Study says 1 joint increases chance of mental illness by 40% (merged)

Show us a link to the original study, if there really was a study. Are you saying the media fabricated the claim, and it's not even a finding of a study, they just made it up? I don't regularly follow british media. Is this typical for british media? For all I know, this is their "National Inquirer." On second thought, I guess most media anywhere is this bad.
 
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i read the whole article and i don't think it even mentioned the name of the study, so i have no idea how to go about finding it. also, usually when a study is first published, you have to pay to access it unless you are a subscriber to the specific journal it gets published in.

i'm not saying the media fabricated the claim that the incidence of mental illness is 41% higher in people who smoke cannabis. the difference is the actual study wouldn't have a sensationalist title which makes it sound like a causal relationship. i've read many studies on cannabis and psychosis and they always discuss confounding factors because scientifically, you simply can't establish a causal relationship with a quasi-experimental design.
 
This was front page on the Daily Mail yesterday, 'DANGER FROM ONE JOINT'. Funny stuff to read 1st thing in the morning with a joint in yer hand lol, it's all media propaganda designed to fool the general public into believing that cannabis is actually seriously dangerous.

But what really eats into my soul, is "Cannabis has been implicated in a string of vicious killings, including the recent stabbing of fashion designer Lucy Braham.". Now, this guy who killed Lucy was very mentally disturbed to begin with, along with a history of hard drug addiction. So what if he was a heavy pot smoker, that wasn't what turned him into a killer, many other factors were involved. Who knows, his heavy weed usage could have made him mentally worse, but the point is he was fucked from the beginning. In no way is pot solely to blame, but no, they love to jump on this and use it as an argument against weed. Yet more bullshit and lies from our government regarding drugs.
 
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^they didn't say pot was solely to blame though, they just said it was "implicated" which doesn't really mean anything.
 
This study is ridiculous. Ask any fairly knowledgeable cannabis user and they will tell you that if you have a history of mental illness, not to abuse the stuff. I dont understand why they need to jump to so many conclusions, ridiculous ones at that!

Also you cant have any conclusive evidence because in order to know if a person would have become psychotic or become schizophrenic you have to have the person not smoke cannabis, thus you cannot use cannabis consumers as statistic!! So you have to tally the non cannabis and cannabis smokers. The results of the study are impossible to conclude because you cannot tell when a person would have developed a psychosis if he/she did not consume any marijuana.

God i could rant forever on all the flaws and impossible conclusions in this study.
 
qwe said:
if the number of cannabis users jumps from less than .1% to 30% + (after popularization of cannabis in the 60s), there should be statistical evidence in schizophrenia sufferers. or did all the other variables happen to decrease schizophrenia at exactly the same time cannabis became popular, and at just the right pace?


if you smoke a joint, you are playing with (and, arguably, perhaps harming) YOUR brain/mind

if you abuse a child, you are harming another person

big difference

you, my friend, have your head on straight. i read this article in the paper this morning and almost fell over laughing...

what people consider to be "facts" and "research" are pretty worthless when it comes to marijuana, specifically when it's government funded
 
This newspaper article is absolutely absurd i cannot believe this type of horrendous journalism can even be allowed to be published, but i guess it happens everyday....

I smoked pot and it released these suppressed fucked up emotions inside me and then i dealt with them, it took some time but i eventually dealt with them. now i can smoke pot with a clear sheet and experience how nice the herb of life feels to smoke.
I have a friend who actually treats his schizophrenia with pot smoking, i also have 2 other aquantances who do the same thing! why isnt this being reported! psychedelics including weed can actually have some beneficial effects with treating mental illness.

PSTD - MDMA
Addiction - Ibogaine
Cluster headaches/migraines - Psilocybin
Schizophrenia - LSD, DMT, Psilocybin, pot
Depression and anxiety - MDMA, DMT, LSD , PSilocybin, pot

these are just some of the drugs that have proven benefical effects, www.maps.org outlines research projects around the world.

psychonauts use psychedelics to explore the mindscape, the mindscape is made accessible by the psychedelics and this can only be positive for people with illness who need somthing more to hold on to.
 
Government funded meta analysis.

This is far from "science".

I am more of a scientist than these bastards in my personal hash oil research.
 
The really fu**ed up thing is that they blame the guy stabbing the fashion designer on his having smoked weed. Why aren't they blaming it on the cocaine that he had already been using?

I did read this in an American newspaper but it didn't go into as much detail is this.

It's sad because people actually believe this shit although the science behind it is so stupid... seems like some sort of government propaganda. Probably because the new P.M. doesn't want weed to be Class C.

Also, considering that people that use/have used heavier drugs also probably smoked a joint before the age of 18... How come they aren't blaming the psychosis on the LSD they also did, etc??

This is some b.s.
 
clamjuice said:
This study is ridiculous. Ask any fairly knowledgeable cannabis user and they will tell you that if you have a history of mental illness, not to abuse the stuff. I dont understand why they need to jump to so many conclusions, ridiculous ones at that!

Also you cant have any conclusive evidence because in order to know if a person would have become psychotic or become schizophrenic you have to have the person not smoke cannabis, thus you cannot use cannabis consumers as statistic!! So you have to tally the non cannabis and cannabis smokers. The results of the study are impossible to conclude because you cannot tell when a person would have developed a psychosis if he/she did not consume any marijuana.

God i could rant forever on all the flaws and impossible conclusions in this study.


this has been pointed out numerous times and it should go without saying that you can't prove a causal relationship through a quasi-experimental design. however, let me ask you this: if a study found that tobacco smokers had a greater risk of developing cancer of the lung than non smokers, would you consider that ridiculous?

i can't comment on this study because i haven't read the study, only a sensationalist news article. but i'm very familiar with much of the prior research that's been done on cannabis and mental illness and i can tell you with certainty the link is there and persists beyond the most obvious confounding factors, such as other drug use or predisposition to mental illness.

i don't think it's far fetched at all to conclude to speculate that smoking large amounts of cannabis can cause mental problems.
 
Rambozo said:
The really fu**ed up thing is that they blame the guy stabbing the fashion designer on his having smoked weed. Why aren't they blaming it on the cocaine that he had already been using?

I did read this in an American newspaper but it didn't go into as much detail is this.

It's sad because people actually believe this shit although the science behind it is so stupid... seems like some sort of government propaganda. Probably because the new P.M. doesn't want weed to be Class C.

Also, considering that people that use/have used heavier drugs also probably smoked a joint before the age of 18... How come they aren't blaming the psychosis on the LSD they also did, etc??

This is some b.s.


my question is, if cannabis is indeed dangerous, mightn't it be safer to legalize it? that way patients wouldn't be reluctant to discuss any problems they were having with it with their doctors.
 
burn out said:
it goes without saying that you can never truly establish cause from a quasi-experimental design. you can't prove that tobacco smoking causes lung cancer, you can only show that people who smoke tobacco have much higher rates of lung cancer.

your criticisms are based on even weaker logic. for instance, i know people who smoked tobacco for 30 years with no problems. i don't know ONE SINGLE PERSON who has lung cancer even out of all the people i know who smoke. i guess i should conclude that tobacco smoking doesn't cause cancer and all the research is just propaganda.

Now you're being silly. Generally speaking, lung cancer appears to take much longer to develop than supposed psychosis induced by drug use. We are being presented with example after example of young adults, mainly aged 20-30, who are being said to develop psychosis possibly after only one joint.

No other factors and variables are being taken into account. For example in the UK we have permanently high unemployment, where 1,000,000+ (+ a lot) is perfectly acceptable. Where the divide between rich and poor has gathered pace. A society based on the attainment of material goods. A society that is writing off more and more young people in school from an early age. Etc etc.

On this basis, those of us living here, particularly those of us who have been part of a drug sub-culture for 30 years, have one or two little cynicisms to overcome before we swallow any more reefer madness. We can see the political machinations behind this. Its a shame your enquiring mind cannot.
 
frizzantik said:
of course if you show signs of mental illness you should stop using all drugs until your doctors says it's ok, but even this article says it's not really something most people have to worry about. of course you don't get that in the headline.. all you get is sensationalistic bullshit.. "one joint will make you an insane killer!!! the devil's weed!!" I can't believe the UK is so caught up in reefer madness after all these years
It's not, a handful of poloticians and a few newspapers does not constitue UK being gripped by reffer madness.
 
burn out said:
it goes without saying that you can never truly establish cause from a quasi-experimental design. you can't prove that tobacco smoking causes lung cancer, you can only show that people who smoke tobacco have much higher rates of lung cancer.

your criticisms are based on even weaker logic. for instance, i know people who smoked tobacco for 30 years with no problems. i don't know ONE SINGLE PERSON who has lung cancer even out of all the people i know who smoke. i guess i should conclude that tobacco smoking doesn't cause cancer and all the research is just propaganda.
I'm just as likely to believe lung cancer is caused by road, agricultural and industrial polution then tobacco.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/jul/28/drugs.drugsandalcohol

You know when cannabis hits the news you're in for a bit of fun, and this week's story about cannabis causing psychosis was no exception. The paper was a systematic review and then a "meta-analysis" of the data which has already been collected, looking at whether people who smoke cannabis are subsequently more likely to have symptoms of "psychosis" or diagnoses of schizophrenia. Meta-analysis is, simply, where you gather together all of the numbers from all the studies you can find into one big spreadsheet, and do one big calculation on all of them at once, to get the most statistically powerful result possible.

Now I don't like to carp, but it's interesting that the Daily Mail got even these basics wrong, under their headline "Smoking just one cannabis joint raises danger of mental illness by 40%". Firstly "the researchers, from four British universities, analysed the results of 35 studies into cannabis use from around the world. This suggested that trying cannabis only once was enough to raise the risk of schizophrenia by 41%."

In fact they identified 175 studies which might have been relevant, but on reading them, it turned out that there were just 11 relevant papers, describing seven actual datasets. The Mail made this figure up to "35 studies" by including 24 separate papers which the authors also found on cannabis and depression, although the Mail didn't mention depression at all.

They also said that "previous studies have shown a clear link between cannabis use in the teenage years and mental illness in later life". They then described some of these previous studies. These were the very studies that are summarised in the new Lancet paper.

But what was left out is as interesting as what was added in. The authors were clear - as they always are - that there were problems with a black-and-white interpretation of their data, and that cause and effect could not be stated simply. For ongoing daily users, as an example, it's difficult to be clear that cannabis is causing people to have a mental illness, because their symptoms may simply be due to being high on cannabis all the time. Perhaps they'd be fine if they were clean.

It was also interesting to see how the risk was numerically reported. The most dramatic figure is always the "relative risk increase", or rather: "cannabis doubles the risk of psychosis", "cannabis increases the risk by 40%". Because schizophrenia is comparatively rare, translated this into real numbers this works out - if the figures in the paper are correct, and causality is accepted - that about 800 yearly cases of schizophrenia are attributable to cannabis. This is not belittling the risk, merely expressing it clearly.

But what's really important, of course, is what you do with this data. Firstly, you can mispresent it, and scare people. Obviously it feels great to be so self-righteous, but people will stop taking you seriously. After all, you're talking to a population of young people who have worked out that you routinely exaggerate the dangers of drugs, not least of all with the ridiculous "modern cannabis is 25 times stronger" fabrication so beloved by the media and politicians.

And craziest of all is the fantasy that reclassifying cannabis will stop six million people smoking it, and so eradicate those 800 extra cases of psychosis. If anything, for all drugs, increased prohibition may create market conditions where more concentrated and dangerous forms are more commercially viable. We're talking about communities, and markets, with people in them, after all: not molecules and neuroreceptors.
 
A single joint of cannabis raises the risk of schizophrenia by more than 40 per cent, a disturbing study warns.

Disturbing for all those UK government ministers who recently have proudly admitted that they only tried smoking hash once =D


Ha ha ha.

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shit, if our leaders are borderline schizophrenic, I shall take the lead! I've smoked a thousand times the amount they have, but am incredibly immune to the schizo thing! YES! power to the people! My first enactment shall be the legalization of all drugs except cannabis, because smoking it once raises the risk of schizophrenia by more than 40 per cent.
 
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