I could pose this question in the Suboxone mega thread, so it wasn't like I started a self-serving post. I wanted maybe someone's experience, as I know that this something no one can predict. I was hoping someone else had experienced this situation. If you don't have anything to add, I don't need your "honest" assessment about the question I'm posing.

"not to be rude but if tommorrow is that important then why did u chance it "

Actually, I've only got work tomorrow so there's nothing THAT important. I just didn't want to dose sub in the morning and have precip. wd.

Since no one knows, I will just skip tomorrow's dose. Thanks for your info, folks.:\
 
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Well, I felt like I could pose this question in the Suboxone mega thread, so it wasn't like I started a self-serving post.
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And I still thank you for doing that SW, you did the right thing.

I didn't find your question annoying at all.

I wanted maybe someone's experience, as I know that this something no one can predict. I was hoping someone else had experienced this situation. If you don't have anything to add, I don't need your "honest" assessment about the question I'm posing.
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I agree, this is a great place to try to find experience because a lot of us here have a lot of experience with opiates. I, however, have never tried fentanyl. So I don't want to tell you something anyone else could have since a lot of us haven't tried it (some of us have).

Since no one knows, I will just skip tomorrow's dose. Thanks for your info, folks.:\
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What "dose" do you normally take?

Do you want to try 1/4th or 1/8th of your dose and see if you are going to have a negative reaction or not? That might be the wisest thing to do.

russianrambozo said:
i havnt gone from bupe to fent but i did go from bupe 8mg a day to methadone 120mg for 3 days, it was the perfect amount to breakthrough and achieve a lasting nod. but when i went back to the bupe 60 hrs after my tolerance had risen and even on the bupe i had to sit through withdrawal for four days since the bupe wasnt strong enough. anyone have any experience with this?
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Never tried methadone. A friend told me it sucks, so I have a feeling I wouldn't like it. They very much so enjoyed buprenorphine.
 
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