sixpartseven
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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010
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sixpartseven said:
Dude. trust me. just taper down a little lower. you wont need rehab. ive been doing this all while at WORK!!!!!!!
my only problem was i jumped off a little tooo quick 2 mg to .5mg in 3 weeks is a little too fast.
I PROMISE YOU. if i can do this. you can do this. just taper down LOW LOW LOW. almost to nothing. then drop off.
im sure your a strong person. its 2-4 days of just a BAD flu. get yourself some meds. and handle it!
you dont need to blow $$$$ on rehab. you can do it.
headymeds
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why shoot suboxone?
^ Some people the nalxone doesn't effect negatively when injected (such as myself). This is probably because I only shoot a 1/4 of an 8mg pill max (someone stated that shooting more makes you feel worse). Also you get higher BA % and instant onset/alleviation when IVing. Since there are many more reasons NOT to shoot it, I'll only do it about once or twice a month. I usually snort it because I only use it once and awhile to relax/nod a little if I don't have anything else or to relieve withdrawal. I hate waiting for it under your tongue it tastes like what I'd imagine toilet bowl cleaner tastes like. (It's made by a company that makes cleaning products; go figure).
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kadaj said:
The naloxone wont effect anyone negatively if they havent done a full agonist opioid (heroin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, etc.,) in the last 24 - 36 hours. The only reason it would effect anyone negatively is if they didnt wait long enough, and it would do that because the BUPRENORPHINE, not the naloxone, would be knocking the full agonist off of the receptors.
Thats right. Naloxone doesnt do shit when IVed. It's the buprenorphine. Bupe is a partial agonist/antagonist, and has a higher affinity for the receptors than naloxone does, rendering naloxone ineffective no matter what route it is taken.
Because of Bupes partial antagonistic properties, it acts somewhat in the same way naloxone acts, and knocks other opiods off of the receptors so it can bind. Because it doesnt have full agonistic properties, there is a significant decrease in receptor activity, causing precipitated withdrawals.
That being said, you should not be IVing suboxone for a few reasons. The dyes and fillers/binders are very dangerous substances to be putting in your body, and since they are made to dissolve completely, filtering doesnt keep them out as well as it does with other drugs because they are water soluble. Buprenorphine is a vessicant (I believe thats the word), meaning it corrodes the veins from the inside out. And, if you are using suboxone for maintenance, you get screwed over because it doesnt last NEARLY as long as other routes, and your tolerance will go up significantly.
chrisinabox
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please read the rest of this thread before asking questions like this. they have been answered SO MANY times before its ridiculous. u should wait 36-48 hours prob to get better effects w/out too much bupe blocking.
sixpartseven
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There is no set amount of time. If you are wondering when you can get high, it's when withdrawals start to set in from the buprenorphine wearing off. If you're wondering when to take the buprenorphine, its when withdrawals start to set in from the opiate you got high on wearing off.
It's the same either way, and has been answered billions of times. Try doing your own research and reading a couple posts next time before asking a question.
It's the same either way, and has been answered billions of times. Try doing your own research and reading a couple posts next time before asking a question.
sixpartseven said:
I knew most of this that's why I only do it once or twice a month. I also only do it when I'm clean or withdrawing so I don't experience precip. w/d. I forgot the bupe has a higher affinity than the naloxone. I didn't know bupe corrodes your veins though. Do they not use it IV in any sort of professional setting? I know it's nasty shit to shoot I can even taste it when I IV it which is disgusting. Is Suboxone that sort of thing where IVing once is too much? I haven't had any complications but thinking about all the crap in the pills makes me wanna go from once or twice a month to never shooting again. Fortunately I just buy them off the street once and awhile not for maintenance.
Now that I think about it the first time I tried it (the only time I subbed it) it lasted way longer like you said. I'm just an IV junkie and like the rapid onset.
EnYAY said:
Do you mean "in excess"? I wouldn't say that's excessive at all. If it was me I would have taken two mg Xanax, 10mg Ambien, and 50-100mg diphenhydramine (I prefer to use Klonopin or Valium over Xanax for w/d if I can get it). Good to hear it's getting better you're definitely past the worst part. I kicked at the beginning of this year and it took about a week total. The first 3 days were definitely the worst. Now I'm not dependent but I still chip once and awhile (for no decent reason whatsoever). Don't be like me; stay off that shit for good!
Oh yea one question: You said "fuck that skag/junk" and also that you didn't wanna be "prisoner to a pill". What drug were you abusing? H and/or pills?
sixpartseven said:
To get off bupe with little/no withdrawl, you need to taper over a long period of time... They make 2 mg tabs for a reason, the main one (coming from 2 suboxone certified physicians) being that once you taper down on the 8 mg tabs, you then go to the 2 mg tabs, and taper down at even a slower rate. This way you can take 1/4 of the 2 mg for .5 mg, and even do this dose every other day.
For the best shot at getting off bupe without withdrawl, be patient...
see my post earlier with different schedules for tapering to get an idea
oh, and good luck
ThePharmacist25 said:
Yes bupe is much more potent! If I remember correctly, 1/4 of an 8mg tablet (2mg bupe) is equal to approx 80mg of oxycodone.
This relates to why tapering off suboxone over a week or two is usually not long enough (see post above)...
For those shocked about how potent it is compared to other commonly abused opiates, and why it is lower schedule if it is much stronger... it is because it is much less likely to be abused (as one of you guessed earlier)
The opiate equivalent charts are only based on analgesic properties (either chemical properties, or in test cases usually for back pain)
These charts never take into consideration euphoria, body high, etc.
So while it may be 30-50x stronger, it is not 30-50x more enjoyable
westyman said:
yes, this has been answered plenty of times in this post...
Answer A... no time at all, you can snort OC 5 min after the bupe disolves
Answer B... are you talking about the effects that you used to get from OC, wait 12-24 hours, you might feel half the high you did before... wait 36 hours, you might feel 3/4 the high you felt before... If you want the most high for your tolerance, wait until the lack of suboxone begins minor withdrawal symptoms, and wait as long as you can tolerate the withdrawal, then do the OC
ThePharmacist25 said:
again, already answered many times... you can can snort the powder for faster effects/"more of a high"... I do not know if the high would be any better or the bioavailability of nasal vs sublingual.. however, I did know several people who swore by this and always snorted it when using recreationally.
you can also plug it, I'd imagine the effects would be increased similar to any other opiate being plugged.
many state you can IV / shoot it, although in theory the suboxone was supposedly designed with naloxone to prevent this, in reality it seems the buprenorphine overpowers the naloxone.
So short answer... Dissolve under tongue, snort it, or plug it. Do not swallow it, that has poor bioavailability.
You can IV it, at your own risk (read other posts in this thread about the particles that stay suspended in the water when you inject it and naloxone 'fighting' for a short period of time)
kadaj said:
short note... for those complaining about the taste...
When I disolve my suboxone, 80% of the time I do not taste it at all.
once you put the tab under your tongue, keep your tongue flat against the tab, do not leave some sort of cavity for saliva to build up and disolve it... and if some does, then try your hardest to keep it under your tongue.
Disadvantage: It can take up to 30 min for the tab to dissolve due to the fact you are simply holding it against your tongue and there is not a bunch of saliva, so much dryer = much more time to disolve.
after the tab is disolved, if you have quite a bit of that weird tasting saliva under you tongue, you can keep it under the tongue and swallow it towards the rear of your mouth, only allowing it to travel under your tongue, and then up along your cheek/beginning of your throat... Basically avoiding contact with your tastebuds = not nasty
Spaazkaz said:
I rarely drink, with the exception of one year in highschool which I drank frequently (every weekend, and even vodka+energy drink mixtures in school during the week).
With the exception of that one year, alcohol is my least favorite drug..
After I was on suboxone, I ended up at a party and had a good 12 shots of Skyy vodka... I was fairly uneffected by the alcohol, even though usually I would be drunk of 7-8 shots of the same liquor. Despite the lack of effect from the alcohol, the next morning I had quite a hangover... Which was very interesting, because I never got hangovers previously.
I mentioned this to my suboxone physician out of curiousity. He confirmed that suboxone would most likely lessen the effects of alcohol, but most people have found the combination to cause bad hangovers.
As for marijuana... I found there to be no real difference when I was on suboxone, but then again, I wasn't using the suboxone recreationally...
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