Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[PinK~cloud]

I was wondering where your PM was Jadium!
i'm glad to hear you're doing well bro. keep it up.

 

[PinK~cloud]

eh im on 8mgs of subuxone to get me off a heavy codeine and DXM addiction. works perfectly, havent used since i been on the stuff.
Once im off subuxone and my tolerance goes away will i be able to use it occasionally, say on weekends, to get high as an alternative to anything else? Or by taking it now to get off the other shit have i ruined my chances of ever being able to use it recreationally? what u recon

uh... with codeine, unless you're taking ridicously high amounts, i'd say you're fucked. i kinda wish i had never started the stuff long term man. get out of it while you still can. IMO, suboxone is a better detox drug than a long term drug.

you're tolerance is probably so high now that you prolly wont be able to get high from anything cept oxy/H/morphine and so on. if you're wanting to take vacations, remember to not dose sub for 3 days before taking your opiate of choice.

 

[Northside]

I'm down to 1.4mg a day.

Starting to feel the bite of WD in the mornings.

It goes away after you dose? If so , you're doing effin excellent man.

 

[Eight0Eight]

Yeah, It goes away when I dose.

Gonna see if I can get some clonidine at my next clinic appointment.

Cheers man!

 

[subisjustokay]

4 months ago I was renting a small room from a friend and barely had enough money to live on... Just 4 months of being clean and I am closing on my own house July 31st.. I'm telling you Suboxone is a miracle, I wasn' t sure about it at first but it's the greatest thing I ever did with my life... I recommend it HIGHLY to anyone struggling with opiod dependence!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

eh im on 8mgs of subuxone to get me off a heavy codeine and DXM addiction. works perfectly, havent used since i been on the stuff.
Once im off subuxone and my tolerance goes away will i be able to use it occasionally, say on weekends, to get high as an alternative to anything else? Or by taking it now to get off the other shit have i ruined my chances of ever being able to use it recreationally? what u recon

You'll be able to use it recreationally, but honestly, I would use the buprenorphine over the codeine.

I wouldn't start using codeine again though. You should enjoy sobriety once you're off of suboxone.

 

[Optimusme]

Thnx for the replies. Yeah i really fucked up, i used to take 400mgs of codeine a day OR a full 200ml bottle of DXM a day, and still feel like completely straight afterwards. Horrible, but suboxone has saved me. I have quit it all, for over a month now. I have even quit cigarettes for just over 2 weeks.
Cant say im feeling great tho, my digestion is absolutely FUKED from suboxone. No releif even from prescription laxatives.

 

[JaDiuM]

thanks Pink - didn't wanna think i was dissin you -

light bulb stwitched on ! - hob about PMng me your email / other contact NFO (if in doubt, start a new email acct just for initiating 1st time BS with folks then , later if yo entrust them with your email / phone / shoe size / sputum samlple etc...

yeah dude - PM me your email / icq etc info and we'll speak ASAP!

I've got this optimistic notion you're in the general Bary Area Cali or up north/mendo/humbo etc - san jo? santa barb? let's talk in depth soon dude

Peace out - Jeremiah

PS - 2mg clonnies (AS GOOD AS PRICES GET ON THESE CALLES DE OAKLAND!) AND DAMN DEM NIGGAS G0 A long WAY!

ANYONE KNOW ABOUT PHENEGRINE? OPIE POTENTIATOR? OLD SCHOOL ANTIHISTAMINE? I'M GONNY TRY 4 MGS CLONNIE, 3/4 GRAM TOP OF THE LINE sf BAY TAR & A PHENAGRINE TONIGHT

THERE'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN NODDING FOR A FEW MINUTES AND WAKING UP DEAD.... WHICH PACKS A BETTER RUCH?

THANKS FOR HEARING ME (CLONNIES KICKIN IN IN THE LAST 10, HENCE TOO LAZY TO UNCAP

jERE

MIAH

 

[Eight0Eight]

^ Yeah, I can vouch that Phenergan (Promethazine) definitely potentiates opiates.

I used to do it with methadone and it would fucking completely floor me (standing up sideways/dribbling etc).

 

[Captain.Heroin]

ANYONE KNOW ABOUT PHENEGRINE? OPIE POTENTIATOR? OLD SCHOOL ANTIHISTAMINE? I'M GONNY TRY 4 MGS CLONNIE, 3/4 GRAM TOP OF THE LINE sf BAY TAR & A PHENAGRINE TONIGHT

THERE'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN NODDING FOR A FEW MINUTES AND WAKING UP DEAD.... WHICH PACKS A BETTER RUCH?

THANKS FOR HEARING ME (CLONNIES KICKIN IN IN THE LAST 10, HENCE TOO LAZY TO UNCAP

I prefer doxylamine succinate and diphenhydramine hcl as antihistamines, personally. I have never tried "phenegrine" or whatever you are talking about.

I would save the clonazepam for after you're done with the tar heroin.

The antihistamine is a better potentiator for heroin than clonazepam is. Clonazepam, in my opinion, takes away from the opiate rush. For me, the opiate rush is an energizing, euphoric rush. While peaking on heroin, I typically liked to get a lot of things done.

Clonazepam and most other benzos will not help with this, they will only add to the sedation part of the opiate experience IMO. If you like clonazepam that much you can try it, but I think it would be wiser to save after you're done with heroin. Trust me on this, when I was finally kicking I took 1mg and I only slept for another hour or so before I woke up with the leg shakes again. This was, however, after many, many months of heroin use, so I can understand that 1mg of clonazepam would help out someone else a lot more than it did me after heroin, typically speaking.

I find any benzodiazepine better than clonazepam in my experience, so this is part of my reasoning behind not combining it with heroin.

Cant say im feeling great tho, my digestion is absolutely FUKED from suboxone. No releif even from prescription laxatives.

Try eating more fiber.

^ Yeah, I can vouch that Phenergan (Promethazine) definitely potentiates opiates.

I used to do it with methadone and it would fucking completely floor me (standing up sideways/dribbling etc).

LOL

Whenever I would snort doxylamine succinate, I would lay down wherever I was and start drooling on myself involuntarily sometimes while nodding and I'd come out of it a few minutes later being like...ehhh...

IMO the insuffulation of doxylamine succinate is pretty potent.
Read about it here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=406082

Intranasal bioavailability was greater than that of oral doxylamine succinate (70.8 vs 24.7% ). The intranasal and oral routes of administration differed significantly from the intravenous route of administration. Peak plasma concentration (Cmax) was 887.6 ng/ml (S.D. 74.4), 281.4 ng/ml (S.D. 24.6) and 1296.4 ng/ml (S.D. 388.9) for the intranasal, oral and intravenous routes, respectively. The time to achieve Cmax for the intranasal route (tmax=0.5 h) was faster than for the oral route (tmax=1.5 h), but no statistically significant differences between the Cmax values were found using 95% confidence intervals. The results of this study show that doxylamine succinate is rapidly and effectively absorbed from the nasal mucosa.

I added in a space at 24.7% ), because a % and a ) make a %) on our forum.

 

[served00]

Shooting suboxone

Shooting suboxone (8mg pills) never sends me into withdrawlal. Ive shot it prob around 4 times now. Is that just a myth????

I have no opiate tolerance right now btw, but have had a big iv heroin problem many many times before.

21 days clean off junk tomorrow

I just shot 8mg the very second before making this post. I sometimes get scared that it will send me into a bad place.

BTW, sucking up the sub into a rig is so difficult!

 

[served00]

Hmm I'm starting to feel good...but not the same as good old dope

 

[Captain.Heroin]

It is a myth, naloxone is inert within suboxone.

If you have a low opiate tolerance, you shouldn't IV 8mg, that's a huge dose. You'd be better off IVing 0.5mg or 1mg with a low opiate tolerance.

It's hard to draw back the liquid because you don't need to use 8mg for a shot.

I cannot stress enough how much you do not need to IV 8mg of buprenorphine; if you do this again, I would use 0.5mg or 1mg at the very most.

I sometimes get scared that it will send me into a bad place.

IVing too much buprenorphine can lead to feelings of agitation and uneasiness, and this is why you should use a lot less buprenorphine when IVing it.

Furthermore, you could have found out all of this and more in the Suboxone Mega Thread.

Hmm I'm starting to feel good...but not the same as good old dope

I find a low dose of buprenorphine IV'd is more pleasurable than heroin is, because of the lack of unpleasant withdrawal symptoms with buprenorphine (when compared to heroin's acute withdrawal syndrome). I get quite a bit of euphoria and synergism (for benzos and bud typically) with 0.3mg IV buprenorphine. It's also nice to not be fiending for the next hit and be able to be satisfied for a long while, this is another reason why I find buprenorphine to be superior.

 

[Z Y G G Y]

If u have only been clean off junk for 21 days it's not possible to not have any opiate tolerance, especially after an IV heroin habit of who knows what lenght. Your tolerance will not go to 0 in 21 days, that's just a crazy thing to assume. Hell, it might never completely go to baseline.

 

[served00]

I had a fairly big 18 month iv heroin habit. I shot the 8mg and it felt good for a good two hours and I still feel good but its slowly wearing off.

And capt heroin, I dont think 1-2mg would have done anything to me.

I mean, the 8mg got me "high", but it wasnt a strong buzz by any means.

 

[toastedpanda]

If u have only been clean off junk for 21 days it's not possible to not have any opiate tolerance, especially after an IV heroin habit of who knows what length. Your tolerance will not go to 0 in 21 days, that's just a crazy thing to assume. Hell, it might never completely go to baseline.

I noticed that contradiction too, I'd be careful with your dose till your comfortable where your tolerance stands. Not to lecture, I know I don't have as much opiate experience as the OP.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If u have only been clean off junk for 21 days it's not possible to not have any opiate tolerance, especially after an IV heroin habit of who knows what lenght. Your tolerance will not go to 0 in 21 days, that's just a crazy thing to assume. Hell, it might never completely go to baseline.

It doesn't get back to zero, but it can certainly get back to being "low" again.

I had a fairly big 18 month iv heroin habit. I shot the 8mg and it felt good for a good two hours and I still feel good but its slowly wearing off.

And capt heroin, I dont think 1-2mg would have done anything to me.

I mean, the 8mg got me "high", but it wasnt a strong buzz by any means.

Buprenorphine is a better mu-agonist at the lowest dose possible. After not using heroin for 21 days, it is absurd to think you need to IV 8mg of buprenorphine.

1mg to 2mg would have done something for you.

When I titrated my IV buprenorphine dose down, I found the high gets better as more buprenorphine is converted to nor-buprenorphine and less buprenorphine is left to out-compete the mu-opioid receptor for it.

IVing 8mg of buprenorphine is the equivalency of >24mg sublingually; this is blowing your opiate tolerance out of the water. There's no need to do that to yourself.

After the first few hours of peaking, the high wears off by the fourth to sixth hours, normally. I can feel pretty good for up to 8 hours. Sometimes I won't have realized how much time has passed me, I'll look at the clock, and be amazed at how long ago I had dosed.

If you normally sublingually dose 8mg of buprenorphine, you should try IVing 2mg (the bioequivalency is 2.4mg). If you really are on a dose of 24mg sublingually, then the bioequivalency IV wise would be around 8mg math wise, but it's truly not worth it. When I started to IV buprenorphine, I started at 2mg (up to three or so times a day) and I would feel it in terms of maintenance, but I didn't get a 'rush' or 'high' until I tapered down and allowed my opiate tolerance to go lower. When I started dosing 1mg at a time, I found the rush is much more pronounced. As I got to 0.5mg and now 0.3mg each time, I find the high is just as good, if not better. It still lasts just as long as well.

If you still think you really wouldn't have felt 1mg or 2mg IV'd, maybe you're right.

But, I still think you should try it. Buprenorphine is an incredibly potent drug when IV'd.

 

[djsim]

Check the Case Studies thread for why not to bother IVing suboxone
Also, no way tolerance will drop back to baseline after 3 weeks. And if you've been on suboxone for the 3 weeks, your tolerance may have increased. Bupe is an opiate too, so your tolerance to other opiates doesnt drop when on bupe.
And it's generally best to ask BEFORE you do something, not after

 

[PinK~cloud]

^i lol'd at the ask BEFORE rather than after

 

[TheDankaholic]

^i lol'd at the ask BEFORE rather than after

I second that lol, I see FAR too many threads that ask questions after the fact. Or they ask a question "Should I dose XXXX substance at XXXX amount" and wait 3 min. Do it anyways and come back and go "Nevermind, i did it anyways and ......" It makes me laugh that they would bother posting a question about something and then do it anyways without waiting for an answer. It will always baffle my mind I guess. O' Bluelight how I love you, and hate you all at the same time.