Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[Eight0Eight]

Is that what you are doing - 300mg oxy per day?

I thought you had no habit - thats the impression I got anyway.

There is no such thing as a 12mg Subutex. I started on 12mg and was getting an 8mg and 4mg pill per day. And yeah, it was enough to hold me and I was easily doing the equal of 300mg oxy in Heroin (7/8 bags (0.2grams each) a day).

If you put an 8mg subutex under your tounge without a habit, I would be VERY suprised if you didn't end up dead or in a very bad way in hospital.

Fucking around with sub with no habit, isn't much differeny to fucking around with fentynal (sp?)..

 

[KnowBudz]

There is nothing in the guidelines about proving you're an addict. Given the expense, I doubt many folks would seek to obtain suboxone without needing it. You'll have an H&P and probably a drug test. In the old days, however, methdone clinics were known for the "narcan challenge", where they'd force you to take a dose of narcan....another shining example of government-run, "drug war" bullshit at its best!

 

[Eight0Eight]

Why would they make you take narcain?

To make sure you where an addict? That fucking sucks.
That *might* have been enough to STOP me even going to get help. The idea of swallowing narcain isn't much different to a vampire being asked to stick a bulb of garlic up its arse!

I hope they gave you a big dose of methadone as soon as it wore off.

 

[king bee]

accidental mixture-dilaudid/suboxone

so i get up this morning, and feel the need to IV some dilaudid. i only have 2mg ones, and put 2 at a time into the pill crusher to make my solution. so i put 2-2mgs into the pill crusher, open it up to put it on a small piece of paper to dump it into the thing i use to mix it with water....and notice its orangish! wtf at first i think, more like hope, that i left some xanax in there. i have some orange 0.5mg footballs too. but in the back of my head i'm thinking, huh, my girlfriend has been sniffing her suboxone to make it go farther. uh oh, i hope not....

so i call 'baaabbbbbyyy...' and when she comes into the room i ask her if she used my pill crusher, or left anything in it. i guess i grabbed hers by accident (they look exactly the same), and there was 1-2mgs of suboxone in it! fuck especially cuz i only have a few dilaudids left!

so anyways, to the point...

now we have a mixture of 4mg dilaudid and 1-2mg suboxone.

i put it aside folded in a piece of paper.

my question is, is this little mixture dangerous/pointless to save? should i just throw it out? im thinking if sniffed or eaten, itd just make one of us feel sick. maybe it could even be dangerous, altho a very small amount of each. both are threshold doses for each of us, its not the amount, its the combination.

should i just throw it out?

 

[down508]

Is that what you are doing - 300mg oxy per day?

I thought you had no habit - thats the impression I got anyway.

There is no such thing as a 12mg Subutex. I started on 12mg and was getting an 8mg and 4mg pill per day. And yeah, it was enough to hold me and I was easily doing the equal of 300mg oxy in Heroin (7/8 bags (0.2grams each) a day).

If you put an 8mg subutex under your tounge without a habit, I would be VERY suprised if you didn't end up dead or in a very bad way in hospital.

Fucking around with sub with no habit, isn't much differeny to fucking around with fentynal (sp?)..

na i have a pretty low tolerance, 30mg oc gets me high. i'm sayin that if thats enough to keep you from withdrawing with that habit then i'm lucky i didnt put it under my tongue. thanks for the advice man i was plannin on grabbin another and doin it the right way but now i know thats a horrible idea. you may have just saved my life

 

[ellua]

Hey i was wondering if whether you have to prove opiate dependence in order to get a suboxone script. i understand this is unethical because of the limit on how many patients a doctor can treat, but i dont plan on doing this often.

that's why it's unethical?

suboxone doesn't have the same stigma as methadone, yet... i'd love to see it stay that way but people like this are going to make that difficult. 3 people have died this year in this state alone from suboxone, and only 1 of them had a script for it. my doctor said the DEA had just come thru his office, they're cracking down hardcore b/c they're seeing a ton of sub turning up on the streets.

if you're not dependent on opiates already it's just foolish to go seeking a suboxone script. it won't lead you anywhere good, and there are better highs out there for the money.

 

[HighonLife]

damn that sucks cuz off the top of my head i think the dillys are ruined

maybe someone will chime in with some good insight but i am thinkin you wont likely be getting high of that hydroM,

i find that low doses of suboxone can potentiate other opiates but that is when the low doses have already been ingested and then the other opiate comes .

 

[Eight0Eight]

At the very least, swallow it.

That way both the bupe and naloxone will be inactive.

You won't get much of a rush from the D - but its still better than chucking it.

 

[thelung]

Yeah you can use the powder to parrachute instead of IV in order to save the dilaudids

 

[ellua]

i'd save it to use as an experiment when you're completely out of other options. don't think it's a good idea to shoot it until you know for sure if one would trump the other, unless you're willing to risk it... swallowing the sub will minimize its effects but goddamn it tastes awful.

 

[Jabberwocky]

lol oh man, i empathise your position but im glad it was you and not me. anyway you take it the bupe is going to over power the dilaudid, orally i would render it - the combination - useless

ill put this in the bupe mega thread for you

 

[fistful_of_needles]

I'm starting to realize just how lucky we are in this country where all you have to do in order to get a Subutex prescription is book an appointment with a psychiatrist (costs something like 60-70 USD) and after this each 7 8mg Box costs you around 13 USD and that is basically it . This is the way one does it if one wish to go all lo-profile about it ,otherwise you can book yourself into one of these statutory drug rehabilitation centers and do it all for free (including both methadone and Subutex,whichever you opt for)

 

[DopaMan]

I'd love to get off of Sub and just use when craving comes about. But this drug is about 5 to 8 times more potent than I initially realized and I am worse off than when I started. I am either looking at lifetime use OR a slow taper but even .5 mg seems hard to jump at (I'm a HUGE WD pussy and have many, many responsibilities that require me to be on the top of my game). Has anyone made a stable solution?

Fake edit (Just found this on an elephant medical site!):
Storage/Stability/Compatibility - Buprenorphine should be stored at room temperature (15-30° C). Temperatures above 40° C or below freezing should be avoided. Buprenorphine products should be stored away from bright light. Autoclaving may decrease drug potency considerably. The drug is stable between a pH of 3.5-5.

Buprenorphine is reported to be compatible with the following IV solutions and drugs: aceDamienpromazine, atropine, diphenhydramine, D5W, D5W & normal saline, droperidol, glycopyrrolate, hydroxyzine, lactated Ringer’s, normal saline, scopolamine, and xylazine. Buprenorphine is reportedly incompatible with diazepam and lorazepam.

LOL so leave out the Valium but a bit of D5W should just fine. This is a relief as I'd like to drop to an almost homeopathic dosage. I just fear that I will crave drugs again (Bupe completely eliminates ANY craving for dope and even almost 90% for stimulants and not so much other downers like EtOH or Benzos).

 

[HighonLife]

i tend to agree to some degree, i believe even sub doctors tend to prescribe too much medication. i had a 80-100 mg/day oxy habit, and my doctor wanted me on 8mg of sub a day when i could use only 4mg a day for the first few days to a week and then only use 2mg for the next couple weeks n now i only use about 1mg a day ne more but even a month later my doctor wants me on 4mg a day everyday and even told me he didnt want me takin any other dose other then 4mg a day without callin him first, and he wants me on this dose until mid december when i see him again. fuck him im doin what i feel comfortable with

 

[Brose]

same here, highonlife, except my doctor is happy with me taking whatever im comfortable with. he prescribes me 16mg/day, which we both know is way high for me. i usually take 4-8mg/day. it doesnt hurt to have too many, though - as long as youre able to only take what you need.

 

[disasterline]

has any one else noticed that a doctor will not take insurance? around me the docs that have a sub license are family doctors, so i know they can take it for regular check ups and stuff, but go to see them for subs and BAM you have to pay a shit ton of money for the appt.

 

[Eight0Eight]

same here, highonlife, except my doctor is happy with me taking whatever im comfortable with. he prescribes me 16mg/day, which we both know is way high for me. i usually take 4-8mg/day. it doesnt hurt to have too many, though - as long as youre able to only take what you need.

As Subutex/Suboxone is a lot more "cleaner" than methadone - it doesn't get you high and has much less scope for diversion as it's street price is next to nothing, I've found that clinics/GP's are much more happier greatly increasing bupe scripts than methadone.

They also give you take-aways with out you jumping through so many hoops (compared to meth).

has any one else noticed that a doctor will not take insurance? around me the docs that have a sub license are family doctors, so i know they can take it for regular check ups and stuff, but go to see them for subs and BAM you have to pay a shit ton of money for the appt.

That just sucks mate, sorry

The fact that drug addicts should have to pay through the nose like that is wrong imo.

I reckon the $$$-factor must be turning a LOT of people off of trying it. There are probably thousands and thousands of addicts that are desperate for a bupe script, but just can't find that money like that in one big lump - but can easily scrape together/hussle $30-40/day and stay on smack.

I think your government should make an exception and subsidise it. I mean, by making subutex/one easy and affordable to get on - you're bound to find certain communities see a drop in crime.

It also looks good on paper "President XXX has gotten XX thousand addicts off street drugs into professional help as a direct result of subsidised prescribing"

808

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

I know when I started subs it was a giant leap of faith, I remember going in that first apointment thinking shit, I've spent my dope money for the week, I really hope he sees Im in full WD's and starts me up today...

 

[boxcut3]

i've noticed quite a few docs do this around me too. i think it's cause they have a patient limit so they jack up the price so that they can get more for the limited amount of people they can prescribe subs too. at least that's what it seems like. although, a few times i have talked to doctors that do that and told them i could only see them if they accepted insurance for payment and a couple were flexible with it. i found when i filled out the doctor/patient matching form online (http://www.naabt.org/patient_doctor/patient_login.cfm) you could select whether you had insurance and those doctors could contact you. not sure if you're trying to find a doctor, but if so, try that website.

has any one else noticed that a doctor will not take insurance? around me the docs that have a sub license are family doctors, so i know they can take it for regular check ups and stuff, but go to see them for subs and BAM you have to pay a shit ton of money for the appt.

 

[HighonLife]

Here to help

people who are prescribed suboxone: do you know about here to help? who has called here to help? who frequently gets called by here to help?

from what i understand here to help is a private group or whatever maybe it is a company that is hired by the makers of suboxone as an assistance for 'suboxone therapy' which is recommended as not only medical treatment (i.e. suboxone) but also psychological treatment (i.e. psychologist or even this here to help hotline) and suppossedly that is what it is for is to supplement therapy but they always want to record everything and stuff and they are hired by the makers of suboxone.

anyone have any opinions on this help hotline that is promoted by suboxone manufacturers ?

as it was explained to me when i started calling around for suboxone doctors suppossedly this is what most doctors recommend and when i started callin docotors one of them gave me this number and then the people of HTH (here to help) helped me find a doctor. so as far as i know they are a popular/common hotline, but then again how would i know cuz i am just listenin to what they tell me. any ways i was just wantin everyones feedback on this hotline? if anyone has used it? if they like or dislike it? why or why not?

i myself dont mind it but i am skeptical about why they wanna record my conversations and if it is my best interest in mind or the interest of hw suboxone is actually used that way the makers of suboxone can better protect their own ass by knowing how people use thier medication along with other drugs or whatever ya know?