Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[Captain.Heroin]

First of all snorting Suboxone has been the most effective way of administration, followed by rectally( makes my bowels move way too much).

Wrong.

1mg IV = 1mg
1mg sublingual (with alcohol) = 0.7mg
1mg insuffulated = 0.5mg
1mg sublingual (w/o alcohol) = 0.3mg
1mg oral (not sublingual) = 0.1mg

These are the best (to worst) ways to do buprenorphine, and you said #3 was the best.

You're getting 0.5mg for every mg snorted, whereas I can get 0.7mg for every mg sublingually dosed w/ alcohol, or I can get the whole MG out of banging.

I want to help those who are shooting it, and whatever else, to maybe experience what I am experiencing everyday. My quality of life at this time has never been even close to this high up, I get the buzz I always wanted when I was a pillhead, yet I don't get sick, and it's regulated to one high a day because of how suboxone is designed.

I don't need your help. Why would I want to get less out of buprenorphine as I already do?

I can get high on suboxone 3 times a day, and I don't need to snort anything.

Heroin I usually did half a 25 dollar bag, although my max was 20 vicodin, then 25 in one day...that was interesting. I know I have a lower tolerance to Suboxone than my friend Aaron, but he was never really willing to try my system either. 2 people tried it for about a week, and it actually worked for them, but they could not keep it up.. and went back to Heroin unfortunately.

That means they wanted to use heroin all along, and weren't trying to get clean.

So for this system to work on those who have higher tolerances, just try... try to take one half/whole a day, an hour after you wake up.. otherwise as I stated.. the offset timing of doses (as long as the second dose is very small ) will suffice.

I have a low opiate tolerance, and that's because I dose 1mg of suboxone twice a day. And I get more out of each MG than you do, because that's how the math adds up.

if this question has already been asked in here im sorry but i dont feel like going through 30 pages for the answer i wanted to know if mixing suboxone and lyrica is dangerous and if not is it a good high also i have been told mixing lyrica with vikks and percs makes for a great high is this true thank you in advance for any help you can offer please reply fast if you can

No, you won't get high.

Are you happier now that you know the truth?

I have been taking my 8mg tab daily
for a year now, sublingual, as directed. And to be honest? The addict in me would very much like to "feel" alittle something, if at all possible, even if that means crushing/chopping up my pill to snort it. Snort the whole amount, all at once? Or like two rails? Or what?

Thanks~

I suggest not snorting suboxone. Take it sublingually, but put 1 CC of hard liquor underneath your tongue for every 8mg pill you're taking (1/4 CC for 2mg, 1/8CC for 1mg, and 4CC for 32mg, so on and so on). This way, you'll get 0.7mg for every MG you take sublingually, versus just 0.3mg for every MG (without the alcohol).

At the end, you can spit the alcohol out.

IVing it will get every MG for MG you put in, and I would only suggest one IV's 1mg or 2mg of buprenorphine at a time.

I just don't think snorting suboxone is all that effective or a good idea for that matter.

What's your bupe doc going to say when you show up one day with a sudden massive increase in tolerance?

How can he tell how much buprenorphine someone needs to feel OK? The doctor certainly isn't the patient.

And as long as the patient doesn't have obvious WD symptoms, the doctor will be CLUELESS as to what the patient is up to.

So, the doctor won't say anything but "Here's your prescription, good luck!"

If you go to your doctor, and tell him you're abusing the prescription, and you tell him you have a huge tolerance, well that's just your fault, isn't it?

I take 2-4mg/day. Its usually not right when I wake up either, since I don't feel sick right away, I just take it whenever I remember. I've been awake for about 2 hours and haven't taken my dose yet. Anyway, when I take it, here's what will happen: nothing. It does what bupe is supposed to do, hold me over. I could skip a day, which I do sometimes, and on my next dose all I'll feel is a tiny bit of relief (since its been 48 hours since I dosed), then: nothing, just bupe holding me over. I don't know anyone who gets high from suboxone, whether they take it once a month or daily, if they had a large habit before. I consider you to be an anomaly, since your experience is unlike most everybody else's that I've heard.

I take 2mg (maybe 3mg) a day as well. I typically do it as I wake up, because it's typically been over 12 hours since I've dosed (sometimes even longer).

When I take my buprenorphine, even by 1mg at a time, I get high. It's not a heroin high, it's not an OC high (if you had to say it was closer to one or the other, it's more stimulating like an OC but it's not the same high), and it's not anything close to another opiate's rush or euphoria.

Suboxone has a high for me because I like feeling what I do. It's pleasant to not be in WD symptoms anymore, it's pleasant to have a benzo-like sedation, and it's pleasant to have a mild euphoria (versus an intense euphoria).

There is a body high with buprenorphine, though it is nothing like heroin, or mushrooms, or MDMA, so don't take suboxone thinking "I'm not going to feel my face!" ...because you will.

I get high off of buprenorphine on a daily basis. It's not something I especially look forward to, it just happens.

I also know people who occasionally take buprenorphine, and they'll also get high (when they have low opiate tolerances). Some people even compare the high they get from buprenorphine to morphine, or heroin (some think it's even better).

It's all about your subjective experience of opiates. If you have gotten high on heroin every day for many, many years, you might never feel the "suboxone high" people speak of.

However, if you tried heroin a handful of times but aren't currently on it, it's feasible to say you might enjoy a baseline dose.

If you expect suboxone's going to give you a high, it likey won't. If you don't think much of it, and then all of the sudden you're getting a grin () as your dose hits you, then there you go, enjoy.

It has a lot to do with user expectations. If you're expecting a heroin high by IVing suboxone (no matter what the dose), it's likely you won't even half way enjoy the feeling. If you're expecting nothing much from it, you can get a mild high from it and it'll be a pleasant surprise.

I think that's what it comes down to, is what people expect out of suboxone.

 

[babygetoboy]

Thanks for the help, my DOC was heroin, and I was using quite a bit, nasally. I've been prescribed suboxone for months, I just never take it and use, but now I am moving out of town and want to get clean, so I am going to take around 45 pills (I have 45 it turns out so if you want to adjust it to that that's fine.) and go out of town and detox off heroin with the suboxone. If it were you , how exactly would you run the taper? And I should be able to get by with 8mg in the beginning. Thanks for helping me, you guys are helping me change my life. Just how exactly would you run the detox knowing this info?

Thank you to everyone.!

 

[pantysweeper]

I have tried subutex for a second time last night. It was a surprisingly good high until about 2 hours in. If it is effecting me the same as everyone else I am confused. The amount of irritation it gives you is unbearable. I spent the entire night itching myself wishing I could fall asleep. Even without the itching it would be hard to fall asleep which is odd because I don't have that problem with other opiates, but it feels like there are fucking bugs on you it's so bad. For me there is zero chance of sleeping on this or even relaxing after you get to the peak. I only did around half a milligram. Is this something y'all are experiencing?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks for the help, my DOC was heroin, and I was using quite a bit, nasally. I've been prescribed suboxone for months, I just never take it and use, but now I am moving out of town and want to get clean, so I am going to take around 45 pills (I have 45 it turns out so if you want to adjust it to that that's fine.) and go out of town and detox off heroin with the suboxone. If it were you , how exactly would you run the taper? And I should be able to get by with 8mg in the beginning. Thanks for helping me, you guys are helping me change my life. Just how exactly would you run the detox knowing this info?

Thank you to everyone.!

I would wait 24, maybe 48 hours into the WD's (I snorted heroin too) and then begin suboxone. I would start by sublingually dosing 2mg, or 4mg (for a heavier habit and worse WD symptoms).

You should feel significantly better. By this point, if you're feeling OK, you should try to wait as long as you can before you redose. I found that even in the worst WD symptoms, I would only need to dose 3, maybe 4 times a day at the most.

Now, I only do it 2, maybe 3 times a day.

As soon as you feel the WD symptoms of heroin start to subside within the first few weeks, I would lower your dose of buprenorphine each day. Start at 8mg a day, and work your way down to 6, 4, 2, and then eventually 1mg a day.

I have tried subutex for a second time last night. It was a surprisingly good high until about 2 hours in. If it is effecting me the same as everyone else I am confused. The amount of irritation it gives you is unbearable. I spent the entire night itching myself wishing I could fall asleep. Even without the itching it would be hard to fall asleep which is odd because I don't have that problem with other opiates, but it feels like there are fucking bugs on you it's so bad. For me there is zero chance of sleeping on this or even relaxing after you get to the peak. I only did around half a milligram. Is this something y'all are experiencing?

Do you have any opiate tolerance whatsoever? If not, then that might explain it.

0.5mg doses are great, I'm sorry you had such a negative reaction to it. Every person's unique though, but most opiates do cause the scratching reaction. More so heroin than buprenorphine, but people are unique and certain people may have bad reactions to certain drugs that other users don't.

I can't explain why you got so irritated off of such a large dose, did you take any other drugs with it? Or just the subutex by itself?

 

[icwfrock]

Wrong.

1mg IV = 1mg
1mg sublingual (with alcohol) = 0.7mg
1mg insuffulated = 0.5mg
1mg sublingual (w/o alcohol) = 0.3mg
1mg oral (not sublingual) = 0.1mg

These are the best (to worst) ways to do buprenorphine, and you said #3 was the best.

Captain.Heroin
I guess I did not clarify well enough, that the most effective way of taking suboxone for Me was " snorting " it. As per my experimentations on myself, posted for anyone willing to try new things. I will in future posts, clarify more clearly on such things.

 

[icwfrock]

ICWFROCK...I'm interested in actually "snorting" to at least try it. MrBlonde, ChrisinaBox,...
do you have any comments on this, for me? Ever tried it? I have been taking my 8mg tab daily
for a year now, sublingual, as directed. And to be honest? The addict in me would very much like to "feel" alittle something, if at all possible, even if that means crushing/chopping up my pill to snort it. Snort the whole amount, all at once? Or like two rails? Or what?

Thanks~

To be quite honest, try Captain . Heroin's alchohol along with sublingual dose under the tounge technique, that will create a chemical reaction with the pill and
create a much higher Bioavail.

Captain.Heroin, would say... mouthwash at 15% alcohol content suffice? I don't have the means to get strong liquor at this time, but am getting very tired of snorting it. I know it's eating away at my nasal cavity, I'd hate to end up with a bad septum over all of this. Plus snorting is way more compulsive behavior, and I sometimes find myself dosing when I don't need to just because of the ties with past snorting of pain pills.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

You should get some added benefit from 15 percent, however I've consistently used 75.5% (bicardi 151) and 47.3% (tanqueray gin), and I've gotten stellar results.

I know 6/7 (who came up with the method and thread that can be read here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=404947 ) used Malibu rum, which is 30% (I believe), and he also got good results.

I'm guessing 15% would still do it. Some people asked if wine would work well (which is also around, sometimes above or below 15 percent) and others replied "not as well", so I'm going to guess that's the answer for you.

However, you will get added benefit from doing it this way. And though I am used to an alternative route to administration for buprenorphine, I actually enjoy mixing in 13 to 15 units of 151 with my dose and just stick it under my tongue, swish it around for about 5 minutes, then spit it out. It works pretty nicely.

Sorry about not having the means to get hard liquor...age limits on substances are kind of meaningless.

 

[icwfrock]

Thanks for the reply:::: Ah, I figured, oh well when I run into some higher content liquor I will have to try it. Age wise I'm 24, but I am in unique circumstances which prevent me from really even leaving this house.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks for the reply:::: Ah, I figured, oh well when I run into some higher content liquor I will have to try it. Age wise I'm 24, but I am in unique circumstances which prevent me from really even leaving this house.

House arrest?

Just get some friends to bring you some, tell them you'll buy a litre and make a few drinks for them.

 

[Deveel]

going to the doctor on friday to look into getting a script. Does suboxone help with cravings? Ive been dealing with them since I got sober and keep relapsing. I'm hoping suboxone will help.

 

[bow-viper1]

going to the doctor on friday to look into getting a script. Does suboxone help with cravings? Ive been dealing with them since I got sober and keep relapsing. I'm hoping suboxone will help.

It'll help a lot, but not take them away completely.

 

[monstanoodle]

I was quite surprised how much it did erase a large deal of cravings
It's been about 12hrs since I dosed and, although I've thought that maybe I might need 2 doses a day instead of the one, I've not really craved any Heroin at all.

 

[chrisinabox]

hey quick question from my paranoid mind, i am on suboxone maintenance and have strep throat at the moment and at the doctor they gave me some ibuprofen(600mg) which i was basically forced to take. anyways, just wanted to make sure suboxone didn't conflict with ibuprofen in any way? i know ibuprofen is an NSAID and is not an opioid but i guess when it comes to suboxone and shit, i get paranoid about taking other stuff. so can i take my suboxone when i want or do i have to wait at all? would like to know cause it would be nice to dose right about now.

 

[bow-viper1]

hey quick question from my paranoid mind, i am on suboxone maintenance and have strep throat at the moment and at the doctor they gave me some ibuprofen(600mg) which i was basically forced to take. anyways, just wanted to make sure suboxone didn't conflict with ibuprofen in any way? i know ibuprofen is an NSAID and is not an opioid but i guess when it comes to suboxone and shit, i get paranoid about taking other stuff. so can i take my suboxone when i want or do i have to wait at all? would like to know cause it would be nice to dose right about now.

No, there is no conflict at all. Take your Ibuprofen - it'll really help. For strep throat, you probably want to take one of those 800mg every 4-5 hours.

 

[chrisinabox]

^so i can dose my suboxone whenever i want?

 

[bow-viper1]

^so i can dose my suboxone whenever i want?

Yeah, anytime you want. But if you are someone who gets euphoria, or even high from Suboxone, then you might want to wait 45 minutes after you take your Ibuprofen before dosing Suboxone. The only reason I say this is because by then the Ibuprofen will have kicked in and will allow you to enjoy your Suboxone much more.

Other than that, there is no need to even consider when the last time you took one or the other when re-dosing.

I hope you feel better, man. I've had strep several times and it is awful. But, because many of the symptoms are from inflammation, Ibuprofen is the one thing that actually allows you to forget that you are sick for a couple of seconds in a day. Make sure you take it.

 

[pantysweeper]

I can't explain why you got so irritated off of such a large dose, did you take any other drugs with it? Or just the subutex by itself?

I have zero tolerance, and I didn't take anything else with it. The fact that people can fall alseep on this is astonishing. Does noone else have a difficult time with this? This shit is unavoidable. This would be very pleasant if it weren't for the skin irratation

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I have zero tolerance, and I didn't take anything else with it. The fact that people can fall alseep on this is astonishing. Does noone else have a difficult time with this? This shit is unavoidable. This would be very pleasant if it weren't for the skin irratation

I meant to say "off of a small" and not "large" dose.

I know people with zero opiate tolerances who fall asleep off of 1mg or 2mg of buprenorphine. I guess I don't have a hard time with it, and I don't experience much skin irritation.

Do you feel like it was an allergic reaction?

 

[bow-viper1]

I have zero tolerance, and I didn't take anything else with it. The fact that people can fall alseep on this is astonishing. Does noone else have a difficult time with this? This shit is unavoidable. This would be very pleasant if it weren't for the skin irratation

Some people don't react well to thebaine derivatives. I've never seen anyone report an experience anywhere near what you describing. It might just not be for you.

If you decide to try it again, try taking 50mg of diphenhydramine with it. It will help with the itching a lot, and the insomnia to a degree. Most people who lack a tolerance to opioids experience stimulant-like effects from buprenorphine, and the diphenhydramine may not be enough to let you sleep easily.

Bottom line: if you find the effects to be so repugnant, stop taking it. You are certainly in the minority, and if you are looking to get high, stick with the full opioid agonists.

 

[subisjustokay]

So I finally got my dose lowered down to 8mg a day and I gotta say THANK YOU... you guys were right... LESS IS DEFINITELY MORE with this drug... I don't feel lethargic at all and also I've noticed my cravings for other opiates have lessened even more... I think I'll stay at this dose until I'm ready to finally come off. Hopefully that will be soon because this prescription cost me $204.00 for 30 pills!!

** Thanks to everyone for the advice!