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Study says 1 joint increases chance of mental illness by 40% (merged)

New study demonstrates conclusively! Sun revolves around earth!

Wow. It was effective enough to put a dime in us alright...5 pages worth of refutation.

There's an old story about Lyndon Johnson. He tried spreading a rumor that a political opponent of his had sex with pigs.

Somebody says to him: Lyndon! Nobody's going to believe that! He responded: I don't care if anyone believes it, I just want the motherfucker to deny it.

Edit: I got this story out of Hunter Thompson's book, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, 1972 So...

There's another story in there about how he gave his press pass to some drunk who boarded the Muskie campaign train. The guy went completely nuts. He called R.W. Apple a "faggot", tried to start about ten fights, and capped off by relentlessly heckling Muskie at the next stop.
 
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shamanicmike said:
i think n4k33n summed it up perfectly in that post, it was a perfect argument against burnt out's views.
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most of the arguments in that post, i already addressed earlier in this thread.

burnt out, i believe your drug use released a latent mental disorder at an earlier stage than usual or maybe you smoked some pot and experienced a psychotic episode so you automatically linked the two. pot can aggrevate psychotic disorders but it can also treat them, as with all psychedelics. but the fact remains, pot doesn't 'cause' psychoses.
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that's an opinion, not a fact.

ps. the mind is manipulated and altered by events, people, substances, experiences in life, some of it is negative some of it positive. its up to you what you do with the negative experiences. is a negative drug experience a pointless journey? absolutley not.
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who said a negative drug experience was pointless? the issue here is the relationship between cannabis consumption and psychotic symptoms. i'm not even talking about single drug experiences.
 
burn out said:
i'm not even talking about single drug experiences.
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I think that's what most peole are objecting to: the newspaper coverage is talking about single drug experiences, hence the general disbelief and irritation it causes most of us...
 
entheogenius said:
I think that's what most peole are objecting to: the newspaper coverage is talking about single drug experiences, hence the general disbelief and irritation it causes most of us...
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I think even more so they're not saying it is a contributing factor but THE cause. It is inferred throughout that cannabis causes psychosis. I think that is the real contention here or at least mine.

And it has been brought up that cannabis induces it in healthy "normal" people. I would contend that if it creates this condition in a healthy "normal" person that that person only appeared to be healthy and normal. You've either got methylation/DA issues whatever causes psychosis or you do not. They can't make the connection between cannabis usage and psychosis. Once you've smoked cannabis there is no way to compare or say that psychosis was not eventual. Is weed a contributing factor mayhaps, catalyst... sure, but cause/creation of severe mental illness? This meta-study does not support that conclusion. Schizophrenia is pretty common; about 20% of the rate of asthma in the general populace of the United States.

But in the end it's a statistic that people are applying incorrectly. Compared to healthy non-schizophrenic individuals weed smokers are 1.4 times more likely to show symptoms. It's a population statistic and cannot be applied to an individual. Weed smoking may make a single individual go over the edge but present no risk to someone without the inherent methylation disorder or DA imbalances.

It's great for bipolar disorder IMHO. Where's my schizo-haler? Oh... that's right my pharmacy is unreliable.

PAX,
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maybe if someone said cannabis leads to terrorism... nah they already tried that. =)


But seriously, im sure if you have an underlying mental condition and you are smoking pot, it IS a mild psychedelic, so im sure it can act as a trigger... still a mentally healthy person will not develop psychosis from pot smoke... why not target LSD as it CAN cause mental problems in healthy people if they get stuck in a bad trip/thought loop. The reason is because they are trying to counter the reduction of marijuana's "illegal status", and LSD is not used nearly as much.

The people that pointed this out were right: this is extremely similar to 1930s propaganda... violence and murder being the main hook.. something we all know marijuana is extremely unlikely to cause.

How about show a fucking stastistic comparing people who have smoked pot and nothing really happened to those that have gone off the deep end?
 
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im sick of hearing all this ignorance!
off topic for a second....



LSD & DMT CURES SCHIZOPHRENIA AND PSYCHOSES
and there are probably many more psychedelics that possibly do the same!

when i became a memeber of bluelight i thought at least the site would be void of this sort of ignorance from some people.... do your research. psychedelics are curing mental illness's not creating them.

if u read the mainstream media or government funded research u are gonna get the same old shit again AND again, anti-drug propaganda.
look towards scientific studies, neurological scan results, unbiased specialists, u get the the drift.
 
burn out said:
but i'm very familiar with much of the prior research that's been done on cannabis and mental illness and i can tell you with certainty the link is there and persists beyond the most obvious confounding factors, such as other drug use or predisposition to mental illness.

i don't think it's far fetched at all to conclude to speculate that smoking large amounts of cannabis can cause mental problems.
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i think the latter is true & i know many who have given it up to avoid paranoia. still i think the % of users who reach the stage of significant mental problems would be very small.

the prior research you speak of & the "link" i doubt as the research is likely tainted & given the below how does one differentiate which came first.

People diagnosed with schizophrenia are likely to be diagnosed with comorbid conditions, including clinical depression and anxiety disorders; the lifetime prevalence of substance abuse is typically around 40%. ( Wiki )
 
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