Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[StaffWriter]

Well...that's not exactly true. That's what the intake process is for (if you don't get a COWS score high enough you're not getting Suboxone)...plus you don't need a UA to figure out if someone's legitimately coming down or not.

Actually, my doctor did not do an intake process with me. I filled out some paperwork, discussed what drugs I used and how often and we talked about getting sober and starting on the sub. In fact, I was probably clean of opiates on the intake, as I was not able to get anything leading up to the day I had the appointment. I'm a clean, upper middle class female who has never IV'ed, so I don't know if he could tell through observation on whether I was an addict or not. But discussing my 10-year opiate habit from hydro to fent, he prescribed #60 8mg suboxone and #60 1mg Klonopin. I guess anyone willing to pony up $205 for the "intake" is probably serious about their addiction. Sorry about the double post. My apologies.

 

[PetSMiLE]

I'd love to get off of Sub and just use when craving comes about. But this drug is about 5 to 8 times more potent than I initially realized and I am worse off than when I started. I am either looking at lifetime use OR a slow taper but even .5 mg seems hard to jump at (I'm a HUGE WD pussy and have many, many responsibilities that require me to be on the top of my game). Has anyone made a stable solution?

I completely identify with this dilemma ... after over 15 years of drug use (speedballing was/is my drug of choice) I've been on sub maintenace for the last 7 months roughly and even though I've managed to taper down to 2-4 mg/day (Subutex) I can't see myself getting truly clean, after these 7 months I still have overwhelming cravings whenever I try not to use my Sub dose ...in short , I have a strong feeling that all I've done was to exchange one addiction for another (which is already a great thing,at least from a financial viewpoint since I was spending well over 80Euros/day on both coke and H) ,basically what you were saying about contemplating "lifetime use" with all the cons that come with it...people who say they feel "normal" on subutex must be either on deep denial or they've lost something very important somewhere along the way...Subutex is absolutely mood altering and I have this feeling that the consequences of longterm use can prove to be every bit as nocive as with any other full agonist out there... don't get me wrong though ,there's a part of me which agrees with those who see this pharm as a "lifesaver" since all of we have witnessed exactly where a H (to name but one) habit can lead to ... sometimes I just wish I had more hope of ever feeling really normal again without having to use any chemical as a crutch to get me through the day .

I would recommend at least giving it a shot... try using kratom when in subutex WD to ween yourself down. Experiencing a little bupe blockage at the beginning is possible, but kratom is cheap. I find kratom to be *key* for getting off of a bupe taper. Since you aren't used to the kratom you can use that for a few weeks at the lowest dose needed (gotta ween off the kratom remember!) and jumping off the kratom regime shouldn't be too bad with the help of benzos and/or clonidine.

You can definitely detox this way... whether u stay clean while not having that subutex shield is another story. If after a while u still feel like something is missing and need an opiate, just get back on the subutex rather than turn to dope. Some people got addicted to opiates in the first place trying to self-medicate for depression, these people might be better off staying on buprenophine.

If you find you can't kick the Subutex, don't get down about it... I'd just look at it like you're taking a daily medication just like anybody else who gets an Rx from their doctor. Who cares what ppl think?

 

[kuromi5]

General Question Regarding Suboxone...

Let me sum this up really quick, I just joined and I'm not really familiar with how to post properly so this isn't going to look right anyway, my question: I am prescribed suboxone which I don't like to take reguarly as much as I have to. My only problem is that I am force fed the subs. I was wondering if I instead just swallow the sub, will I still be able to get high without having to wait until my sub wears off?
I heard through the grapevine that if you swallow it and not put it directly under your tounge that it will not work properly, is this true? I'm just wondering because I have shit and want to get high, but I'm afraid to just yet because I just took my sub and I definitley don't want to waste it.

Thanks guys & girls!!!

xoxo kuromi5

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

so ur prescribed suboxone for what reason? because if its for withdrawals than u dont need them cuz ur swallowing it, making only sum of the drug to absorb (under 10% i think) compared to 50% "under the tounge"

 

[pallidamors]

Let me sum this up really quick, I just joined and I'm not really familiar with how to post properly so this isn't going to look right anyway, my question: I am prescribed suboxone which I don't like to take reguarly as much as I have to. My only problem is that I am force fed the subs. I was wondering if I instead just swallow the sub, will I still be able to get high without having to wait until my sub wears off?
I heard through the grapevine that if you swallow it and not put it directly under your tounge that it will not work properly, is this true? I'm just wondering because I have shit and want to get high, but I'm afraid to just yet because I just took my sub and I definitley don't want to waste it.

Thanks guys & girls!!!

xoxo kuromi5

if you swallow the sub, it won't really absorb. maybe some of it will, but probably not enough to outcompete other opiates...athough i still think that what you're possibly going to attempt is a dumb idea. i mean arent you on subs to get OFF of other shit?

 

[HighonLife]

Yeah, I picked up a card at my doctor's office with the info. I have not called the "sobriety coach" or whatever the hell they call themselves, but I did sign up for the e-mail version, where they drop tidbits of information on other ways of working on your sobriety. Is it helpful? Probably, to those who don't already know much about addiction therapy. For me? It's probably just common sense. What exactly is your question?

well i dont have any specific questions as of right now i just wanted to know what others thought of them. the reason being is because they are funded/started by the manufacturers of suboxone and i am just paranoid/interested to know whether or not their main goal is genuine and that it truly is to help the individual and puts the individuals interest first 100% but i am skeptical b/c of thier affiliation with the manufactrers of this drug if that is infact the case or if thier motives my be driven to A. prevent abuse of thier drug B. for them to know how people use thier medication in order to better protect thier own asses

i guess in a nut shell my main question is to those with experience with this Hotline do you feel that thier motives are for the addict or for the company that employs them

 

[BoSoxMole]

I'm sure this is a question that has been asked before, but I searched the forum and didn't see an answer.

I take Suboxone right now and am going to run out before my next appointment. My friend gave me one of his 8mg Subutex tablets so I don't go thru any withdrawals.

Can I mix the two? And if I don't mix, will I feel a difference between an 8mg Suboxone tablet and a 8mg subutex tablet?

Thanks in advance.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

anymore advise?

so ive talked to him today... he took his last dose of 20 roxies (600mgs) this morning, it lasts him 24hrs~ of no WDs...

how much suboxone should he take tomorrow and how long should he wait, he says last time he had a 300mg habit he tryd using subs to get off but he got in precip WDs after waiting 26hrs to take subs... what should he do?

experts needed please

and KNOWBUDZ, i got budz lol... but how sure are u, cuz if thats not the case than how else would it work, why do people get scripted more than others who have higher tolerances... i mean 600mgs is a lot A LOT, hes gonna have to take more than normal peeps with a 100mgs tolerance or leess

This sounds very odd to me ,when I was doing gear at times I'd do over 1 gram(H) and come next day (maximum 12 hours after having had my last H hit) as soon as I'd start feeling sick I'd do the Subutex and it NEVER ever has this procedure sent me into precipitated withdrawals ... I wouldn't know much about "roxies" cause we don't have them in here but I'd assume 1 gram of half decent H should rival the amount you're referring to in your post ,and as I said above I never felt ,not even slightly, sick after doing this ...this leads me to believe that one truly doesn't need to be in any state of withdrawls in order to do Subs,then again I might be wrong ... I wonder what do other people have to say about this matter.

 

[Brose]

I'm sure this is a question that has been asked before, but I searched the forum and didn't see an answer.

I take Suboxone right now and am going to run out before my next appointment. My friend gave me one of his 8mg Subutex tablets so I don't go thru any withdrawals.

Can I mix the two? And if I don't mix, will I feel a difference between an 8mg Suboxone tablet and a 8mg subutex tablet?

Thanks in advance.

Youll be fine, they work exactly the same.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Actually, my doctor did not do an intake process with me. I filled out some paperwork, discussed what drugs I used and how often and we talked about getting sober and starting on the sub. In fact, I was probably clean of opiates on the intake, as I was not able to get anything leading up to the day I had the appointment. I'm a clean, upper middle class female who has never IV'ed, so I don't know if he could tell through observation on whether I was an addict or not. But discussing my 10-year opiate habit from hydro to fent, he prescribed #60 8mg suboxone and #60 1mg Klonopin. I guess anyone willing to pony up $205 for the "intake" is probably serious about their addiction. Sorry about the double post. My apologies.

No problem about the double post.

I'm surprised they didn't do an intake and he just prescribed you drugs. My doctor did a few things (monitored vitals), then prescribed me a few 2mg pills, so as to see if I would be allergic, etc. I brought the 2mg pills back to his office, and had one. Within 30 minutes I was clearly doing so much better - I could feel all the horrible things about WD slowly diminish a lot. It was a beautiful thing. I go home, and come back the next day - that's when I got my first #60 8mg. The next time I came in I was bumped down to #30 8mg.

It's interesting you also got #60 1mg clonazepam. If a doctor prescribed me clonazepam at this point in my life I'd just say "no thank you".

If you find you can't kick the Subutex, don't get down about it... I'd just look at it like you're taking a daily medication just like anybody else who gets an Rx from their doctor. Who cares what ppl think?

Well put. I wouldn't mind being on buprenorphine indefinitely. It's a very nice thing for me.

Let me sum this up really quick, I just joined and I'm not really familiar with how to post properly so this isn't going to look right anyway, my question: I am prescribed suboxone which I don't like to take reguarly as much as I have to. My only problem is that I am force fed the subs. I was wondering if I instead just swallow the sub, will I still be able to get high without having to wait until my sub wears off?
I heard through the grapevine that if you swallow it and not put it directly under your tounge that it will not work properly, is this true? I'm just wondering because I have shit and want to get high, but I'm afraid to just yet because I just took my sub and I definitley don't want to waste it.

Thanks guys & girls!!!

xoxo kuromi5

You're force fed Suboxone? By whom? How old are you?

If you swallow it, you'll still get 10% of your dose. How much Suboxone do you take?

I could always get high about 6-8 hours after my Suboxone dose with no problem, even when taken sublingually.

so ur prescribed suboxone for what reason? because if its for withdrawals than u dont need them cuz ur swallowing it, making only sum of the drug to absorb (under 10% i think) compared to 50% "under the tounge"

The sublingual BA varies, but averages around 30%.

I'm sure this is a question that has been asked before, but I searched the forum and didn't see an answer.

I take Suboxone right now and am going to run out before my next appointment. My friend gave me one of his 8mg Subutex tablets so I don't go thru any withdrawals.

Can I mix the two? And if I don't mix, will I feel a difference between an 8mg Suboxone tablet and a 8mg subutex tablet?

Thanks in advance.

You'll get the same effect out of both Suboxone and Subutex. You can mix them or take them separately.

You shouldn't feel a difference.

...this leads me to believe that one truly doesn't need to be in any state of withdrawls in order to do Subs,then again I might be wrong ... I wonder what do other people have to say about this matter.

I think 24-36 hours for heroin use is a good time to take Suboxone. 8 to 12 would be a minimum. I think it depends largely on ROA. Snorting heroin lasts longer than shooting or smoking it.

 

[OEandricearoni]

Hey i have a question. I did a bit of searching but i couldn't really find an answer. How long does it take for your opiate tolerance to significantly go down after you quit taking suboxone? I haven't taken suboxone in 5 days now. I know it will probably be a while longer until my tolerance is completely gone, but I'd just like to know the average amount of time it takes for your tolerance to be significantly reduced. I was taking 2-3 milligrams a day for the last month i was taking it. If you have any info about this, your input would be appreciated.

 

[bang that shit]

Hey all Im just poking my head in to give a quick update. after a bit of a H binge at the end of september withdrawing and feeling horrible and depressed in general I went to the depression unit at the hospital were i spent 3 days and reworked my meds. I got on 16mg of subs and just recently switched to 8mg of suboxone. As the sexual side effects were alot with 16 and when i took 8 in the morning and 8 at night instead of 16 in the morning i noticed no different effects.

I am quite happy with 8mg

I still do use once a week. but im very religious with it. I force myself to take the sub every morning exept like every saturday or a sunday, usually a weekend after iv done all my work il skip a dose and use dope or OC. and im pretty proud of this as iv been keeping to this 5 weeks now. Ideally i should stop using opiate together, but im at a good pace... they arent controlling my life, im doing great and school and in general feeling good. And I still have something to look foward to once a week... sort of a treat.

also much of the sexual side effects are gone now that im on 8mg

 

[Brose]

Well put. I wouldn't mind being on buprenorphine indefinitely. It's a very nice thing for me.

same here. being on sub has allowed me to have a life for the past 2 years.

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

to anyone who was follwoing my thread that got rudly put into here, haha jk mods....my friend ended up extracting 24 7.5/750 vicodens and he said hes feeling fine now and he was WDing b4 he drank it but hardly...

how long do u think this will last him?

my previous thread said he had a 600mg a day habit (oxycodone) which lasts him about 24hrs...

 

[OpiatesRus]

Well fello Blers I'm proudly to say that i'm on day six of no Pain Meds. This is crazy great for me. I'm now on suboxone and i swear its a miracle drug. My girlfriend likes them and i hate to seethem leave my box almost get pissed about it she thinks she gets high from it.
And Hell the reason i'm on them is Its def. time in my life where i have to get off opiates. I lucky acquired 15 8mg subs. I'm going to try to make this all i need. If i think i need more i might be able to get more or go to the doc.
But on
DAY 1
I was going through some terrible withdrawls and didn't have any pain meds for 40 hrs. i think and had these subs. waiting for me. So, I was shitting, sweeting, clammy feeling the whole nine yards you guys know that deal. Well i said its def. time to try these subs. that i have never taken before in my life.
I have heard people used them to get high and i heard people are buying these 8mg of sub for like 30 to 40$ thats crazy...
I took 4 mg of sub in the morning around 10am. and at 12pm I wasn't sweeting shitting i didn't even have to take any poo poo pills to stop the shitts hsahahahaha then came around 8 pm i took 2 mg xtra to get through the night.
DAY 2
Woke up felt ok then took 4mg. feeling great thinking damn this sub. shit is GOLD. later on the day i took 1 mg more
DAY 3
i popped out of bed like i was on opiates but not. I had so soooo much energy it was like someone fed me a 80 in my sleep hahha.
Day 4.
Sub 4mg. in the morning and the day goes by wonderful. My damn sweetlady wants me to give her one again. I start getting ill bc i'm the one with the damn pain problem and then she starts with i'm trying to get off of them too. But earlier she tells me that she doesn't have a pain prob hers is xanax. So, I say Y in the hell are you wanting my subs. This is killin me that she is taking my gold bars so after she is bitching and complaining about to fucking cry i give her 3 mgs. she says that give her a headache and she needs 4 mgs. thats fucking weird.
Day 5
Didn't think about doing a pain pill just took 3mg. of sub.
and
1 before bed.
Today....
Day 6...
I now have 6 subs left 8mg ones. I took 4 mgs this morning don't know y i did 4mgs it was kind of dumb but i'm feeling great now and Its weird i'm fucking itching like I am on pain meds again. Don't get me wrong I love the itch.
And its making my head feel a lil floaty i'm digging that also.
I forgot to add I have been taking 2 mg. xanax everyday for these 6 days.
I'm so happy about sub. But i'm thinking of a tapering off schedule
TELL ME IF THIS SHOULD WORK my fellow bluelighters. I love you guys no shit
Been on here for a long time. longer than my profile says by three years.
Ok if i have 40mg of sub left.
should i go to 3mg. for 5 days then 2 for 7 days then 1 for 6days and then maybe do 1/2 of mg. for the remander of the time.

Sorry everyone for my rambling i have read all these pages on here about subs. and just don't want to get hooked on these damn things and have to depend on something else. People say here that they are hard to come of off. This is not sounding good to me.
So, is the schedule somewhat correct for me to do. So, i can kick this pain/sub/allOpiates

Thanks for reading and listing to my problems you guys are great
Peace, Love, *&* KappYness
eat peach for Peace%)%)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey i have a question. I did a bit of searching but i couldn't really find an answer. How long does it take for your opiate tolerance to significantly go down after you quit taking suboxone? I haven't taken suboxone in 5 days now. I know it will probably be a while longer until my tolerance is completely gone, but I'd just like to know the average amount of time it takes for your tolerance to be significantly reduced. I was taking 2-3 milligrams a day for the last month i was taking it. If you have any info about this, your input would be appreciated.

I'm not sure the answer to your question.

However, I normally use 0.8 to 1mg per day (I just tapered to 1/6 MG per dose) - and my opiate tolerance has dropped down pretty low. I'd say it's been this way for a few months. Once I got to 2mg per day or less is when I noticed this.

Maybe your opiate tolerance is that low now? It depends on a few factors.

Hey all Im just poking my head in to give a quick update. after a bit of a H binge at the end of september withdrawing and feeling horrible and depressed in general I went to the depression unit at the hospital were i spent 3 days and reworked my meds. I got on 16mg of subs and just recently switched to 8mg of suboxone. As the sexual side effects were alot with 16 and when i took 8 in the morning and 8 at night instead of 16 in the morning i noticed no different effects.

I am quite happy with 8mg

I still do use once a week. but im very religious with it. I force myself to take the sub every morning exept like every saturday or a sunday, usually a weekend after iv done all my work il skip a dose and use dope or OC. and im pretty proud of this as iv been keeping to this 5 weeks now. Ideally i should stop using opiate together, but im at a good pace... they arent controlling my life, im doing great and school and in general feeling good. And I still have something to look foward to once a week... sort of a treat.

also much of the sexual side effects are gone now that im on 8mg

Good job man. It sounds like you're finally gotten it under control. It's a lot more rewarding to get to use an opiate once per week versus "having" to use it just to feel normal.

I haven't heard of any sexual side effects with Suboxone, but I do imagine a high enough dose could cause them.

to anyone who was follwoing my thread that got rudly put into here, haha jk mods....my friend ended up extracting 24 7.5/750 vicodens and he said hes feeling fine now and he was WDing b4 he drank it but hardly...

how long do u think this will last him?

my previous thread said he had a 600mg a day habit (oxycodone) which lasts him about 24hrs...

No idea really. However, it should definitely serve as a stepping stone to getting off of opiates all together. I would further advise him to potentiate the hydrocodone with antihistamines (benadryl would work, some prefer doxylamine succinate). A low dose benzo would also help out.

Hope that helped. Feel free to keep us updated.

My girlfriend likes them and i hate to seethem leave my box almost get pissed about it she thinks she gets high from it.

She probably does. I get high off of Suboxone, and I only need to use < 0.2mg per dose. Buprenorphine is an awfully potent opiate.

I'm glad you found that it's helping you out. Congratulations man.

 

[pkt]

Getting sick from suboxone?

I have been using buprenorphine for a period of around 4 months, both in the form of subutex and suboxone, during the last 4 weeks i have been switched from subutex to suboxone and i am starting to concern about the possible negative side effects of naloxone?. Since i first started taking suboxone instead of subutex i have beeen getting sick very regularly, vommiting,diahrea,nausea and stomach pains, sometimes they will go on for days where i cant keep anything down, resembling withdrawal symptons but with small pupils and just feeling like i had food posining. I have not abused heroin or any other opiate since i started the program.

There are various articles about suboxone and nausea but i wanted to hear from anyone directly who has experienced any serious similar side effects?

I wish so much an answer as i am travelling again in 1 month and need to be off this shit and it just does not seem to end.

I have once previously succesfully tapered off buprenorphine with no negative side effects, that was SUBUTEX though and now they give me this SUBOXONE bullshit which is just rubbish!

Any replys much appreciated!

Regards,

 

[Cyb]

Was there any change in dose? If so, this may be responsible. The effects of minor overdose of opioids very often resemble those of withdrawal, minus the restlessness and cravings.

There is also the possibility that you are getting sick. Literally sick. As in a virus or bacteria (or fungus or parasite. Or radiation. Or autoimmune.)

In terms of effects Suboxone should == Subutex. It is possible you are experiencing psychosomatic effects.

Or, maybe, you are allergic to naloxone.

Hope you find some answers, and I hope everything works out for you.

PS: Check out the Sub megathreads. Perhaps someone has already talked about similar issues.

-Cy

 

[Pegasus]

IMO it sounds like you're taking too much bupe from your description... Did your dose change at all, or did you take time off... or anything that would cause your tolerance to go down?

 

[cire113]

just remember to spit out the remaining liquid after sublingual absorption thats all the shitty nalaxone which gives me headaches for sure if i swallow..

also maybe try the 6/7 alcohol method...

But Cyb makes a great point...

for me taking too much buprenoprhine is a nauseating nightmare to heell..

Diarrhea doesnt sound opiate related