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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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You find quitting suboxone diffcult bc youre using suboxone as an alternative to whatever opiate you were abusing to tickle your brains "opiate itch". Suboxone will not cure you

Suboxone isnt meant to cure your opiate addiction, its meant to help you take the first steps in a battle that is going to be difficult...but no matter what, youre still going to have to deal with applying yourself to get off and stay off opiates for the rest of your life.

This isnt an easy task but it can be done. Addicted addicts have to make a large lifestyle change in the way they live and think if they truly want to be clean.
 
MikeyMike125 said:
4mg for last 3 months i tried to go 2mgs but i felt like i was WDing so i just quit all together instead of extending it
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You have to "feel like you are WDing" some time, and tapering down on buprenorphine is the easiest way to quit it. If you just jump off of a certain dose, it becomes harder to quit.

Even if you felt like you were WDing you should have tapered to 2mg and then kept going down. Eventually you would have adjusted and it would have felt OK.
 
^agreed. mild withdrawals while dropping the dose down is much better than the withdrawal from a quick dropoff.

It took me 2 monthes to drop from 4 to 0 mgs. The longer you extend it the better. Worked for me, 1 year clean.
 
Yup. I got off Subbies. Only thing that worked in over a decade of trying :)

Physical withdrawals lasted 7-10 days for me (was some weird experimental treatment programme involving massive doses with Naltrexone chasers though :|) but mental/emotional withdrawals took (take?) considerably longer...

Much luck <3
 
Iv done it, I had to break down to sniffing less than .25mg a day over a week and it was painless. But I am back on subutex, why? I ust feel better on buprenorpine. I really find it to be an antidepressant. And I naturally have restless legs syndrome/insomnia. So it cures that.

But as far as being off for an extended time. One week was the most off. And now Im working on 3 years taking it
 
So I have been taking WAY too much Sub still, and i am closing on my house at the end of this month.... I take 16mg every morning and it last me throughout the day, this is actually LESS then my prescribed dosage. I have about 13 - 8mg tablets left and I would REALLY love to get off of them after this because the Dr. I get them from is CRAZY with all the charges he comes up with it... Any chance this could happen, I know it would be hard but is it possible to do a quick taper? not so much possible but will it be easier doing a 13 tab taper then just stopping cold turkey?
 
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So I have been taking WAY too much Sub still, and i am closing on my house at the end of this month.... I take 16mg every morning and it last me throughout the day, this is actually LESS then my prescribed dosage. I have about 13 - 8mg tablets left and I would REALLY love to get off of them after this because the Dr. I get them from is CRAZY with all the charges he comes up with it... Any chance this could happen, I know it would be hard but is it possible to do a quick taper? not so much possible but will it be easier doing a 13 tab taper then just stopping cold turkey?
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This is an alarmingly common story, and there are people (physicians) working in the community to spread awareness & change prescribing practices regarding buprenorphine.

But here we go:
If you're at sixteen mg daily, and I'm speaking from experience, you'll want to crash as hard as you can with your first drop. At least 50%. It's the one that hurts least, and you can "gain a lot of ground" here by being courageous. Then from eight or six milligrams you can sort of take your time. Go down a few mg every three days until you're at two.

From there I'm still a bit torn on what the best course of action is: I used to strongly advocate hopping off at 2mg, because the experience from there gets kindof unpleasant, doses get harder to measure accurately, and I start to lie to myself about how big this or that chunk looks. It's super easy to stall here and just run out of medication in a few weeks.

Now, if you've got some balls and some will power you'll find it's much easier to start moving this dose down with bup than other drugs; measuring your dose carefully and not letting the morning sickness/legs/splattershit fuck with your head is hard. It seems at lower doses this stuff has trouble holding you(me) for 24 hours at first, it does get better, though, in just a few days, and this part is the real difference between experiencing that "oldschool" torture or a relatively smooth ride.

I'm putting this in a light that presents it's challenges, but the benefits are immeasurable. All of these experiences are so much more mild with buprenorphine than other opiates/oids, and you have to do it. Maybe not now, but eventually, and while you've got the bup is the time to do it.

Hope this helps

EDIT: I saw that noone had answered this person's question, so:
missyKO said:
okay so this has probably been touched on in here but i can't seem to find the particular post that covers my question. i apologize in advance.

I'm a heavy heroin user spending well over a grand a week to get stuff and I think I'm ready to stop. I'm making an appt with a local sub doctor even though I don't have insurance bc I'm thinking it will be less expensive to pay for my meds than the heroin i buy daily. I was wondering to anyone who has been in sub treatment or is currently in treatment if you had any trouble going back to work or functioning at a normal pace? I have a very physical job and I work a lot of hours and I don't know if I should take a couple days off to get used to it. Is it even necessary? And how long until I start to feel "normal" again? My habit has been a secret to everyone in my life and showing signs of severe withdrawal would cause some confusion among family and friends.

Basically I'm looking for any input about the beginning of treatment and suggestions to keep others in the dark about my problems with opiates. I'm afraid if I keep this up I will lose my functioning addict lifestyle and lose everything/everyone in my life. Thank you- I really appreciate any input
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I know it's been a week, and whatever happened happened, and it probably wasn't too bad, but:

Missy, you're going to want to plan to have that first day on suboxone/buprenorphine off of work. If you've got a serious habit, I've found day one on bup to still be very painful sometimes. It's not about precipitated withdrawal, it's about skipping from "full agonism"(heroin) to "partial agonism"(bup). It just doesn't push the button hard enough at first, but by the second day that pain is all but gone. I promise.

PS:: is there a way to color-code posts to make threads like this easier to follow? I like to come in here and answer questions, but a lot does get lost in the jabber. There's just so much going on in here.

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chicagolove said:
whoops... yeah meant to say half a bag being .15 grams, not mg... typo
so yeah .30 grams yesterday, shooting for .15grams today (half a bag), i mean if i get it that low, and lower tomorrow, should i even use the bupe or just keep tapering... and ingannilo, i dont mean any disrespect for your advice when i try to get a second and third opinion on the matter, or to see if anything changes by giving you the exact grams of dope im doing each day. and im still not clear on if a 12 hr wait is enough to use the bupe. ive gone back and read half the thread this morning and just feel a bit more confused on what i should do in this matter.
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Okay, again, sorry for taking so long.

At ~.15g of dope daily, I'd expect to need right around 3mg minimum on day one, but it's rare anyone plays by the rules with this drug. I wouldn't go any higher than 6mg, though, or you'll have a lot more work to do on the way down. Sorry if I condascended, it frustrates me to think that of something I put loving energy into typing out being totally ignored, but wanting a second opinion is clearly a wise move. I could go back on about shit getting lost in this thread, but...


again, it's been a few days, but:
MikeyMike125 said:
Im on day 5 with no subs and it hasnt been that hard, i just used some very very unorthodoxed ways of doing it. first two days i took xanax, the 3rd and 4th day i took more xanax and took adderall 30mgs to stay active both days. Today is day 5 and I finally slept last great last night 10 hours. I know its a awkward way of doing this but ive tried so many times to quit, at least 20. and this is the furthest ive gotten. Ive been on suboxone since last May 2008, i started with 16mgs and got to 4mgs a day before i quit. I searched and searched but havent actually found a successful thread saying they actually quit (just alot of crying and bitching). I just wanna say Bupe may have longer WD's but they are not as acute as H. Id probably rather WD off the H because it only lasts 3-5 days. but i didnt know this before i got on the Bupe. If anyone has actually quit and stayed off the Bupe lemme know how long and howd you do it.
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I got off of buprenorphine two winters ago, and stayed off it for about five months. I was clean for about three months, but after getting involved in poppies and eventually heroin again, I got back on the bup at a fucking outrageous 24mg/day, which I've slowly tapered down (over almost a year) to 1mg. Did that with two scripts from my initial dose (blew off the doctor after the third month, and used my meds wisely). I've still got plenty to taper all the way down-- getting very close. Scary close.

Using benzo's like that's dangerous, and you can read all about the damage they can cause on this and other boards.

PPS:: One last thought on the megathread: PLEASE please please please move the posts that belong in BDD to BDD. There's a lot of them about recreational dosing, precipitated withdrawal, and the like.

which reminds me, finally, to chicagolove: 12 hours after smack is probably long enough. It depends on how rapidly you vacate the heroin from your body. The rule is to just wait until you're in sincere withdrawal. That's a question who's answer there's no excuse for not obtaining by search rather than adding clutter to an already difficult to follow thread
 
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can someone please tell me why the fuck buprenorphine makes me irritated as hell and gives me the worst headaches??? is there anything i can do to couteract this...

i recenetly had a terrible relapse with the needle and today is my first day on bupes...

i just took 4mgs and have the worst irrititability and headache on it.........

I usually never dose more than 4mgs a day even when im on maintence......


So why all the headaches and irritibility on bupe?
 
Am I alone here? Suboxone...

Over a three day period I've taken 20mg of Suboxone (8, 8, and 4). Last night, 24 hrs after my last 4mg dose, I took a medium sized dose of OC and to my surprise...I felt most, if not all of it. Wasn't even placebo, and my eyes were pinned and I felt the itch.

Is that rare for Sub? I've heard of people not being able to feel opies for a week after a single 4mg dose. The only thing I can think of in my case is my fast metabolism (with food, injuries, etc). I can take Sub 10 hours after my last OC dose and feel fine, no precipitated WDs. I also have a naturally (genetically?) high tolerance to opies (un-fucking-fortunately).

So who else here gets similar effects? I don't want to jinx my chances for tonight, but this just sparked my curiousity. Any input/stories of your own would be nice.
 
Some people can do that, not exactly sure as to why.

The majority of us have to wait about 36-48 hours for full effects and wait about 24hr after a full agonist to dose sub.
 
I just have to say one thing about suboxone... IF you have the willpower to not fuckin get prescribed to this. DO IT! IMO its evil, and the withdrawals are not just typical opiate withdrawal.... ITS twice as long and twice as bad, and the onset is up to 48 hours for withdrawals to fully kick in due to the long half-life.
 
i was only 21 when i started subs and i waitied like 4 hours after my last 6 lortabs to pop my first sub and i never went to Precip WD's I never get headaches like the people talk about. and I could take lortabs 18-24 hours later and feel a buzz (not 100%) but i felt it. Your the only other person ive met with the same situation . Now im on day 7 with no subs and im fine. everyone else talks about it taking months but I think everybody has diff situations and emotional state has to do alot about it. I just think 'if it aint hard then it aint me'. add me as a friend if u got more questions.
 
Dude everyone is different if someone did a 21 day Bupe treatment. Its not going to be hell to WD. I used Bupe for 1 year and 3 months and im on 7 days cold turkey off 4mgs. now Ive WD from bupe and opiates. and Bupe does last longer but is no where near as harsh as the opiate wd was. If you are WDing i wouldnt recommend coming to the boards for the first 3 days, because of the negativity some people have. Its not easy dont get me wrong. But as long as your physically and mentally prepared its not as hard as everyone makes this shit seem. Its like everyone thats WDing is trying to earn "battle stripes" by saying how hard it is. just gotta think "if it aint hard then this shit aint me". sorry for rambling but im 7 days clean and i finally got some energy to vent whew lol see yall on the other side
 
hey guys, haven't been here in a while but glad to see the community is still as good or better when i stopped frequenting the site. I know, i was still a green lighter but i lurked (for a while) and posted under a few friends names a couple of time.

Anyway, I stopped using OC like a year ago(used for over 3+ years). It was great for a while then a random thought popped into my head that lead me down another 3 month bender! I got almost back up to my original dose (160) insulated. But once again i couldn't maintain it. So i thought about cold turkey and was going to do it, but someone just happened to have a 8 sub for me.


Now my question is, I only had one of these little guys and literally took it down to crumbs, but i came out the other side only 4 days later with no withdrawal symptoms to speak off.

IS this a viable option for most people or did i just have the right mind set and the stars aligned just right or what???


thanks

*And yes i did have withdrawal symptoms before i started the sub, so i know it would have been much worse
 
got some questions in regards to brand name suboxone 8mg/2mg naloxone
just want to clear up a few things.

1. if you spit out the suboxone after disolving for 15 minutes under tounge? does the naloxone still get in your system? i spit out the crap, and it works for me fine, but im wondering about the naloxone.

2. if i take say 60mg's of oxycodone within say 10 hours of taking suboxone brand name, not subutex? will i have pain relief in addition to the bupe, and will it put me into precipitated wd's? or will it just have a zero effect?

3. now what would happen if i took suboxone again after say 10 hours of within taking 60mgs of oxycodone? wouldn't that put me in wds?

4. i started suboxone over a week ago, and im wondering whether or not i can take oxycodone for pain just as needed for additional pain relief? when i started taking suboxone i went into precip. wds immediately even though i waited atleast 16 hours.

5. i know your not suposed to take suboxone with oxy, however i want to know will it make me sick again?

thanks
 
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