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Misc Stuck on Phenibut

I made it through today with very minimal problems..felt good actually...using a total of 4g of phen and 1mg of xanax. I only have .5mg of xanax left. trying to save for tomorrow.

have a guy that swears he can get me bars by tomorrow...i gave him some cash and hes going to try to get them. he's a long time friend so i completely trust. hes also actually a coworker so he said hed bring in my bars to work tomorrow if he got them early enough as i work 830-530 tomorrow. Really really hoping he can come through on this...as im not sure i can make it through a 9 hour shift with .5mg of xanax. this is also leaving me confused on how much phen to take in the morning.

im amazed though how much tiny doses of xanax have been helping. i cut down from 12-15g a day to 4g today (3 days later) with little w/ds other than sleeplessness. If i get more bars i know i can be off this shit in no time.
 
I really wouldn't stay on xanax more than a few days or else you will still be miserable, can't imagine phenibut and benzo WD man. It seems to be working for you, so I won't knock your strategy as there is always more than one way home. Use the xanax for now to get your phenibut dose down to just a few grams a day, order some gabapentin man we aren't lying to you it really will help. Good luck.
 
^ Ahhh I had the pleasure of going through a simultaneous phenibut + benzo withdrawal. Never. Again. I didn't plan it that way either - it just so happened that I ran out of everything at the same time and was unable to obtain more. I was due to go on an 8-hour flight the day after I ran out of everything.. I paid big bucks to upgrade to first class thinking that'd help but it was still the most uncomfortable flight of my life. I was so delusional that I began truly believing that the flight attendants were planning to take the plane down over the rocky mountains..
 
gaba a and b w.d simultaneously sounds like pure hell man sorry to hear that!

my friend never came through on the xanax, and called in sick for work today, and i havent been able to get ahold of him. great.

however, i took 2g of phen at 530 am, .5mg my last of xanax at 8 am, and 2g of phen at 12 pm. around 12 i started getting really anxious, dizzy, shaky....probably didnt help that i had no idea if i was going to get xanax. i drank some chamomille on my lunch break and it actually helped A LOT.

i made it through my shift pretty uncomfortably, but nothing too much to handle whatsoever. pretty awesome. if im able to be a 4g of phen right now maybe i dont need xanax anymore anyway. will look into ordering gabapentin now..try to find a reputable source.

I have no idea what of doses i should be taking of gabapentin though?
 
Gabapentin comes in 100/300/600mg doses and it's got a pretty liberal dosage curve. If you can't find that then I'd definitely check out L-Theanine. It actually stopped a couple phenibut withdrawal-induced panic attacks. I'm not quite sure why (for me, at least) it works wonders for GABA-B withdrawal and not GABA-A, but it does. Kava is also another one that can't hurt and both can be found OTC and won't hinder your performance at work. You'll still be depressed and 'off' but better that than living inside of a 48-hour panic attack.
 
Have actually heard of Theanine and Kava helping. I have swithced to green tea instead of coffee lately because the coffee makes things worse and the theanine in green tea probably helps.

Now that i have extra money that i didnt spend on xanax I may get some L Theanine and Kava. Will Kava extract work or do i need root? I actually saw both at the vitamin shop and eextract was much more reasonably priced.

Anyone ever try Bachs Rescue Remedy as well? Have heard good things.

And do you guys all agree that L-Theanine and Kava would help?
 
If you're going to go with a vitamin shoppe brand I'd say you're better off with an extract, try to find the one in the glass bottle with the dropper. Not sure about the Bachs you mentioned. Theanine more than anything was my biggest savior in terms of being able to stop a full blown panic attack.
 
Will pick up some theanine tomorrow morning before work then. I only say Kava extract capsules and root but there was a wall full of droppers too i didnt look at. I just dropped in for a couple minutes to browse before work a couple days ago.

Green Tea DID seem to help somewhat take the edge off..will L-Theanine capsules be a great deal better?

I seriously cannot believe how much better i feel than 3 days ago though, I seriously thought I was on the brink of having to be admitted to a mental ward..felt like i was completely losing it.

Now, I just have a headache, mild anxiety, and feel like shit..which ironically, feels great. :)
 
The guy called back finally, and is supposedly dropping off my bars to me right now. i've been able to literally cut my daily phen doses in half while on low doses of xanax so this is still my preferred method. thining ill keep cutting back then jump to l theanine after the bars run out in about 5 days. Should avoid benzo w/d this way.


...assuming the bars come through...which i havent had much luck with.
 
Man, I know this sounds incredibly selfish but I wish you would avoid going to the ER unless you start seizing or something. Or at least just not mention phenibut. Too much attention and this stuff will get scheduled. Try some valerian root with passion flower. You couldn't take it before or at work because it'll make you sleepy but it should calm you down in the evenings. Helped me quite a bit while I went through benzo wd. Kept the panic attacks at bay.
 
I am almost in the same boat as you though OP. not as bad (I don't think), but I have been taking phenny every single day for months and months. somehow my tolerance has been pretty stable at around 5 grams a day but just this past week or so I notice I wake up clammy and anxious and immediately have to dose. I don't have any clue how bad my withdrawals could get because I am too much of a pussy to start a taper. I try to but at the first sign of feeling even a little anxious I take more. I went through pure hell with alcohol and benzo withdrawals at the same time and I am terrified of experiencing anything similar to that again.
 
my friend came through on the xanax. tookk 1mg right now for sleep.

thinking of jumping off phen after a 1.5g dose tomorrow..then taking xanax til sunday. that would be i think 8 days of taking xanax in a row and a total of 18.5 mg.

that wont cause me w/d will it?

btw, on the 1mg xanax,i feel zero w/d symptoms.
 
Normally benzos won't entirely mask a GABA B withdrawal like the kind caused by phenibut but it seems to be working very well for you. Considering the dosages you were taking I'd say you're lucky. Still the L-Theanine is a great idea.

Taking benzos for longer than a few weeks, straight, especially high doses, will probably cause some rebound anxiety and insomnia. Its after months or years of use, once your brain adjusts, that you really start heading for trouble. It's easy to fall into a habut of very regular use when you can just pop a xanax and make all your anxiety go away so quickly. Its like the crack of the benzo world, instant gratification.

Since GABA A and GABA B drugs only seem to have some cross tolerance, if you're able to stop the phenibut completely, and still be functional with benzos and theanine, I'd definitely try it. I have a feeling that without any phenibut at all you will feel a bit shitty, but maybe not. After a week with no phenibut you should be past the point of serious pheni withdrawals. At that point quickly taper off the xanax.

You'll probably still experience mild discomfort, depression, anxiety, and insomnia. You'll probably have no sex drive. But it'll be far from the nightmare of kicking cold turkey. Then again, if you haven't gone through benzo withdrawal in the past, you might be in the clear.
 
took 1 g of phen today. Will try to jump off tomorrow using xanax and theanine. Thank you guys for all your help, we'll see how it goes.
 
butcher22 said:
I am almost in the same boat as you though OP. not as bad (I don't think), but I have been taking phenny every single day for months and months. somehow my tolerance has been pretty stable at around 5 grams a day but just this past week or so I notice I wake up clammy and anxious and immediately have to dose. I don't have any clue how bad my withdrawals could get because I am too much of a pussy to start a taper. I try to but at the first sign of feeling even a little anxious I take more. I went through pure hell with alcohol and benzo withdrawals at the same time and I am terrified of experiencing anything similar to that again.
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Get something subtle to help you taper. I was at the same dose as you, actually I was probably taking way more than 5g a day because at the time I didn't have a scale and when I finally did get one, I immediately started to weigh out 5g a day and I was definitely not feeling the same.I tapered down my phenibut while I was taking plain leaf kratom. I would suggest something like cannabis, plain leaf kratom, or kava while tapering to get some relief while not worrying about causing a worse habit.

Just do it at your own pace, I had to taper really slow. I read stories about people jumping from 5g to 2-3g in just a few days. Not me. I had a scare when I first started tapering that told me I was going too fast. I got what I would call these brain zaps, like almost adrenaline starts pumping when I was about to go to sleep. That shit was scary, luckily I had kava on hand which isn't really strong but it always gave me relief if I was having a panic attack.

But back to the tapering schedule. I would jump .1g -.5g a day and stay at a dose for a few days if I felt like it. I noticed it would take my body a couple days to adjust to the new dose but I was still getting "high" from the doses. It's just in the 5g+ doses you take in each day, the highs were so different for me day to day. Sometimes I would be nodding out, other times full of energy.

Weird drug. Like I said, I found some gabapentin which came in 300mg pills, and when I got down to 1-2g of phenibut a day, I stopped completely and took 1200-1500mg of gabapentin the first day. I really love gabapentin, it's so subtle but it just gave me the boost I needed and eliminated most of the WD. I actually went to work the first day on it and felt kind of euphoric actually. Just be careful not to stay on gabapentin for too long, as others say there is a WD. Fucking withdrawal man, has to ruin everything :(. But taking it for a few days I noticed no ill effects, I kind of felt off for 2 weeks after stopping both pheni and gabapentin but there was no panic attacks/insomnia(although I started smoking again at this point so I didn't have trouble with sleep)

The good thing about phenibut, seems to be that no one really complains about severe PAWS like benzos and opiates. I can't say I have experienced any that I would claim came from phenibut. So that's a plus.
 
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today has gone fairly well. only one dose of phen 1g in the morning and have spread out 2mg of xanax through out the day. i did have about a 30 min episode of moderate anxiety..and another hour or so long of severe depression but nothing unmanageable. Will probably take another .5mg of xanax in a couple of hours to get to sleep.

Tomorrow, wednesday im thinking i might still take 500mg of phenibut then attempting the jump off on thursday as i have that day off work. and continuing xanax and hopefully theanine. like i said money is extremely tight right now with rent due in two days and the urgent care/prescroption/bar expenditures.

right now i feel pretty good and calm. a little depressed but overall, okay.:)
 
been about 48 hours since my last phen dose of 500mg. been using xanax as sparingly as possible and it has been helping a ton. Probably will only have enough to last me through today and tomorrow...then i have the next two days off work after that so this could work out nicely.

Its not so much the anxiety thats been bugging me today but the depression. Been feeling really sad, emotional and untalkative.

An interesting side story is that a coworker and i have been falling for each other and it started getting pretty serious recently and it just so happens that things started escalating the most quickly right around the same time as my phen. problems. I decided to just be open with her about it and she was actually very understanding and supportive, maybe she's a keeper. :) But our relationship is taking off during my phen withdrawals...which can really help at times or really make things worse at other times (feeling obliged to be a certain way). But like I said, she's been really cool :)

This depression does suck though, but its not nearly as bad as the anxiety methinks. But i seriously just feel like laying here and that the whole world is against me. The bright side is i realize this is completely in my in my head so i know im not dying like i literally thought with the anxiety.

Any tips on the depression atm with nothing other than a few mgs of xanax to get me through? And to heal my brain?i think on my next payheck ill pick up some fish oil and theanine....possibly 5htp. Start working out again.

Should i go back on noopept or no? I did take about 20 mg last night and it definitely made me more anxious. Possibly start that back up in a week or so?
 
There isn't too much you can do about the depression, but the good news is that it only lasts a few days to a week. Your brain is trying to sort itself out since GABA-B plays a role in many, many different processes - it's not simply limited to anxiety and muscle relaxation. Once it's over it's over unlike GABA-A and opioid withdrawal. The only lingering effects I noticed were things like sleep disturbances and decreased libido. Glad you're doing well - definitely don't go back to the Phenibut for at least another 6 months and don't ever expect the magic to return regardless of how long you wait.
 
Well that's good news about the depression leaving. I even took a two hour nap now and feel a bit better.

I do still have a good amount of phen on hand, and at the moment want nothing to do with it so i might just rid myself of it.

I always trip out on my time perception on xanax. 3 days ago seems like yesterday...which is a great thing during withdrawals but i kept saying it was either tuesday or wednesday at work today lol.
 
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