Study: Alcohol more harmful than heroin, cocaine

RLP said:
By the very definition, you can't be 'moderately addicted.' It's nonsense. It's like saying someone is half dead. No, it's one or the other and I'm sure there are plenty of people who use heroin moderately. If we're going down that line though, why don't we discuss ecstasy or LSD which are physically non-addicting?
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You're confusing addiction with physical dependence.
 
"This is such a barmy assertion that one scarcely knows where to begin. Does the lady next door who enjoys a glass or two of wine constitute a threat to herself and to others? "

Funny how he thinks he has common sense. If the lady next door was popping Extacy pills he would think differently. The irony of this is priceless. Ignorant cunt!

p.s. I hate the daily fail
 
What a fucking fool

Man I thought our news in the US was shit.. But fuck, this article takes the cake. I'm sorry you fine UK folks have to listen to this garbage.
 
Typical Daily Mail rubbish. It's aimed at... well I don't really know who daily mail readers are... hmm bigoted cunts that are fed celebrity gossip, fear and right wing ideals by morons that call themselves journalists. It's to be ignored, I'm sure half their publishings are deliberately 'controversial', how else could a group of 'professionals' be so fucking stupid.
 
I wonder whether they actually believe the stuff they write or whether they're just doing it to get more readers i.e. selling themselves out?
 
You're probably thinking of a previous study published by the Lancet:
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Quite a few of us disagreed with that one...
 
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Exactly. Methylamphetamine IS Methamphetamine. Same drug, the BBC have just chosen to write out the 'methyl' part whereas most people just say the 'meth' part when speaking/writing about the chemical.
 
^^edit: Beat me to it. I should have read the thread before replying! :o

MikeHawk said:
They say "methylamphetamine" in the BBC report. Do they not mean methamphetamine?
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The two words are synonyms. "Methamphetamine" is short for N-methyl-alpha-methyl-phenylethylamine.
 
Funny that. I always told my parents that my use of poppy pods and Kratom (Kratom during breaks) was less physically harmful than slamming a 12 pack of beer each night.

I do wonder about pesticides in pods though. But that's for another thread.
 
Portuguese experts agree ‘alcohol is more harmful than drugs’

Portuguese experts agree ‘alcohol is more harmful than drugs’ in wake of controversial UK study
5th November 2010

A controversial new study co-authored by a former UK chief drugs advisor which claims alcohol is more harmful than hard drugs like heroin or crack cocaine has been widely backed by Portuguese experts and clinical professionals.

The new study ranks 20 drugs on 16 measures of harm to both users and to the wider society. Nine measures relate to harm caused to the individual and seven relate to harm inflicted on others, both in the UK and overseas.

The study concluded that, overall, alcohol is more harmful than class-A drugs like heroin and crack cocaine. Tobacco and cocaine are judged to be equally harmful, while ecstasy and LSD are among the least damaging. The findings contradict the UK’s current drugs classification system.

Published in The Lancet medical journal, the study’s results have been backed by experts and professionals in this country who work closely with individuals affected by addictions including drink and drugs.

Andrew Vicente, Chief Executive and clinical collaborator at the Nova Vida Recovery Centre in the Algarve, said he “absolutely, 100 percent” agreed with the findings.

“It is what we have been saying for years to people”, he told The Portugal News, adding “statistically, alcohol kills more”.

Particularly worrying in his opinion is the “destructive nature of alcohol.” Justifying the concern, he explained “A high percentage of domestic violence is attributed to alcohol”, which in more serious cases, he stressed, can lead to unemployment, emotional damage, and the break-up of families.

Full article here http://www.theportugalnews.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?id=1086-2
 
Volundr said:
Typical Daily Mail rubbish. It's aimed at... well I don't really know who daily mail readers are...
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A quick search on Google Images for "Daily Mail Reader" suggests that they may look something like this...

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This is a bit like saying that driving is more dangerous than sky diving. It may be, but only because very many more people do it.
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Driving is more dangerous than sky diving...

Driving is an extremely dangerous activity!

Awkward analogy is awkward, BTW.
 
The journalist quality of that article is shocking - even for The Daily Fail.

We live in an age inclined to believe almost everything scientists say, even when it flies in the face of common sense and our own observations.
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I can just imagine this would be their response in the 17th century to the suggestion that the world was indeed spherical.
 
7zark7 said:
The journalist quality of that article is shocking - even for The Daily Fail.


I can just imagine this would be their response in the 17th century to the suggestion that the world was indeed spherical.
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The first part of that sentence actually makes some sense: it's not because there's a study out there that makes a claim that that claim is therefore true. Errors in the investigation such as the collecting and interpretation of data or bias of the researchers can completely change the conclusion of a study.

At least I think that was the point he was trying to make , it's kind of hard to see behind all of the (infuriating but hilarious ) soccer-mom hysteria.
 
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