PillPoppingAnimal
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he said he woke up with no rls but feels it may be coming in ,but that couldb e mental
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HdoubleODeezy
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I donno what to tell you other than try to get benzos..
Maybe go to the store and pick up some kava and valerian.
They are kind of like natures benzos. But be warned.. Valerian smells HORRIBLE lol.
Maybe go to the store and pick up some kava and valerian.
They are kind of like natures benzos. But be warned.. Valerian smells HORRIBLE lol.
lorcomonster
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People on 24 mg bupe or more-HOW do you dose?
I have searched the web and bluelight and all the other forums up and down and I cant seem to find what I am looking for.
If its ok, Id really like one of the great mods here to turn this into a poll
OK so HOW MANY Subs (oxone/utex) do YOU put under your toung AT ONCE
the Thing is, I take 24 mg, and I take it all at once in the morning. but its REALLY hard to dissolve 3 pills at once. And I cant figure out if Im ever actualy absorbing it right. '
I tried-
1-chewing up pills and spreading them around my mouth and then letting the spit sit in my mouth for 10 minutes or 30 minutes or even an hour. I try to hold it until it has NO bitter flavor.
however this method seems to leave me feeling undermedicated. and I do need 3 pills. 2 doesnt do it for me.
2-holding pills whole intact undre my toung. either ONE at a time, or usualy 2 at a time and then a third right after-OR I just try to be a man and take all 3 at once.
I do this at about 4-5 in the morning and it sucks because espcialy if I cant fit all three in then this process can take SEVERAL HOURS. One hour seems to work for 2 pills.
Does holding a big mouthful of spit for an hour ACTUALY absorb most of your dose? or is absorbtion going to be the best if I
3-Powder them first, (or chew them) and pour it into my DRY mouth I have every morning, and I spread the paste all over my mouth. now it SEEMS like this would have the best absorbtion. but I feel undermedicated no matter how I do it.
Im wondering-Does taking 3 pills at once waste some sub ? like, can 12 mg (50% of my dose) Actualy absorb and atach to my brain?
the reason I ask is because I have heard it is pointless to shoot up (IV) more than 2 mg. Im wondering-is 2 to 4 mg the Max that can actualy absorb and attatch to your brain? Because I have ALSO heard of another person who IVs 24 mg a day for like 10 years-8 mg a shot three times a day.
so they SAY the ceiling is 32 mg sublingual. so wouldnt that really be about 16 mg TOPS that you could shoot in a day without hitting the ceiling and wasting?
So is the dude shooting 3 subs a day ESSENTIALY taking about 6 Sublingualy? (is it equivilant)?
I also have a good friend whotakes SIX (NO JOKE SIX) SUboxones a day 3 in morning three at night-and if he doesnt get his full dose he feels like shit and feels dopesick. What Im really wondering I guess, is Can suboxone have effects ABOVE 32 mg in SOME people or all people?
SOrry this was so long. I would just like to hear from everyone and especialy the people on high doses (24 mg +) HOW DO YOU take your dose? How many pills at once or do you take them throughout the day? I want to know if possibly I could drop my dose and still get the same effects. so far that hasnt worked cause If I only take 16 mg I still feel like shit until I get 24 mg in me.
Thank you! and Im new to bluelight so hello everyone and sorry this is so long im just obssesed with trying to get and ABSORB the right dose. I think 24 mg is my dose but I think that I waste alot of it trying to hold all that shit in my mouth it fills up with spit so quick I almost cant hold it in. OR my mouth is so dry that it just turns into a dry paste and no matter HOW long I hold it in my mouth the flavor doesnt go away.
if I powder it and pour it in and then pour in a little bit of liquor (tiny bit) my mouth DOESNT fill up with spit. I have found that works pretty well.
Id just like to know if I wake up and pop 3 subs under my toung and let them sit there, is this the best way to take my dose? how do YOU dose?
thanks!!
I have searched the web and bluelight and all the other forums up and down and I cant seem to find what I am looking for.
If its ok, Id really like one of the great mods here to turn this into a poll
OK so HOW MANY Subs (oxone/utex) do YOU put under your toung AT ONCE
the Thing is, I take 24 mg, and I take it all at once in the morning. but its REALLY hard to dissolve 3 pills at once. And I cant figure out if Im ever actualy absorbing it right. '
I tried-
1-chewing up pills and spreading them around my mouth and then letting the spit sit in my mouth for 10 minutes or 30 minutes or even an hour. I try to hold it until it has NO bitter flavor.
however this method seems to leave me feeling undermedicated. and I do need 3 pills. 2 doesnt do it for me.
2-holding pills whole intact undre my toung. either ONE at a time, or usualy 2 at a time and then a third right after-OR I just try to be a man and take all 3 at once.
I do this at about 4-5 in the morning and it sucks because espcialy if I cant fit all three in then this process can take SEVERAL HOURS. One hour seems to work for 2 pills.
Does holding a big mouthful of spit for an hour ACTUALY absorb most of your dose? or is absorbtion going to be the best if I
3-Powder them first, (or chew them) and pour it into my DRY mouth I have every morning, and I spread the paste all over my mouth. now it SEEMS like this would have the best absorbtion. but I feel undermedicated no matter how I do it.
Im wondering-Does taking 3 pills at once waste some sub ? like, can 12 mg (50% of my dose) Actualy absorb and atach to my brain?
the reason I ask is because I have heard it is pointless to shoot up (IV) more than 2 mg. Im wondering-is 2 to 4 mg the Max that can actualy absorb and attatch to your brain? Because I have ALSO heard of another person who IVs 24 mg a day for like 10 years-8 mg a shot three times a day.
so they SAY the ceiling is 32 mg sublingual. so wouldnt that really be about 16 mg TOPS that you could shoot in a day without hitting the ceiling and wasting?
So is the dude shooting 3 subs a day ESSENTIALY taking about 6 Sublingualy? (is it equivilant)?
I also have a good friend whotakes SIX (NO JOKE SIX) SUboxones a day 3 in morning three at night-and if he doesnt get his full dose he feels like shit and feels dopesick. What Im really wondering I guess, is Can suboxone have effects ABOVE 32 mg in SOME people or all people?
SOrry this was so long. I would just like to hear from everyone and especialy the people on high doses (24 mg +) HOW DO YOU take your dose? How many pills at once or do you take them throughout the day? I want to know if possibly I could drop my dose and still get the same effects. so far that hasnt worked cause If I only take 16 mg I still feel like shit until I get 24 mg in me.
Thank you! and Im new to bluelight so hello everyone and sorry this is so long im just obssesed with trying to get and ABSORB the right dose. I think 24 mg is my dose but I think that I waste alot of it trying to hold all that shit in my mouth it fills up with spit so quick I almost cant hold it in. OR my mouth is so dry that it just turns into a dry paste and no matter HOW long I hold it in my mouth the flavor doesnt go away.
if I powder it and pour it in and then pour in a little bit of liquor (tiny bit) my mouth DOESNT fill up with spit. I have found that works pretty well.
Id just like to know if I wake up and pop 3 subs under my toung and let them sit there, is this the best way to take my dose? how do YOU dose?
thanks!!
lorcomonster
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hm. well I do that sometimes, its just that it often takes HOURS like 2 or more hours and often its too late and I have to go to work and i cant go and not be able to talk. I cant even talk to my wife the Entire morning.
maybe if I crushed one at a time with alcohol that would be the best?
by the way I dont really swallow any --except sometimes on purpousjust little bits at a time towards the end of the hour cause I know the tiny bits will absorb into my throat. but yeah its not that Im swallowing it all--its just that my mouth gets COMPLETELY full and I do hold it in there but if my nose is stuffed up and I cant breathe it becomes a real chore.
im not bitching about how hard this med is to take because it seems to have turned around my life. but-i really do wish it was easier.
So-I will try one at a time tomorow morning. would you recomend just sticking it in there whole? or would you chew em/powder em?
thanks for your help man!
maybe if I crushed one at a time with alcohol that would be the best?
by the way I dont really swallow any --except sometimes on purpousjust little bits at a time towards the end of the hour cause I know the tiny bits will absorb into my throat. but yeah its not that Im swallowing it all--its just that my mouth gets COMPLETELY full and I do hold it in there but if my nose is stuffed up and I cant breathe it becomes a real chore.
im not bitching about how hard this med is to take because it seems to have turned around my life. but-i really do wish it was easier.
So-I will try one at a time tomorow morning. would you recomend just sticking it in there whole? or would you chew em/powder em?
thanks for your help man!
lorcomonster
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This is a harrm reduction board-so I will try and reduce the harm for you if your intent on banging (I dont blame you! 100 percent bioavailability and also subutex comes on instantly with a badass rush)
Think about it this way. In many countries in europe where this drug has been around FOREVER-it is the most commonly abused street drug---IV TEMEGISIC
people shoot it instead of heroin. But this is not to say its completely safe.
it is a pill after all, and so a micron filter would be essential (well not really but I WOULD USE ONE) you will be shooting some binders and fillers and shit into your veins so you Really dont want to miss your shots.
also- it seems that people on the streets dont shoot up more than 1 or 2 mg tops. its sold on the streets EVERYWHERE.
The High is compareable to REALLY good REALLY clean heroin. however it lasts all day instead of a few hours. bad thing is the high dissapears pretty quick- but if you JUST do it recreationaly and dont do maintenence or get addicted
I would take the Subutex 8 mg tab, chop it into quarters. take one of the quarters and chop it in half. thats 1 mg now. filter with micron filter or at LEAST a cotton and shoot!
1 mg may be too much for you, or it may not be enough.
.25 mg is REALLY the best dose to start with so if you can try to dilute the pill in some water and measure it that way it would be MUCH better to start off with .2 or so.
though again, you may be one of those people that needs to shoot up 2 or more mg. experiment and find out. I for one say theres NOTHING wrong with shooting Subutex if you are careful and do it right. be safe!
Think about it this way. In many countries in europe where this drug has been around FOREVER-it is the most commonly abused street drug---IV TEMEGISIC
people shoot it instead of heroin. But this is not to say its completely safe.
it is a pill after all, and so a micron filter would be essential (well not really but I WOULD USE ONE) you will be shooting some binders and fillers and shit into your veins so you Really dont want to miss your shots.
also- it seems that people on the streets dont shoot up more than 1 or 2 mg tops. its sold on the streets EVERYWHERE.
The High is compareable to REALLY good REALLY clean heroin. however it lasts all day instead of a few hours. bad thing is the high dissapears pretty quick- but if you JUST do it recreationaly and dont do maintenence or get addicted
I would take the Subutex 8 mg tab, chop it into quarters. take one of the quarters and chop it in half. thats 1 mg now. filter with micron filter or at LEAST a cotton and shoot!
1 mg may be too much for you, or it may not be enough.
.25 mg is REALLY the best dose to start with so if you can try to dilute the pill in some water and measure it that way it would be MUCH better to start off with .2 or so.
though again, you may be one of those people that needs to shoot up 2 or more mg. experiment and find out. I for one say theres NOTHING wrong with shooting Subutex if you are careful and do it right. be safe!
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Merged.
Micron filter your solution.
Micron filter your solution.
ugly_pickle
Bluelighter
Take two spoons and powder them up and put the powder under your tongue for 30 min. and you should be fine...i do that with my 2pills cause like u said it takes forever for those suckers to dissolve .
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
-> Suboxone Mega Thread
I have never needed more than 6mg, possibly 8mg in a day at the most.
I have never needed more than 6mg, possibly 8mg in a day at the most.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
It is essentially pointless to IV more than 2mg for a few reasons. One, the higher the dose, the less norbuprenorphine takes effect as more buprenorphine is out competing it. The smallest dose you can feel is typically the best one when IVing so you get the most norbuprenorphine which is a better mu agonist.
Also, if you have a high enough opiate tolerance to "have" to shoot 2mg or more, you're not likely to even feel the "high" associated with IV buprenorphine. IV buprenorphine is something which is felt much better with a small/zero opiate tolerance.
The most ideal IV dose of buprenorphine is different for everyone, but for people without opiate tolerances, 2mg is unnecessarily high.
IVing 24mg of buprenorphine a day is insane. 8mg is entirely too much to shoot at once. It's completely unnecessary. If you can't get off on 2mg, you shouldn't be shooting Suboxone.
The equivalent of IVing 24mg of buprenorphine/day would probably be 80mg of buprenorphine.
If my math is wrong please let me know, but here's how I calculated it.
We can say that on average, about 30% of buprenorphine is absorbed sublingually (you can play around with this number if you would like) where as 100% is absorbed IV.
(3.3333333333...) * 24mg = 80mg
Let me know if I did something wrong math wise.
As for helping dissolve those Suboxone tablets...
make sure you are hydrated (being cottonmouthed often leads to Suboxone taking a while to break down sublingually). Also, use 1mL of high proof liquor - it will tingle a bit, but it helps the buprenorphine get across the membrane. It will also dramatically reduce how long it takes to sublingually administer Suboxone. After 5 minutes I'm done with sublingual suboxone using 6/7's alcohol technique.
tinylightsbelow
Greenlighter
My first time taking Suboxone was in an outpatient treatment program at some hospital. The first day, I took a total of 28mg and was still kicking. I was trying hard not to give in to my demons, but I did and called up my guy. I snorted up a quarter gram in one line and felt much better within a few minutes. I didn't get high of course, but I hadn't really been getting high from snorting at that point anyway.
The next time, I was in a residential treatment center in Malibu. I took either 6 or 8 mg the first day, had some unpleasant w/d's, but no worse than when I took 28.
Anyone have a clue as to what's up with that? (I was on similar levels when I came off both times and had been off of heroin for about the same length of time = ~36 hours)
The next time, I was in a residential treatment center in Malibu. I took either 6 or 8 mg the first day, had some unpleasant w/d's, but no worse than when I took 28.
Anyone have a clue as to what's up with that? (I was on similar levels when I came off both times and had been off of heroin for about the same length of time = ~36 hours)
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Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
There's a big difference between 2mg and 8mg. But, there's a comparatively smaller difference between 8mg and 28mg.
The dose/response curve of buprenorphine is very unique.
CaliburX
Greenlighter
Okay, I'm currently in the process of reading this whole thing, and I'm sure the answers to the following questions I'm going to ask are going to be in this beast of a thread somewhere, but I figured I could post the questions now and wait the wait of getting some responses while reading through this whole thing. Regardless, I apologize in advance for possibly asking questions which may be covered multiple times throughout the thread.
Let's see -- without getting into my full-blown history too much, I'm 22 years old and work as a freelance writer (for the most part) and have a beautiful 19 month old baby girl. Now, I've always done my best to pay the bills and such before getting my fix and shit, but thankfully (and also unfortunately I suppose) my girlfriend has a pretty good job in which she's able to bail us out when I frequently am only to come up with like 70% of my "half" of the total bills. The other 30% goes towards any opiates I can get my hands on, whether they be Oxy's, Perk blueberries, I got some morphine pills a couple of weeks ago because there was nothing else around, etc. etc. To make a long story short, I've been using opiates consistently for nearly five years now and no matter what I've tried to do I CANNOT stop taking them. Now, I don't have like a three-Oxy-a-day habit or anything, but I do them pretty consistently and it's DEFINITELY become a strain on my responsibilities of paying the bills and properly supporting my daughter. I've also delved in the uberly-dangerous world of poppy pods and suffered from a ridiculously high tolerance because of it (they're great -- but if you get high off an Oxy 80mg now, expect to have to take at LEAST two to feel anything after a few weeks of pod dosing). It's definitely not something I'm proud of but I guess, luckily, it hit a catalyst which I will get to very shortly. Actually, fuck it, I'll get to it now (warning: the following description is not for the faint of heart/squeamish regarding injuries):
I was fiending so bad yesterday that I came thiiiiiiiiiis close from just taking money out of my girlfriends account secretly -- but I didn't want to deal with the shitstorm of fall out that was going to occur from doing such a thing (plus I really didn't want to hurt her anymore I suppose). So, NATURALLY, and by naturally I mean that this scares the fucking SHIT out of my when I look back on it in somewhat sane (I guess?) retrospect -- I figured I'd smash my finger in with a hammer so I could go to the ER and get some opiates legally! Yes, seriously. I know it sounds ridiculously dumb now, but at the time (last night) it was like a fucking Einstein idea. I was so excited (if a bit weary of the pain to come)
So, I took a hammer, took my CD/DVD-ROM that I had laying around from my old laptop (to use as the "excuse" as why I was using a hammer at 10:30 at night -- and no, this made no sense either) and went into my living room. I placed my hand on a hard wooden chair and had at it.
Now, I've never broken anything, so I was waiting for some type of excruciating pain to occur. I slammed the hammer down on my finger the first time to no avail. It hurt, but there sure as shit wasn't anything broken. So, I gritted my teeth, closed my eyes and tried to imagine the glorious moment of me sitting in on a ER hospital bed and maybe having a completely shattered finger and receiving some IV Dilaudid or something for the ride to the pharmacy to pick up whatever. With this literally like -- the happiest thought possible in my fucked up and dependent little universe, I brought the hammer down a second time to much more pain and a few thoughts shooting across my mind that I'm a fucking idiot -- which were quickly shot down and replaced by the aforementioned Candy Land dream thoughts and the prospect of someone actually asking me, "Sir, would you be against some IV pain relief?"
At this point my finger fucking hurt like a mother fucker but I was pretty sure it still wasn't broken, although I'd hoped I'd gotten some hairline fractures or something but just to be sure, I slammed the hammer quickly down once again for good measure. Even more pain and some instant swelling and what looked like my knuckle starting to press through my skin were a beautiful sight to my pathetic eyes. Sigh...
Suffice to say, although I probably broke some blood vessels and maybe got a small hairline fracture, my girlfriend refused to take me to the ER because I could still move the finger and it obviously "wasn't broken". After yelling at her about how she thinks she's a fucking medical ER doctor but instead knows absolutely nothing, I took some multi-symptom Tylenol for the actual pain and pouted my way to sleep (I was going to drive myself, but didn't want to pass up on any IV painkillers because I had driven myself).
I woke up this morning with the full intent to do whatever it took to bash my finger in some more until it was broken and force my girlfriend to take me to the ER when she got home from work this afternoon. I was literally searching Google for things like "easiest and quickest way to break your finger with a ball peen hammer". I'm a big believer in everything happening for a reason although I won't get into the whole spiritual/religious aspect of it so not to cause any undue debates. Even though this happened for the reason of me literally being a desperate fiend idiot, I at least have a fairly good sense of humor and have absolutely no problem with making fun of myself. So hopefully down the line and I've maybe been successful with a maintenance program, this can be a great little story that I can tell fellow addicts/ex-addicts who might get a sadistic chuckle or two. I dunno -- probably not but that's what I'm telling myself.
Anyway, I know a fair bit amount about suboxone and think that the aforementioned dumbass story might be just the ticket to show just how damn desperate I am to try something out. I've tried detox and rehab and while AA meetings gave me some fulfillment, once I got on the streets of the real world the call of Mother Opium was just too damn strong. I need to try something else.
My main questions are, should I start trying to call all the Suboxone doctors in my area or should I call the number that says a counselor will help you find a doctor. I was leaning towards that one. And how long does it take to set up an appointment? I'm kind of hoping I can get one today before I do something even more stupid to get some painkillers -- or at least talk to someone with a promise of an appointment tomorrow. Once again, apologies if these questions have been asked before and by ALL means, please feel free to make fun of me for being such an idiot. I'm fully aware that it is not a sane thing to do try and purposely break your finger with a hammer to get some Percocets -- but that's why I'm here.
Thanks for the replies in advance!
(PS: By "I" I mean my cousins, sisters, plumbers dog's FORMER owner. Dudes fucking nuts!)
Let's see -- without getting into my full-blown history too much, I'm 22 years old and work as a freelance writer (for the most part) and have a beautiful 19 month old baby girl. Now, I've always done my best to pay the bills and such before getting my fix and shit, but thankfully (and also unfortunately I suppose) my girlfriend has a pretty good job in which she's able to bail us out when I frequently am only to come up with like 70% of my "half" of the total bills. The other 30% goes towards any opiates I can get my hands on, whether they be Oxy's, Perk blueberries, I got some morphine pills a couple of weeks ago because there was nothing else around, etc. etc. To make a long story short, I've been using opiates consistently for nearly five years now and no matter what I've tried to do I CANNOT stop taking them. Now, I don't have like a three-Oxy-a-day habit or anything, but I do them pretty consistently and it's DEFINITELY become a strain on my responsibilities of paying the bills and properly supporting my daughter. I've also delved in the uberly-dangerous world of poppy pods and suffered from a ridiculously high tolerance because of it (they're great -- but if you get high off an Oxy 80mg now, expect to have to take at LEAST two to feel anything after a few weeks of pod dosing). It's definitely not something I'm proud of but I guess, luckily, it hit a catalyst which I will get to very shortly. Actually, fuck it, I'll get to it now (warning: the following description is not for the faint of heart/squeamish regarding injuries):
I was fiending so bad yesterday that I came thiiiiiiiiiis close from just taking money out of my girlfriends account secretly -- but I didn't want to deal with the shitstorm of fall out that was going to occur from doing such a thing (plus I really didn't want to hurt her anymore I suppose). So, NATURALLY, and by naturally I mean that this scares the fucking SHIT out of my when I look back on it in somewhat sane (I guess?) retrospect -- I figured I'd smash my finger in with a hammer so I could go to the ER and get some opiates legally! Yes, seriously. I know it sounds ridiculously dumb now, but at the time (last night) it was like a fucking Einstein idea. I was so excited (if a bit weary of the pain to come)
So, I took a hammer, took my CD/DVD-ROM that I had laying around from my old laptop (to use as the "excuse" as why I was using a hammer at 10:30 at night -- and no, this made no sense either) and went into my living room. I placed my hand on a hard wooden chair and had at it.
Now, I've never broken anything, so I was waiting for some type of excruciating pain to occur. I slammed the hammer down on my finger the first time to no avail. It hurt, but there sure as shit wasn't anything broken. So, I gritted my teeth, closed my eyes and tried to imagine the glorious moment of me sitting in on a ER hospital bed and maybe having a completely shattered finger and receiving some IV Dilaudid or something for the ride to the pharmacy to pick up whatever. With this literally like -- the happiest thought possible in my fucked up and dependent little universe, I brought the hammer down a second time to much more pain and a few thoughts shooting across my mind that I'm a fucking idiot -- which were quickly shot down and replaced by the aforementioned Candy Land dream thoughts and the prospect of someone actually asking me, "Sir, would you be against some IV pain relief?"
At this point my finger fucking hurt like a mother fucker but I was pretty sure it still wasn't broken, although I'd hoped I'd gotten some hairline fractures or something but just to be sure, I slammed the hammer quickly down once again for good measure. Even more pain and some instant swelling and what looked like my knuckle starting to press through my skin were a beautiful sight to my pathetic eyes. Sigh...
Suffice to say, although I probably broke some blood vessels and maybe got a small hairline fracture, my girlfriend refused to take me to the ER because I could still move the finger and it obviously "wasn't broken". After yelling at her about how she thinks she's a fucking medical ER doctor but instead knows absolutely nothing, I took some multi-symptom Tylenol for the actual pain and pouted my way to sleep (I was going to drive myself, but didn't want to pass up on any IV painkillers because I had driven myself).
I woke up this morning with the full intent to do whatever it took to bash my finger in some more until it was broken and force my girlfriend to take me to the ER when she got home from work this afternoon. I was literally searching Google for things like "easiest and quickest way to break your finger with a ball peen hammer". I'm a big believer in everything happening for a reason although I won't get into the whole spiritual/religious aspect of it so not to cause any undue debates. Even though this happened for the reason of me literally being a desperate fiend idiot, I at least have a fairly good sense of humor and have absolutely no problem with making fun of myself. So hopefully down the line and I've maybe been successful with a maintenance program, this can be a great little story that I can tell fellow addicts/ex-addicts who might get a sadistic chuckle or two. I dunno -- probably not but that's what I'm telling myself.
Anyway, I know a fair bit amount about suboxone and think that the aforementioned dumbass story might be just the ticket to show just how damn desperate I am to try something out. I've tried detox and rehab and while AA meetings gave me some fulfillment, once I got on the streets of the real world the call of Mother Opium was just too damn strong. I need to try something else.
My main questions are, should I start trying to call all the Suboxone doctors in my area or should I call the number that says a counselor will help you find a doctor. I was leaning towards that one. And how long does it take to set up an appointment? I'm kind of hoping I can get one today before I do something even more stupid to get some painkillers -- or at least talk to someone with a promise of an appointment tomorrow. Once again, apologies if these questions have been asked before and by ALL means, please feel free to make fun of me for being such an idiot. I'm fully aware that it is not a sane thing to do try and purposely break your finger with a hammer to get some Percocets -- but that's why I'm here.
Thanks for the replies in advance!
(PS: By "I" I mean my cousins, sisters, plumbers dog's FORMER owner. Dudes fucking nuts!)
Anyone who attempts to break their own hand in an attempt to obtain opiates has got a problem. My question is: at your age, and from your story, it sounds like you have never seriously attempted to get clean. Rather than seeking suboxone, you should be seeking help for your addictions. There are numerous options that should be attempted before considering ORT. Detoxing in a controlled environment, followed by counseling would be a good starting point. There are numerous help lines for addiction specialists, but first you should call your insurer.
A detox center may use suboxone, but simply withdrawing from use without appropriate support and education will only be a temporary "solution". Getting clean and staying that way is not easy and you'll need all the help you can get. Contact someone knowledgeable, be honest about your situation, and follow their advice.
A detox center may use suboxone, but simply withdrawing from use without appropriate support and education will only be a temporary "solution". Getting clean and staying that way is not easy and you'll need all the help you can get. Contact someone knowledgeable, be honest about your situation, and follow their advice.
boodha
Bluelighter
^cool story bro,
well, i really should post more on this board. but i'm postive my time will come.
but, one easy question that has not been 100% answered for me,
buprenorphine in the form Temgesic, snorted, how bad for your nasal passage is this ?
and, prolly something i shouldnt ask, but Temgesic 0.3mg injectable vials, it says IM or IV
this also works if squirted up your nose(yeah, it really does) but, how much of a waste is this ? compared to snorting the crushed up pure(on the box chorlhydrate de buprenorphine:0.215mg) pills.
well, i really should post more on this board. but i'm postive my time will come.
but, one easy question that has not been 100% answered for me,
buprenorphine in the form Temgesic, snorted, how bad for your nasal passage is this ?
and, prolly something i shouldnt ask, but Temgesic 0.3mg injectable vials, it says IM or IV
this also works if squirted up your nose(yeah, it really does) but, how much of a waste is this ? compared to snorting the crushed up pure(on the box chorlhydrate de buprenorphine:0.215mg) pills.
boodha
Bluelighter
kind of agree, from the Original post, he never really goes into withdrawals(discusing it), i was reading waiting to hear how bad the withdrawals are, which justifies his use by not getting sick, really seriously not to judge, it kind of sounded like you wanted bupe to continue using easily.
but i know fuck all and am the last person you should take advice/listen to.
and hell, if your gunna use, it may aswell be safe and cheap, so good luck bro
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CaliburX
Greenlighter
Thank you for your reply, but I've already been to a detox, a thirty-day program complete with counseling, methadone weaning, and shitty sandwiches for dinner. I also tried to detox and abstain from home with the help of a sponsor and 2-3 AA meetings a day. That lasted about a month before I said fuck it and drove to Candytown to pick up some opiates. If it makes it any different, I'll be 23 next week -- not that this lends any credence to the fact that I'm older or wiser than I was at 22 -- but I'm knowledgeable about all the options for rehabs and such. My mothers been sober for 14 years from alcohol with the help of a detox and AA but my brothers been into and out of practically every halfway house in the South Shore of Massachusetts over the past 10 years for opiate addiction as well. He's neverr tried maintenance and it seems like a vicious, constantly revolving cycle.
I tried the non-maintenance way multiple times. It didn't work. Now it's time to try something else (I think).
Regardless of our differing opinions though, thank you very much for your reply and advice. It is much appreciated.
lorcomonster
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for some reason I can not access page 32 i keep clicking it but it wont let me go past 31 so i cant see any of the new posts!
can anyone help me?
thanks!
can anyone help me?
thanks!
lorcomonster
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k thanks for the replies. ok but one question i didnt get answered is
DOES bupe have effects BEYOND the ceiling dose (32mg) in SOME-OR-ALL people? like the cat taking 6 a day or the cat shooting 3 a day?
also one last thing-you say 24 mg bupe IV isequal to 80 mg buperenorphine?
how does that work?? when the bioavail for bupe is 100 percent IV'd so youd be getting EXACTLY 24 mg--NOT 80 mg.
oh wait-SORRY captain heroin!!!! I get you now. you meant that shooting 24 mg would be equiv to SUBLINGUL 80 mg.
but yeah I know people who do it and again, one of my closest friends on earth SWEARS up and down that he needs 6 pills a day which is 48 mg.
is the ceiling jsut WAY different for everyone?
or is he wasting 3 or 4 of his bupes?
or does bupe actualy have effect beyond 32 mg-just that the effect is not Mu agonist effect?
DOES bupe have effects BEYOND the ceiling dose (32mg) in SOME-OR-ALL people? like the cat taking 6 a day or the cat shooting 3 a day?
also one last thing-you say 24 mg bupe IV isequal to 80 mg buperenorphine?
how does that work?? when the bioavail for bupe is 100 percent IV'd so youd be getting EXACTLY 24 mg--NOT 80 mg.
oh wait-SORRY captain heroin!!!! I get you now. you meant that shooting 24 mg would be equiv to SUBLINGUL 80 mg.
but yeah I know people who do it and again, one of my closest friends on earth SWEARS up and down that he needs 6 pills a day which is 48 mg.
is the ceiling jsut WAY different for everyone?
or is he wasting 3 or 4 of his bupes?
or does bupe actualy have effect beyond 32 mg-just that the effect is not Mu agonist effect?
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