Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[yulya975]

i've been shooting suboxone for months cuz i got off the h. suboxone has a great ceiling effect so you'll build a tolerance to it. well you will but you'll never need to up your dose. i kept lowering and lowering my dose slowly until i only needed .5mg a day. now i'm completely off of it.

but i'm writing this to say that you can shoot it just MAKE SURE you filter it with a big cotton TWICE cuz trash fever is unbelievably horrible and you dont want that. also, its a good idea to cook it for a second or two.
the only problem with shooting it is that you get hooked on it just like you get hooked on heroin or any other shit. but i believe that suboxone is a miracle drug

 

[Captain.Heroin]

also, its a good idea to cook it for a second or two.

No, it's not a good idea at all. It helps the inactive ingredients (pill binders) dissolve into the IV solution.

It's best to NOT add heat when preparing buprenorphine for IV.

--worst pill to shoot, etc.--

It's not the worst pill to shoot, there are many pills worse for IVing (like ones that contain microcrystalline cellulose, which are most other pills).

 

[kasad]

my subutex has microcrystalline celulose...

edit: not true, see my next post

 

[Captain.Heroin]

my subutex has microcrystalline celulose...

SUBUTEX
Active Ingredients: buprenorphine hydrochloride
Inactive Ingredients: lactose, mannitol, cornstarch, povidone K30, citric acid, sodium citrate and magnesium stearate

Really? Because I don't think so.

 

[kasad]

Nope, no microcrystalline celulose, I mixed it up with something else I recently wanted to shoot My bad

 

[boodha]

is 10mg of diazepam taken with 2mg of buprenorphine(temgesic)
fairly safe ??

i took the 10mg of diazepam due to some anxiety, but just wondered if there is anything I should know about this mix,

obviously i had read up on it, and read clinical trials where 20mg diazepam was administered along with a buprenorphine dosage, so had figured it should be ok,

just that im a little tired now, maybe starting to nod a bit, and a bit concerned about any dangers that could be related to this combo ?

it has been a few hours since I took the valium

its not something im going to repeat due to the risks involved with opiates and benzos, can anyone respond to this please ?

 

[JaDiuM]

All apologies folks!

that whole post about the clonnies, phenegrine(?) & tar + the msg to pink cloud about connecting somehow...

I don't even fucking remember writing ANY of that! surprisingly my spelling wasn't completely fucked... It's funny, I'm usually a pretty soft spoken guy, but those benzos get me all cheery/chappy like a drunk - without the aggressive / fighting / sentimental sorrow shit that follows

pretty nice stuff, would be even nicer if i could remember it afterwards!

oh and still on 2mgs bupe (in between fuckups) - i find that 24 hours after the last shot of H, taking about 1/2 a mg of bupe does quite nicely, maybe another 1/2 mg 4 or 5 hours later (and so on, or back on the tar & repeat process!)

JDM

 

[JaDiuM]

oh yeah - i'm dog sitting at some rich bitches house right now... took me 10 minutes to explain the directions to my mexican friend - he said 25 minutes, it's been 22...

about the 10mg with temgesic - don't you mean point (.)2 mg? i wouldn't say there's much to worry about, but as you say you won't try it again & are asking for advice - why bother?

you'll be dead and unable to read our responses or just fine and won't ever mix the two again, or so you say

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Honestly, most people would be fine from mixing 10mg of diazepam with most dosages of buprenorphine.

You would have to take a large dose of benzodiazepines for it to become problematic while on buprenorphine. 10mg of diazepam is barely anything in terms of a benzodiazepine dose.

 

[JaDiuM]

here's a ? for yall - kinda off topic but since we're talking about bupe and benzos -

are clonnies efficient when taken sublingually? how about shooting clons? anyone here have experience with these ????

 

[Captain.Heroin]

here's a ? for yall - kinda off topic but since we're talking about bupe and benzos -

are clonnies efficient when taken sublingually? how about shooting clons? anyone here have experience with these ????

You cannot IV clonazepam, it is not water soluble. Plus, IVing the inactive ingredients in clonazepam tablets alone are asking for major health complications.

inactive ingredients: corn starch, lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, and microcrystalline cellulose.

Microcrystalline cellulose is what's going to cause major health complications.

Clonazepam is the most inefficient benzo in my opinion. For me personally, any other benzo works better other than clonazepam.

It depends on the brand you have of clonazepam which dictates whether it's feasible to use sublingually. I've had lorazepam tablets which were ideal for it (they dissolved within a minute, no nasty taste) where I've also had xanax tablets which tasted like absolute shit and took FOREVER to dissolve.

Personally I think benzos are best taken after white grapefruit juice, and orally.

The only benzodiazepines that are water soluble are midazolam, flurazepam, and maybe another one which most people never see in the US. Midazolam and flurazepam are the only water soluble ones that you can reasonably prep for IV.

I've even tried IVing flurazepam, and it's tons more efficient when taken orally.

 

[JaDiuM]

you're right about the different generic brands making a difference -

the lorazepams the dissolve quickly and taste sweet are ideal under the tongue
diazepams are usually the same, soft and sweet - except for those damned green 10mg generics - HATE those things

so, if something's not water soluble, how does that affect the sublingual aspect?
also, if it's not water soluble, would cooking a shot with lime juice & or tar (with tons of acetic acid or whatever it's called) make it active? I've banged tar & lorazepam before (cooked together) and it worked superbly!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

you're right about the different generic brands making a difference -

the lorazepams the dissolve quickly and taste sweet are ideal under the tongue
diazepams are usually the same, soft and sweet - except for those damned green 10mg generics - HATE those things

so, if something's not water soluble, how does that affect the sublingual aspect?
also, if it's not water soluble, would cooking a shot with lime juice & or tar (with tons of acetic acid or whatever it's called) make it active? I've banged tar & lorazepam before (cooked together) and it worked superbly!

A drug can still be taken sublingually, most benzos will work well when taken sublingually, and most of them are not water soluble.

I think you would have to add in propylene glycol for clonazepam to be able to be IV'd. With this being said, I wouldn't even bother with IVing benzos, specifically clonazepam. I think the effect of clonazepam isn't something worth preparing an IV over.

The microcrystalline cellulose in clonazepam tablets make them undesirable for IV.

Furthermore, pulmonary microcrystalline cellulose deposition from intravenous injection of codeine tablets has been reported in a patient receiving parenteral nutrition (10).

Codeine is the example here, but almost all pills have microcrystalline cellulose in them (clonazepam being one of them). You don't want to get "ritalin lung" because you wanted to IV clonazepam.

Finally, never use lime or lemon juice when IVing. Only use distilled white vinegar or citric acid.

 

[Eight0Eight]

'gotta go into the city tommorrow to pick up my next subutex script.

And with that comes my once-fortnightly relapse:D

I've found that as long as I take my subutex every morning, and don't use for more than 3 days - I get away scot-free with no WD.

What makes it even harder to say NO is that my fuck-buddy (she also uses) is in that city and there is no way we could see each other without shooting smack (we have a LOOOONG history of using together).


Apart from this bullshit, my reduction is going alright. I'm down to 1.2mg now - and am feeling WD for a couple hours in the morning, but apart from that I'm OK.

Its weird. I have to queue up with loads of methadone users, and they all look in much worse shape than me. Even though they are on FAR higher scripts (I've peeked at their scripts) 90-210mg/day.

 

[powerranger]

I thought I'd post this here since this thread seems ideal:

Can anyone give me a rough estimate of how long until I will back to low-tolerance/no-tolerance baseline after 4 months straight of suboxone? I've been at 8mg/day for the last 1 month, and I just took my last one tonight. I have no more and I have no way of getting more, so I'm just going to deal with the WDs as they come.

But I am curious how long it will take after a sub habit like this to reach a baseline of no tolerance. Do you think a month? A few weeks? I ask because I am able to see a doctor for pain AND I am moving to a city that I am familiar with next month, and I hope to be back to low tolerance because I know I'll have access to opiates then. So, can anyone take a guess?

 

[Eight0Eight]

Do you want to quit? or do you want to keep using?

If its the latter, then if you see you pain doc tommorrow, then you shouldn't have to suffer any WD.

As far as your tolerance goes, that kind of depends on what you where using before sub.

 

[powerranger]

Do you want to quit? or do you want to keep using?

If its the latter, then if you see you pain doc tommorrow, then you shouldn't have to suffer any WD.

As far as your tolerance goes, that kind of depends on what you where using before sub.

I want to keep using, and I'm not seeing my pain doc until I move, which is still a month away.

I want to go through WDs so I can get back down to a low tolerance. I have a lot of benzos to help along through it, among other non-opiate supplies. I'm prepared for it. I just want to get an estimate of how long people think it would take for me to get back down to a low opiate tolerance level after this kind of habit.

Before sub I was using mostly weaker opiates, usually dihydrocodeine and codeine and occasionally poppy seed tea. I went straight from those to suboxone, recreationally. From my doctor I will only get low dose hydrocodone, it's not a pain doc, he's my GP and it will be for acute pain pain following recent surgery.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I thought I'd post this here since this thread seems ideal:

Can anyone give me a rough estimate of how long until I will back to low-tolerance/no-tolerance baseline after 4 months straight of suboxone? I've been at 8mg/day for the last 1 month, and I just took my last one tonight. I have no more and I have no way of getting more, so I'm just going to deal with the WDs as they come.

A long time.

8mg buprenorphine is a high dose. After four months of suboxone, you should have tapered down at least a little bit.

But I am curious how long it will take after a sub habit like this to reach a baseline of no tolerance. Do you think a month? A few weeks? I ask because I am able to see a doctor for pain AND I am moving to a city that I am familiar with next month, and I hope to be back to low tolerance because I know I'll have access to opiates then. So, can anyone take a guess?

At least a few weeks. Every individual is different, so it's hard to say.

Before sub I was using mostly weaker opiates, usually dihydrocodeine and codeine and occasionally poppy seed tea. I went straight from those to suboxone, recreationally. From my doctor I will only get low dose hydrocodone, it's not a pain doc, he's my GP and it will be for acute pain pain following recent surgery.

Buprenorphine is a lot more potent of a drug than hydrocodone or codeine. This means, in essence, that buprenorphine pushed your tolerance up more than it did down.

For your opiate history I would have recommended you only use 2mg (at the most) at a time.

 

[OlCapone]

Suboxone taper--The Time has come--Questions??

Well the time has come my friends to quit "again", yes "again"...I am 24 and have been doing this shit since 16 and I still haven't learned. Anyways here is my dilemma, I have moved back to a place that lets just say the "open air market" isn't as GOOD as it used to be. The grass WAS greener. But, alas I have left and now have only access to hydrocodone. To get people familiar with my tolerance I was doing 80-160 mg of OC during each sitting. A sitting would last approx. 1 hour of doing drugs and 4 hours of high, then would do that about twice a day. I had been on Norco 15 a day slightly before this, but that shouldnt really change anything. After the OC i dabbled with high doseages of morphine 300mg in sitting, then moved to methadone bc cheap and was easier to get and just plain cheaper. I was insufflating the OC, and swallowing the methadone. My methadone never got too outrageous, I maintained at about 40 mg but got that down to 20 mg then 10 for a couple days then ran out. ...I had 1--Suboxone 8 mg I used this for 4 days approx 2mg a day sublingual. I ran out after day 4 bc I could not find another fucking sub. So I took 6 Norco then 9 the next day, which brings us to today-----I waited 24 plus hours and received a Suboxone 8 mg. THANK GOD!!!---So my question is I have done a taper before but had a number of subs to work with so I kinda forgot how many days the taper was I think like 30-45 and I felt absolutly no W/D symptoms---it was amazing. But of course I got back on the shit off and on not too bad about 6 months ago and the last 3 months have been just doseing and doseing and basically not being out of supply. I want to taper again and I hate how this shit takes ahold of my soul everytime I think Im better. Im not. I love suboxone and think its a miracle drug, unfortuantly I am stuck getting 1 or 2 off of buddies for the time being, I will have enough for a taper I believe. Can someone give me a proper taper plan for my tolerance/addiction. I just need peace of mind, Im freaking myself out right now like W/D's do to everyone. Would just love some support from you guys--sorry for the rant just wanted to get everything down--Maybe someone can relate. Thanks fellow peeps.

 

[monstanoodle]

Well, how much Buprenorphine does it take to hold you?
Let's establish that first before working on a taper plan.
Also, if you can, it would be good to try and taper on your Opiate of choice too before you start on the Subs, unless Subs are your OOC.