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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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one good thing to know would be your weight and dosage.. like cyb said you could be getting physically sick. i remember i got the flu and thought it was the suboxone because i took it earlier that day and than got sick later in the day. i was on suboxone from 2007 - 2009 and tapered off it successfully. ive never gotten sick from directly taking it, the first few times i did throw up but the transition from being dopesick to feeling great had something to do with it. do you feel sick when you dont take it? or leading up to taking it? but let us know your dosage and weight that would really help us trouble shoot the problem.
 
cire113 said:
just remember to spit out the remaining liquid after sublingual absorption thats all the shitty nalaxone which gives me headaches for sure if i swallow
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I've never heard that "theory" about naloxone. Not saying it's not true, but it sounds far fetched. Any refrences ?
 
HighonLife said:
well i dont have any specific questions as of right now i just wanted to know what others thought of them. the reason being is because they are funded/started by the manufacturers of suboxone and i am just paranoid/interested to know whether or not their main goal is genuine and that it truly is to help the individual and puts the individuals interest first 100% but i am skeptical b/c of thier affiliation with the manufactrers of this drug if that is infact the case or if thier motives my be driven to A. prevent abuse of thier drug B. for them to know how people use thier medication in order to better protect thier own asses

i guess in a nut shell my main question is to those with experience with this Hotline do you feel that thier motives are for the addict or for the company that employs them
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I never gave a whole lot of thought to A or B. I just thought they were trying to come up with ways to keep brand loyalty. These things didn't come out until it was getting close for the patent to expire. I haven't called the hotline FWIW.
 
Regularly taking buprenorphine can lead to dependence, and cause symptoms you describe. People can also get the same symptoms you are describing from taking too much buprenorphine, or just being on it at all.

I used to vomit taking Suboxone sublingually every day.

It sounds like you should space out your experiences, and try lower doses. You'll still get surprisingly high from it if you space it out right.

-> Suboxone Mega Thread (yes, you can talk about Subutex in the Suboxone Mega Thread)
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Opiates themselves can cause headaches. Buprenorphine doesn't react very well for some individuals, whereas others love it. (I love buprenorphine and would buy a bumpersticker to represent my passion for this opiate). <3
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I was just talkin about the whole naloxone is in your spit things. I know a few people that get bad headaches from bupe, so bad that they refuse to take it now. I myself have never experienced this, and am a fellow lover of <3buprenorphine<3
 
OEandricearoni said:
I was just talkin about the whole naloxone is in your spit things. I know a few people that get bad headaches from bupe, so bad that they refuse to take it now. I myself have never experienced this, and am a fellow lover of <3buprenorphine<3
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I wish I could explain it any better than the hunch that it's an individual reaction/possible allergy to buprenorphine.

I more often get headaches with K, not bupe. That's just me though.
 
I'm going to keep posting my days on here also.
Now
DAY 7 and its happy Turkey day to ALL :)
i woke up this morrning eat breakfest with the fam. It would be no way to do this w/out the suboxone that i have been on. I'm very thankful for that drug wow.
but its 9 am in the morning and i have never felt so good being sober.
Peace to all have a great day everybody.
Peace, Love, *&* KappYness
 
I've never heard that "theory" about naloxone. Not saying it's not true, but it sounds far fetched. Any refrences ?
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this is just my experience,, Whenever i swallow all that extra shit after sublingual absorption i get headaches it went away when i spit it out.. ..

Ive talked to other people who have had same experience..(who hold similiar theory)

It has helped my sub headaches go away..


BUt honestly what is the point of swallowing it if you dont have to
 
hi i have been meaning to share some "oh i finally got it smack on the head feeling" in reguards to suboxone, first i have been on bupe for over a yr and a half, both subutex and suboxone, the tex while pregnant, i would like to say there isnt any real difference i have noticed but most everyone knows that,
but i want to just kind of reiterate on what i have been reading in here and for most of the internet for that matter, i finally got less is more,
i wanted really bad to trust my doctor but when he kept trying to make me go higher on my dose instead of lower, when he wouldnt let me come just monthly after a yr of clean urines, i finally decided to start looking for a new doctor by the way,
anywho i have a new doctor and he prescribed me sub as well as clonidine and vistiril , well i kind of knew that visitirl would be a potentiator so i decided to finally cut my dose down and wow holy shit i started feeling pretty good, and then i cut myself all the way down from twenty four mgs to eight mgs without any withdrawal actually oposite i started to feel my bupe,
wishing now i wasnt so hard headed for so long, i have been reading in here for along time about less is more and i just couldnt wrap my mind around that, plus my doctor kept saying that was bullshit (yeah he is saying that all the way to the bank)
the point i am trying to make is thankyou all so much for this forum for almost three mths now i feel good almost every damm day, i want to decrease to like four mgs soon but am a little nervous, but all this time i have been feeling really shitty from bupe thinking this shit dont work but to afraid to quit it, i see now i had myself sick from way to much bupe,
also i found that if i only take my clonidine once or twice a week with my bupe i actually get pretty good not like heroin but good, i cant do it all the time or tolerance will happen but it is awesome i feel good everyday and once or twice a week i feel real good,
not that my opinion means much, but i am just sharing my experience in the hopes that some hardhead like me might say hmmmm lets try this,
i no longer think bupe sucks i am very happy with it, more so than i ever was on like five yrs of methadone, who would have ever thunk a junkie like me would have a bunch of pills left over in her script every month
thanks for listening to me ramble and thanks to bluelight
 
The "best" dose for anyone is the lowest one that keeps them comfortable and free of cravings. I haven't heard of many docs who encourage dose increases, unless the patient's behavior and/or complaints merit one.
 
OpiatesRus said:
DAY 7 and its happy Turkey day to ALL :)
i woke up this morrning eat breakfest with the fam. It would be no way to do this w/out the suboxone that i have been on. I'm very thankful for that drug wow.
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I'm glad you're feeling better already man. Buprenorphine really is a miracle for many of us.

Enjoy your dinner tonight, and feel free to keep us updated with your success. :D

ashla said:
anywho i have a new doctor and he prescribed me sub as well as clonidine and vistiril , well i kind of knew that visitirl would be a potentiator so i decided to finally cut my dose down and wow holy shit i started feeling pretty good, and then i cut myself all the way down from twenty four mgs to eight mgs without any withdrawal actually oposite i started to feel my bupe,
wishing now i wasnt so hard headed for so long, i have been reading in here for along time about less is more and i just couldnt wrap my mind around that, plus my doctor kept saying that was bullshit (yeah he is saying that all the way to the bank)
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I'm glad you've tapered down! It's OK that you were on a higher dose of bupe for a while. Sometimes people need higher doses because of a high tolerance, or for the blockade effect buprenorphine has.

I know what you mean that it's "hard to wrap your head around 'less is more' " - some people I know still don't think it's true.

When I finally started tapering with buprenorphine, I got a lot better effect out of it (more positive feeling, less sedating/nauseating) and I also started to have a lower opiate tolerance as well.

the point i am trying to make is thankyou all so much for this forum for almost three mths now i feel good almost every damm day, i want to decrease to like four mgs soon but am a little nervous, but all this time i have been feeling really shitty from bupe thinking this shit dont work but to afraid to quit it, i see now i had myself sick from way to much bupe,
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No problem! Don't be nervous about tapering lower - because you can always take more if you need it. That's how I felt about it - and I've tapered down pretty low now (I take around 0.8mg to 1mg per day).

But yeah, I do feel "shitty" from too much of it - I get ancy/edgy, frustrated, really just feel like scratching off the outer layer of epidermis on my whole body just to make the agitatedness go away. Whenever I get a "just right" dose of buprenorphine it's really great though.

What you said "for almost 3 months now I feel good almost every damn day" - that really did touch me, it took me a while to "feel good every day" again but when I got there I was so surprised that "less is more" too.

I'm really glad you've discovered the "right dose" for yourself, it sounds like you're doing really well for yourself. Congratulations!

also i found that if i only take my clonidine once or twice a week with my bupe i actually get pretty good not like heroin but good, i cant do it all the time or tolerance will happen but it is awesome i feel good everyday and once or twice a week i feel real good,
not that my opinion means much, but i am just sharing my experience in the hopes that some hardhead like me might say hmmmm lets try this,
i no longer think bupe sucks i am very happy with it, more so than i ever was on like five yrs of methadone, who would have ever thunk a junkie like me would have a bunch of pills left over in her script every month
thanks for listening to me ramble and thanks to bluelight
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:D I'm really happy for you. I never thought I'd have a bunch of pills left over on my script either. I am really happy with buprenorphine too.

Feel free to PM me or post more in the thread - I really do enjoy reading your posts. Plus, the more success stories we have for Suboxone/Subutex, the happier I am for us all. Other people's stories help me out a lot when I have days that aren't stellar.

Talk to you later, and take care! %)
 
thanks captain and everyone else, i am really happy now i will msg you soon when i get chance i have a little five mth old on my hip so i try to get done what i can

oh and above poster who said about doctors wanting to lower your dose that isnt always the case if doctors make alot of money from suboxone patience (i paid cash for my appts) why ould they want to bring you down lower , there isnt that thirty patient thing anymore and more doctors are prescribing it so doctors try to marry patients like me
this happens in done clinics as well, most people do not need more than eighty mgs and at the height of my methadone habit was on 200 mgs and weighing one twenty eight pds soaking wet,
also doctors get benefits or gifts if you want to call it that from the pharma companies

but i finally have a doc who does take insurance and he is a phsych doc as well so i am lucky because he prescribes me my meds for my other problems as well and i know i dont have to take what is prescribed just because it says that much on the bottle

its nice to be back here at blue light i love reading everyones msgs and i am glad to see people do well like you captain heroin i love your posts as well

for me when i finally accepted i wasnt gonna get high of suboxone and i stopped trying is when i did start feeling good, god to think i havent shot drugs in almost three yrs about i look at my infant also and am so damm happy and know i am on the right path and cant believe a junkie like me could be a good mom. i am also fighting to get my older ones back and i am getting them alot more now so suboxone rocks at least for me, when i was on done i still was in that old enviroment and ended up with a benzo and coke habit as well, and when i wasnt doing coke or benzo's i slept twenty hours a day

oh sorry this is so long, but i also want to tell anyone who is interested or knows anyone, i had a baby on methadone and one on subutex, and although methadone is more acceptable and doctors try to prescribe it over subutex my son who i just had on sub didnt have hardly any withdrawal symptoms and didnt need medication, my son who i used methadone with did go through withdrawal and needed phenabarb, and my best friend who has been on done for about eight yrs got pregnant she is on a lower dose like sixty mgs, she had her son two weeks ago and he is still in the nicicu and he shook so bad his second day alive the crib moved the nurses told her,

not that i think any drug is good when your pregnant for most heroin addicts or people on sub or methadone coming of off them is not an option so it is medication or abortion for many and i have sent all my information into a study they are doing to make subutex the first line drug for heroin addicts instead of methadone,

ok thats enough rambling for tonite i guess i just felt like talking with you all after spending a day with the family lol happy thanksgiving all
 
ok so my friend has been taking ~30 7.5mg hydrocodone a day and hes about to run out and has about 6 suboxone (8mg)...

i know u need to wait well over 24hrs to dose subafter coming off of 600mg a day of oxy..now that hes "only" been takin ~200mgs of hydrocodone a day, do u think he can take the sub 12 hrs after his last dose of 120mg hydrocodone (CWEd so prob 100mgs) or

how long should he wait cuz idk if he can make it 24hrs but then again i dont want him going thru precip WDs, and how long would the precip WDs last cuz iv heard1-2 hours and ive heard 24-72 hours.
 
PillPoppingAnimal said:
ok so my friend has been taking ~30 7.5mg hydrocodone a day and hes about to run out and has about 6 suboxone (8mg)...

i know u need to wait well over 24hrs to dose subafter coming off of 600mg a day of oxy..now that hes "only" been takin ~200mgs of hydrocodone a day, do u think he can take the sub 12 hrs after his last dose of 120mg hydrocodone (CWEd so prob 100mgs) or

how long should he wait cuz idk if he can make it 24hrs but then again i dont want him going thru precip WDs, and how long would the precip WDs last cuz iv heard1-2 hours and ive heard 24-72 hours.
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For the amount of hydrocodone he's been taking, I would stress at least 12 hours after the high is gone, not after the dose.

12 hours is pushing it a bit - if he can make it 18 or 24 hours, he's nearly in the clear (though some ppl will have precipitated WD's at that point).

I would say 12 is OK but 18-24 is more ideal. If he can only tough out 13 or 14 hours, he should be fine.

You can always take a small amount of Suboxone to gauge how it's going to react so as to prevent taking a lot of Suboxone.

If he is struggling waiting that long, see if he can get any benzos or OTC antihistamines (diphenhydramine hcl -> benadryl, or doxylamine succinate) - these can help you sleep into the 18 to 24 hour window.

The idea is when you're in the middle of the WD's, (not half way through them but in the middle of the horribleness of it all) you should be OK to take Suboxone. If I have felt the WD's (not just two or three symptoms but ALL of them when they're very pronounced), taking Suboxone never hurt.
 
ok so now my friend has taken around 15~mgs of suboxone about 16 hrs after his last dose of ~200mg hydrocodone (no prec. WD)...

he said hes fine just the only thing now, he says hes never had such a bad case of the RLS bullshit...

how to cure restless leg syndrome?
 
If you can get any benzos they will REALLY help with RLS

The suboxone should be taking care of the RLS though. Maybe a slightly higher dose of suboxone if benzos arent available. But try to take the smallest effective dose of sub that you can.
 
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