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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010
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Eight0Eight
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Why not get yourself to a clinic, get your own sub script and do it properly.
Theres no way a single 8mg subutex tablets is going to make much difference to the WD from a bad oxy/smack habit.
Theres no way a single 8mg subutex tablets is going to make much difference to the WD from a bad oxy/smack habit.
OlCapone
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Thanks for the replies guys, Well to establish the first repliers question I can be held on approx 2 mg sublingual or 1 mg snorted prob. closer to 1.5 actually and closer to 2.5 sublingual, but too hard to judge preciseness off a quarter pill ya know sometimes a small bit more sometimes less...Anyways to other repliers my DOC was OC but I couldnt afford my habit so got on to methadone which I LOVE and that was also DOC 1.A---So I did taper down off methadone before I got on sub.
I do not only have 1 sub but do have 1 sub at moment I will be getting more later..
I will not go to a DOC because I just turned 24 have been to rehab before (isn't cheap) and now since im 24 NO INSURANCE at moment, Im trying to finish school a half year left of college and I can not be addicted to stuff I cant get anymore, ya know(OC, Methatdone steady)---Thanks again for your help---what would you guys do if you were me? Continue the path of destruction and look and look until you find the oil spill or taper off be smart and accept the fact that its too hard to find a steady supply and maybe thats a good thing right?
---At moment today I just subbed up approx. 1.7 mg .7 mg was snorted.
I do not only have 1 sub but do have 1 sub at moment I will be getting more later..
I will not go to a DOC because I just turned 24 have been to rehab before (isn't cheap) and now since im 24 NO INSURANCE at moment, Im trying to finish school a half year left of college and I can not be addicted to stuff I cant get anymore, ya know(OC, Methatdone steady)---Thanks again for your help---what would you guys do if you were me? Continue the path of destruction and look and look until you find the oil spill or taper off be smart and accept the fact that its too hard to find a steady supply and maybe thats a good thing right?
---At moment today I just subbed up approx. 1.7 mg .7 mg was snorted.
PinK~cloud
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you probably only need enough to make it tops a week.
Tchort
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I would visit a walk-in clinic and seek the help of a general practitioner. He/she will most likely provide one or more of the following:
-Clonidine
-Diazepam (or Chlordiazepoxide, Oxazepam, Temazepam, etc)
-Trazodone (or Zolpidem, Zaleplon, etc)
If you are lucky possibly Propoxyphene, Dihydrocodeine, Codeine, Tramadol.
OTC medications to be had: Loperamide (runs), Ibuprofen (pain,aches), Meclizine (nausea, vomiting), Loratidine or Ceterizine (runny nose/eyes), Quinine (RLS).
Symptomatic medication will help immensely, even if you can't get every single one that could possibly help, having some is better than none.
-Clonidine
-Diazepam (or Chlordiazepoxide, Oxazepam, Temazepam, etc)
-Trazodone (or Zolpidem, Zaleplon, etc)
If you are lucky possibly Propoxyphene, Dihydrocodeine, Codeine, Tramadol.
OTC medications to be had: Loperamide (runs), Ibuprofen (pain,aches), Meclizine (nausea, vomiting), Loratidine or Ceterizine (runny nose/eyes), Quinine (RLS).
Symptomatic medication will help immensely, even if you can't get every single one that could possibly help, having some is better than none.
Eight0Eight
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I had a planned relapse on thursday.
Well, saying that, I scored enough smack on thursday to keep me semi-comatose until saturday (this morning).
I have learnt, that with Subutex, as long as you keep taking a low dose of it throughout short smack-stints like this - then when you run out you can go back to your regular bupe dose with complete immunity.
Well I do anyhow.
Its kind of a mixed blessing.
I've only ever pushed this theory as far as 3 1/2 days. I don't know how much longer it would work before you started hurting when you run out of H.
Well, saying that, I scored enough smack on thursday to keep me semi-comatose until saturday (this morning).
I have learnt, that with Subutex, as long as you keep taking a low dose of it throughout short smack-stints like this - then when you run out you can go back to your regular bupe dose with complete immunity.
Well I do anyhow.
Its kind of a mixed blessing.
I've only ever pushed this theory as far as 3 1/2 days. I don't know how much longer it would work before you started hurting when you run out of H.
JohnnyGoodBoy
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Bupenorphine daily - I feel like I am constantly going through withdrawals
I feel like I am in a world of shit...
I have been on Buprenorphine (Subutex) for about 7-8 years now, and I feel like I am a slave to my own body. My gf at the time thought it would be fun to snort our medicine, and being the lovesick idiot that I was, I started to abuse my medicine. Here I am 7 years later, and I still snort my pills. (I feel like Chris Rock from New-Jack City, crying but still smoking that hit off his crackpipe)
I wake up, snort 1/2 mg, and continue to snort 1/2mg about 6 times throughout the day. I take my meds based on "how I feel," not on a standard consistent daily regimen as prescribed. As a result, a few hours after I snort each dose, my thoughts start to race, my emotions tend to flair up, and my anxiety increases. Essentially I need my "fix."
I am a doctor, and I just started a new job where I treat patients from 8AM-5PM. It is very demanding, and I need to be focused, and for the most part this is not a problem, except for when I need to sneak away form the other residents during lunch and snort my bup, and perhaps once later on in the afternoon.
I can not live like this anymore, yet it is so engrained in the way that I live. It's the "pre-WD paranoia" that keeps me from making any sort of meaningful progress.
Essentially I need to:
1) go from snorting --> sublingual
2) Stabilize myself at a consistent daily dose
3) take all my medicine at once when I wake up in the AM
4) When I feel comfortable, begin to slowly taper down
5) schedule a vacation, or whatever, so I can go to 0mg
It seems so easy, yet I always get tripped up at step 1. Sublingual seems to be stronger, and if I take the same dose, I end up raising my tolerance. I tried to do this over my summer vacation, and the net result was a 2mg increase (I went from about 4mg-6mg).
I CAN NOT live like this anymore! I just can't! The constant mood swings, emotional outbursts, going from nodding --> crying. I am a doctor for god sakes, I need to be more solid. Not to mention I am single, and need to focus on my dating/personal life, and the more I take the lower my libido gets.
I feel like I can't talk to my psychiatrist about this, because I don't want him to know that I am abusing my medication. I can't talk to my family, I have no wife or gf. NA doesn't work for me...I am truly alone in my struggle.
I feel like I am in a world of shit. I want out of this nightmare!
I feel like I am in a world of shit...
I have been on Buprenorphine (Subutex) for about 7-8 years now, and I feel like I am a slave to my own body. My gf at the time thought it would be fun to snort our medicine, and being the lovesick idiot that I was, I started to abuse my medicine. Here I am 7 years later, and I still snort my pills. (I feel like Chris Rock from New-Jack City, crying but still smoking that hit off his crackpipe)
I wake up, snort 1/2 mg, and continue to snort 1/2mg about 6 times throughout the day. I take my meds based on "how I feel," not on a standard consistent daily regimen as prescribed. As a result, a few hours after I snort each dose, my thoughts start to race, my emotions tend to flair up, and my anxiety increases. Essentially I need my "fix."
I am a doctor, and I just started a new job where I treat patients from 8AM-5PM. It is very demanding, and I need to be focused, and for the most part this is not a problem, except for when I need to sneak away form the other residents during lunch and snort my bup, and perhaps once later on in the afternoon.
I can not live like this anymore, yet it is so engrained in the way that I live. It's the "pre-WD paranoia" that keeps me from making any sort of meaningful progress.
Essentially I need to:
1) go from snorting --> sublingual
2) Stabilize myself at a consistent daily dose
3) take all my medicine at once when I wake up in the AM
4) When I feel comfortable, begin to slowly taper down
5) schedule a vacation, or whatever, so I can go to 0mg
It seems so easy, yet I always get tripped up at step 1. Sublingual seems to be stronger, and if I take the same dose, I end up raising my tolerance. I tried to do this over my summer vacation, and the net result was a 2mg increase (I went from about 4mg-6mg).
I CAN NOT live like this anymore! I just can't! The constant mood swings, emotional outbursts, going from nodding --> crying. I am a doctor for god sakes, I need to be more solid. Not to mention I am single, and need to focus on my dating/personal life, and the more I take the lower my libido gets.
I feel like I can't talk to my psychiatrist about this, because I don't want him to know that I am abusing my medication. I can't talk to my family, I have no wife or gf. NA doesn't work for me...I am truly alone in my struggle.
I feel like I am in a world of shit. I want out of this nightmare!
Dxmmonster
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I thought Methadone maintenance was cheap? Why not get on that for now and then start doing whatever is necessary to quit when you finish school?
Eight0Eight
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Yeah, I'm the same.
I *need* to stop shooting my bupe - but saying is easier than actually doing.
I would definitley argue with point "(3)" - I feel a LOT better dosing twice a day than just once in the morning. When you get down to low doses, I find it doesn't hold you properly for the whole day (regardless of ROA).
Try just dosing half your daily dose once in the morning (like when you wake up) and the other half when you get back from work.
Thats not as chaotic as dosing 7 times a day, and its keeoing that shit out of work. Thats 'gotta be a positive step, right?.
I *need* to stop shooting my bupe - but saying is easier than actually doing.
I would definitley argue with point "(3)" - I feel a LOT better dosing twice a day than just once in the morning. When you get down to low doses, I find it doesn't hold you properly for the whole day (regardless of ROA).
Try just dosing half your daily dose once in the morning (like when you wake up) and the other half when you get back from work.
Thats not as chaotic as dosing 7 times a day, and its keeoing that shit out of work. Thats 'gotta be a positive step, right?.
Too many doses
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^it's an extreme pain in the ass to go to a clinic every morning at 630 To dose 100+mgs of methadone.
If you are an opiate addict and want to quit, withdrawal is almost an inevitability. Maintenance programs often just delay the inevitable, assuming you actually want to quit. Quitting is hard, period. There is no way to avoid withdrawal in its entirety, and there is a high probability of relapsing without the psychological problems that are often at the root of addiction.
If you are resigned to being an addict (which I am, so no judgment here) then maintenance programs are A-ok.
If you are resigned to being an addict (which I am, so no judgment here) then maintenance programs are A-ok.
Dxmmonster
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Dont need to go that early, they should be opened all day, or atleast half a day. And usually the pain is worth it... Just compare it to living with an up and down heroin habbit. Saves money, time and most importantly your health. I think it's worth it.
Im much happier right now on methadone. Sure going to a clinic everyday is a drawback but it surely beats copping dope(atleast for me).
Im much happier right now on methadone. Sure going to a clinic everyday is a drawback but it surely beats copping dope(atleast for me).
dankstersauce
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I'm kind of in the same boat. I've been sniffing my bupe for a while because the bioavailabilty is better. But just this morning I woke up feeling like half dopesick, like so groggy and tired that I don't want to function until I do my bupe. And it's been like this for a few weeks, unless I dose late at night, I wake up feeling like I'm in mild withdrawal. Last time I felt this way I tapered down and got off bupe because at the time I was completely sober and was sick of the ups and downs.
I think I'm going to try tapering and maybe going sublingual (but idk, it doesn't ruin my taste for 2+ hours if I sniff it...suboxone tastes awful). But once I taper down low enough I'm going to take kratom 15x extract for a few days and then hopefully quit.
Maybe the OP should try some tagamet? I've heard some good things about it making the effects of bupe last several hours longer. There is a thread about it somewhere and I think the consensus was that it worked good.
this isn't the thread but it explains how it works:
http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/buprenorphine_d00840_tagamet_d00140.html
good luck dude, you're not alone. I think the tagamet might work real good for your situation, especially with going sublingual (IME sublingual bupe lasts longer) and taking 2 regular doses daily. also once you switch to sublingual you can dose anytime you'd like.
edit here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=379955
I think I'm going to try tapering and maybe going sublingual (but idk, it doesn't ruin my taste for 2+ hours if I sniff it...suboxone tastes awful). But once I taper down low enough I'm going to take kratom 15x extract for a few days and then hopefully quit.
Maybe the OP should try some tagamet? I've heard some good things about it making the effects of bupe last several hours longer. There is a thread about it somewhere and I think the consensus was that it worked good.
this isn't the thread but it explains how it works:
http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/buprenorphine_d00840_tagamet_d00140.html
good luck dude, you're not alone. I think the tagamet might work real good for your situation, especially with going sublingual (IME sublingual bupe lasts longer) and taking 2 regular doses daily. also once you switch to sublingual you can dose anytime you'd like.
edit here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=379955
chicagolove
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quit the methadone clinic, got back on dope, trying to get off quick with bupe. help?
let me preface this by saying i know theres so many threads about this, and ive searched, but i dont want to get lost in the mix (not to mention how huge the megathread is), and am looking for some quick, specific advice to my situation, so thanks in advance... (maybe this should be moved to the megathread, idk)
so after a 5-6 month dope sniffing habit, i got on a methadone program. was on that for a couple months (55-60mgs, then down to around 45 before quitting), and stopped going last weekend after sleeping in on a saturday and missing my weekend dosage. so i got some dope, and holy jesus my tolerance was much larger than when i got into the program. it took me 5 bags just to feel half normal! i was already on a done taper, and it wouldve been another month and a half till i was off, but well i fucked up, and it is what it is, and i want to quit the cycle now more than ever. so i've had a hellish week tapering down on heroin from 5 bags to where im at now with 1-1.5 bags a day the past two days.
so, im about ready to drop the dope habit now that i got to a low dosage, and considering im going on vacation in a few weeks and want to be opiate free. so i have four, 8mg buprenorphine (orange) tablets, and im looking to taper from my now one bag a day habit with them pills. the girl i got them from said at that tolerance, i should take one, wait 2-3 days and if i feel i need more take another 4mgs (half a tab) and that should do it. is it really that easy? i can handle a bit of discomfort as shown by this past week of tapering heroin. should i use the full four tabs to taper or just follow the advice i already got and see how i feel? how long after using should i pop the first tab? any kind of schedule? can i be opiate free in 5-7 days? oh i've also got valium and loperamide to help. thanks a million you guys. any help would be hugely appreciated!
edit: oh yeah, am i going to feel any lingering affects from the methadone after the two weeks (this past one and the coming bupe taper one) of being off of it? maybe not bc of my low dosage and short stint on it?
let me preface this by saying i know theres so many threads about this, and ive searched, but i dont want to get lost in the mix (not to mention how huge the megathread is), and am looking for some quick, specific advice to my situation, so thanks in advance... (maybe this should be moved to the megathread, idk)
so after a 5-6 month dope sniffing habit, i got on a methadone program. was on that for a couple months (55-60mgs, then down to around 45 before quitting), and stopped going last weekend after sleeping in on a saturday and missing my weekend dosage. so i got some dope, and holy jesus my tolerance was much larger than when i got into the program. it took me 5 bags just to feel half normal! i was already on a done taper, and it wouldve been another month and a half till i was off, but well i fucked up, and it is what it is, and i want to quit the cycle now more than ever. so i've had a hellish week tapering down on heroin from 5 bags to where im at now with 1-1.5 bags a day the past two days.
so, im about ready to drop the dope habit now that i got to a low dosage, and considering im going on vacation in a few weeks and want to be opiate free. so i have four, 8mg buprenorphine (orange) tablets, and im looking to taper from my now one bag a day habit with them pills. the girl i got them from said at that tolerance, i should take one, wait 2-3 days and if i feel i need more take another 4mgs (half a tab) and that should do it. is it really that easy? i can handle a bit of discomfort as shown by this past week of tapering heroin. should i use the full four tabs to taper or just follow the advice i already got and see how i feel? how long after using should i pop the first tab? any kind of schedule? can i be opiate free in 5-7 days? oh i've also got valium and loperamide to help. thanks a million you guys. any help would be hugely appreciated!
edit: oh yeah, am i going to feel any lingering affects from the methadone after the two weeks (this past one and the coming bupe taper one) of being off of it? maybe not bc of my low dosage and short stint on it?
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phatass
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Why don't you just taper off the bupe as slow as possible to not get w/d symptoms (even if it takes 6 months to taper) but take less and less, and take it sublingually, it lasts longer... or ask to change to methadone, and taper off methadone... i've gone from 90mg to 40mg... from 90 to 50 was easy, now its starting to get hard,,,
but be strong, if you trully want to quit you will find the will power!!!
Good luck
but be strong, if you trully want to quit you will find the will power!!!
Good luck
Im fairly sure that intranasal and sublinguil BA is roughly the same.
DopaMan
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I can taper bupe easy...or so I thought. I went to detox and I was already using bupe and they tried to detox me with......drumroll please....bupe. They did a very rapid detox down to 4mg and then.....0 MG!!!!!!!WTF! anyone in medicine knows that is bullshit...so I double the length of the taper and tried to jump at 1.25mg! No luck....Bupe probably needs to go to .5 mg or less! this shit is strong. Its a godsend but eventually becomes a curse!
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