adillonm15
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good advice! ill probably try in the am
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AgonyAndEcstasy781
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Seizures from GABA B agonists aren't as likely as they are for benzo withdrawal, but in terms of the level of panic, tremors, and depression they might even be worse. Add in the psychosis aspect and its not to be fucked with, especially with massive doses like that. The insomnia is powerful, a combination of trazodone, vistaril, and remeron wouldn't even out me to sleep. The only thing that worked was a huge dose of phenobarbital. The good news is the withdrawals don't last near as long as with benzos. The worst is over within 5 days.
It's pretty easy to get a script for gabapentin these days, it's not a controlled medication and I've managed to bring home scripts for 2400 mg/day with a single visit to a new doctor. If I were you I'd taper down to no more than 2 grams a day, slowly, and jump off once you can get some gabapentin or benzos. In an emergency or if you begin getting tremors a shot or two of alcohol will help.
It's pretty easy to get a script for gabapentin these days, it's not a controlled medication and I've managed to bring home scripts for 2400 mg/day with a single visit to a new doctor. If I were you I'd taper down to no more than 2 grams a day, slowly, and jump off once you can get some gabapentin or benzos. In an emergency or if you begin getting tremors a shot or two of alcohol will help.
AgonyAndEcstasy781
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Seizures from GABA B agonists aren't as likely as they are for benzo withdrawal, but in terms of the level of panic, tremors, and depression they might even be worse. Add in the psychosis aspect and its not to be fucked with, especially with massive doses like that. The insomnia is powerful, a combination of trazodone, vistaril, and remeron wouldn't even out me to sleep. The only thing that worked was a huge dose of phenobarbital. The good news is the withdrawals don't last near as long as with benzos. The worst is over within 5 days.
It's pretty easy to get a script for gabapentin these days, it's not a controlled medication and I've managed to bring home scripts for 2400 mg/day with a single visit to a new doctor. If I were you I'd taper down to no more than 2 grams a day, slowly, and jump off once you can get some gabapentin or benzos. In an emergency or if you begin getting tremors a shot or two of alcohol will help.
It's pretty easy to get a script for gabapentin these days, it's not a controlled medication and I've managed to bring home scripts for 2400 mg/day with a single visit to a new doctor. If I were you I'd taper down to no more than 2 grams a day, slowly, and jump off once you can get some gabapentin or benzos. In an emergency or if you begin getting tremors a shot or two of alcohol will help.
I used phenibut about 5 grams per day for a while and it just stopped working for me so I just stopped taking it for a month. I did not get any w/ds from it but I take 1mg of clonazepam per day for RLS. I took 5 grams today and got the magic back but I wont use it every day it seems pointless to me
adillonm15
Bluelighter
About to head to urgent care before work...gonna tell them ive been having panic attacks at work and am going to make an appointment with the psych but need something to help now. I have gotten prescribed xanax here in the past so hopefully itll work again. im at the point now where i still feel shitty after taking large doses of phenibut (worse physically). Havent been getting good sleep either probably making things worse. I'll fall asleep pretty easy but wake up in a panic every hour or two...sometimes continuing conversation from my dreams out loud. About to order some more phen too because i cant risk running out. Have about 100g left which will seriously last ~ 6-7 days right now...hopefully i get benzos and change that.
Question about alcohol...is it a gaba a or gaba b agonist? I had a couple beers after work with some coworkers last week...and after the 2 beers i felt much more drunk than i normally would. All negative effects were diminished...but the next morning they seemed to be much worse?
Question about alcohol...is it a gaba a or gaba b agonist? I had a couple beers after work with some coworkers last week...and after the 2 beers i felt much more drunk than i normally would. All negative effects were diminished...but the next morning they seemed to be much worse?
AgonyAndEcstasy781
Bluelighter
You should really start tapering down your dose xanax won't mask withdrawals from that type of daily dosage. Try taking two 5 gram doses today, then reduce that slowly. If you're hoping that the appointment with the psych doc is going to solve your problems you will be disappointed.
I can only imagine all the side effects you must be dealing with using that much. Even a few grams of phenibut daily irritates the shit out of my digestive system, its a fairly strong acid.
If you don't taper down, you will be in a world of hurt, even with a little xanax.
I can only imagine all the side effects you must be dealing with using that much. Even a few grams of phenibut daily irritates the shit out of my digestive system, its a fairly strong acid.
If you don't taper down, you will be in a world of hurt, even with a little xanax.
liftedgift
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It's possible my friend, start tapering very very slowly. I was never on 12g a day but I was taking 5-7g a day for months. The way I got off was tapering .1-.5 a day seeing how I felt, then say I got down to 4grams, stay there for a few days. Then continue, slowly tapering. USE GABAPENTIN, I hear lyrica works to but I have personally used gabapentin and it was a god send. You can order it online so no worries.I tapered my pheni usage down to a gram or two a day if I remember.Then I used 600mg-1500mg of gabapentin a day for 3-4 days I believe and was pretty much good after that. You might need more depending on how low you can taper before jumping on some gabapentin.
And yeah phenibut acts on gaba-b receptors, same as alcohol I believe. Which is weird since I much prefer pheni over alcohol.
And yeah phenibut acts on gaba-b receptors, same as alcohol I believe. Which is weird since I much prefer pheni over alcohol.
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
GABA-A and yeah, ethanol increases the drunkness a lot when mixed with phenibut but as you found out the hard way, it's not worth it at all as the side effects are greatly enhanched too. I think ethanol is one of the absolute worst things to mix with phenibut, just a few beers and the side effects go crazy.
AgonyAndEcstasy781
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Alcohol is probably the sloppiest drug out there. It affects GABA A more than B but also fucks around with NMDA (reason why you stumble and slur) and has downstream effects on dopamine and endorphin transmission.
Phenibut tamps down the "reward" feeling I get from alcohol and benzos. I have a far easier time controlling my drinking (used to have a real issue with this).
I've heard some armchair pharmacologist theories about how it inhibits dopamine release by other drugs (and the "dopamine rebound" theory). Some think by inhibiting dopamine release it cuts down on the euphoric effect of drugs. I don't know if there's any truth to these ideas, but a french cardiologist wrote a book about how he finally curbed his alcoholism using baclofen, which is a GABA B agonist almost chemically identical to phenibut. It's now used as a treatment for alcoholism. I do also notice a surge in energy and mood the morning after a larger dose, mayne there is some truth to the dopamine rebound stuff, would also make sense considering the psychotic, dreamy nature of withdrawal, since high levels of dopamine are correlated with mental illness.
Phenibut tamps down the "reward" feeling I get from alcohol and benzos. I have a far easier time controlling my drinking (used to have a real issue with this).
I've heard some armchair pharmacologist theories about how it inhibits dopamine release by other drugs (and the "dopamine rebound" theory). Some think by inhibiting dopamine release it cuts down on the euphoric effect of drugs. I don't know if there's any truth to these ideas, but a french cardiologist wrote a book about how he finally curbed his alcoholism using baclofen, which is a GABA B agonist almost chemically identical to phenibut. It's now used as a treatment for alcoholism. I do also notice a surge in energy and mood the morning after a larger dose, mayne there is some truth to the dopamine rebound stuff, would also make sense considering the psychotic, dreamy nature of withdrawal, since high levels of dopamine are correlated with mental illness.
adillonm15
Bluelighter
Took 10g this morning and was feeling shifty all morning. Very anxious.
DOC gave me 20 .25 xanax which sucks..need to find some more.I took .5 mg and 5 minutes after my anxiety went through the roof and I was very scared. Until 30 min later when it took full effect and anxiety is all but gone for the moment. Just feel weak physically. Curious to see how work goes in an hour and a half and how often I should redose xanax.
DOC gave me 20 .25 xanax which sucks..need to find some more.I took .5 mg and 5 minutes after my anxiety went through the roof and I was very scared. Until 30 min later when it took full effect and anxiety is all but gone for the moment. Just feel weak physically. Curious to see how work goes in an hour and a half and how often I should redose xanax.
adillonm15
Bluelighter
made it through my shift pretty easily on a total of just 1 mg of xanax surprisingly. i kept .5 mg in my pocket at all times in case i needed to run back and take one. even went to grab some food with coworkers and felt great. which is weird cuz last time i did this i was taking 3mg at a time.
but affter 1 day ive used 7 of my 20 xanax. that leaves a a hopeful 2 more sane days of work unless i find more. i got this guy that keeps promising me he can get me bars easily but that has been going on a week.
so im trying to get phen down while i have the help.
i took 12g of phen at 6 am yesterday. at 9am i felt like abosulte crap, anxiety and all. I felt much better when i took .5 mg of xanax at 11 am (which i regret because i could have saved it for work...but i had to test it first). And i DID redose phen when i got to work at 2 pm but only about 1g.
Whats interesting is I didnt REALLY feel good (like myself) until about 7pm, which is when i would expect the effects of the first phen dose to wear off. this leads me to believe that the amount of phen im stuck taking is having nothing but a negative effect on me at this point.
i fell asleep pretty easily last night. but had a dream (at least i hope it was) that i couldnt breathe...could feel the pressure and everything...until i finally i woke up around 4am gasping for air. feel really weird this morning again with a bit of a sore tongue..
So this morning i dosed 3g of phen at 830 am and planning on dosing another 3g in about 7 houyrs. (having an addition 3g on had in absolute emergency)hopefully this works, and hopefully this guy comes through on the bars.
I, for the first time, saw a glimmer of hope getting through this while I was on xanax. it would suck to be a square one again in 2 days. Im also putting off ordering new phen right now cuz im saving that money for the hopeful xanax. hope thats not a mistake.
starting to feel a little better this morning, but still anxious over my "dream" of not breathing last night.
but affter 1 day ive used 7 of my 20 xanax. that leaves a a hopeful 2 more sane days of work unless i find more. i got this guy that keeps promising me he can get me bars easily but that has been going on a week.
so im trying to get phen down while i have the help.
i took 12g of phen at 6 am yesterday. at 9am i felt like abosulte crap, anxiety and all. I felt much better when i took .5 mg of xanax at 11 am (which i regret because i could have saved it for work...but i had to test it first). And i DID redose phen when i got to work at 2 pm but only about 1g.
Whats interesting is I didnt REALLY feel good (like myself) until about 7pm, which is when i would expect the effects of the first phen dose to wear off. this leads me to believe that the amount of phen im stuck taking is having nothing but a negative effect on me at this point.
i fell asleep pretty easily last night. but had a dream (at least i hope it was) that i couldnt breathe...could feel the pressure and everything...until i finally i woke up around 4am gasping for air. feel really weird this morning again with a bit of a sore tongue..
So this morning i dosed 3g of phen at 830 am and planning on dosing another 3g in about 7 houyrs. (having an addition 3g on had in absolute emergency)hopefully this works, and hopefully this guy comes through on the bars.
I, for the first time, saw a glimmer of hope getting through this while I was on xanax. it would suck to be a square one again in 2 days. Im also putting off ordering new phen right now cuz im saving that money for the hopeful xanax. hope thats not a mistake.
starting to feel a little better this morning, but still anxious over my "dream" of not breathing last night.
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AgonyAndEcstasy781
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Glad you're feeling better man. Great plan taking smaller doses and spreading them out, that's how i take phenibut and it lessens the cycle of feeling great/feeling like shit.
Keep tapering down your daily dose of phenibut, you'll feel better at a lower dose because you won't be experiencing the side effects. It has some really trippy side effects like vivid dreams, horrific nightmares, etc. I can't imagine your gut enjoys absorbing 12 grams of acid on a regular basis (tums anyone?).
I would seriously, seriously consider trying to get a script for gabapentin. You could come in with a story about nerve pain, and that the pain is causing you to lose sleep. I came in to a new doctor complaining of intense anxiety and insomnia (in benzo wd) in an attempt to get benzos. When she told me flat out i wasnt getting benzos, i said I used to be RXed gabapentin and that it helped me sleep.i walked out with a script for 2400 mg per day (also wellbutrin and doxepin, uggh).
Especially if you come in there in phenibut withdrawal, with high BP/pulse
Etc. If you haven't taken gabapentin before i guarantee it will help immensely, maybe more than the xanax.
Keep tapering down your daily dose of phenibut, you'll feel better at a lower dose because you won't be experiencing the side effects. It has some really trippy side effects like vivid dreams, horrific nightmares, etc. I can't imagine your gut enjoys absorbing 12 grams of acid on a regular basis (tums anyone?).
I would seriously, seriously consider trying to get a script for gabapentin. You could come in with a story about nerve pain, and that the pain is causing you to lose sleep. I came in to a new doctor complaining of intense anxiety and insomnia (in benzo wd) in an attempt to get benzos. When she told me flat out i wasnt getting benzos, i said I used to be RXed gabapentin and that it helped me sleep.i walked out with a script for 2400 mg per day (also wellbutrin and doxepin, uggh).
Especially if you come in there in phenibut withdrawal, with high BP/pulse
Etc. If you haven't taken gabapentin before i guarantee it will help immensely, maybe more than the xanax.
OcCo
Bluelighter
Ask your dr for Lyrica (pregabalin) I was using 10g a day suffering from horrid side effects lower back pain, dry eyes, extreme anxiety in the morning.
When I'd go cold turkey the withdrawals were horrendous I'd feel total apathy, depression no sleep and unable to eat, at the time i was living in a small city with a shitty drug service i recieved no help with the phenibut because they said there businesss insurance wouldnt cover it prescribing pregablin.
I'd tryed benzo's to get of it none worked i tryed everyone under the sun in the end I moved back home which is a big city with a lot of addicts so when i explained to the dr there about it and told her lyrica is the only thing I havent tried but ive heard works she e-mailed my normal GP telling him to prescribe 150mgx2 a day.
See your dr and explain you dont want benzo's Im unsure if lyrica can be prescribed for anxiety in the US but its the only thing I found that works I'd double up so for 15 days I'd take 300mg when i wake then another 300mg about 6 and from taking 10g a day to just the lyrica I have felt no withdrawals. Benzo's may take the edge off a bit but i find they do nothing for the depression, apathy and lack of appetite I was using 10g for 2 n a half years now just use it when i go out to socialize around once every 2 weeks. Find a good dr dont go down the benzo route you will just swap one for another ask your dr to prescribe for Generalized anxiety disorder explain your symptoms and why you felt the nseed to take it everyday they wont prescribe for withdrawals.
When I'd go cold turkey the withdrawals were horrendous I'd feel total apathy, depression no sleep and unable to eat, at the time i was living in a small city with a shitty drug service i recieved no help with the phenibut because they said there businesss insurance wouldnt cover it prescribing pregablin.
I'd tryed benzo's to get of it none worked i tryed everyone under the sun in the end I moved back home which is a big city with a lot of addicts so when i explained to the dr there about it and told her lyrica is the only thing I havent tried but ive heard works she e-mailed my normal GP telling him to prescribe 150mgx2 a day.
See your dr and explain you dont want benzo's Im unsure if lyrica can be prescribed for anxiety in the US but its the only thing I found that works I'd double up so for 15 days I'd take 300mg when i wake then another 300mg about 6 and from taking 10g a day to just the lyrica I have felt no withdrawals. Benzo's may take the edge off a bit but i find they do nothing for the depression, apathy and lack of appetite I was using 10g for 2 n a half years now just use it when i go out to socialize around once every 2 weeks. Find a good dr dont go down the benzo route you will just swap one for another ask your dr to prescribe for Generalized anxiety disorder explain your symptoms and why you felt the nseed to take it everyday they wont prescribe for withdrawals.
On this topic, Phenibut and alcohol works great for me.
It puts a damper on the dopey drunk feeling from alcohol, allows me to drink less.
For me the alcohol in the right dose aids to the phenibut, not the phenibut adding to the alcohol, obviously they both work together.
I just seem to get less of the traditional alcohol buzz.
It puts a damper on the dopey drunk feeling from alcohol, allows me to drink less.
For me the alcohol in the right dose aids to the phenibut, not the phenibut adding to the alcohol, obviously they both work together.
I just seem to get less of the traditional alcohol buzz.
adillonm15
Bluelighter
was able to taper down a lot with xanax yesterday. ended up taking about 6g of phenibut, and made it through my shift at somewhat easily (panic and depressed at times and euphoric other times...but the panic was managable..esp with xanax in my pocket.) I ended up having to use 7 more .25mgs to get through the shift leaving me with 6 left today, then im out. im hoping that can get me through today.
i also had a strange nightmare last night..will actually eases my mind because in this one i dreamt that my friends brother stuck his finger up my butt while i screamed in pain. I could FEEL it again in my dream. Incredibly strange, but in the morning it felt fine and none of my fingers smelt like poo...so its kind of a good indicator that all the other dreams (earthquake seizure, not breathing paralysis...)were in my head as well.
Had a guy tell me he could get me bars no problem yesterday but then he "didnt have a ride so couldnt pick them up". And ive found another guy that said yesterday hed be able to get them in a few days. But i need more for tomorrow by tonight!
I;m scared that light at the end of the tunnel is about to go pitch black again.
I dosed just 2g of phenibut..another 2g will come later and maybe 1 after that. Will aid with xanax today, but only on my shift when its desperately needed.
Im scared if im not going to be able to get xanax by tonight--will i have to up my dose of phenibut by alot tomorrow morning?!
I also have 2 350mg somas on hand. Anyway ill be able to utilize those?
i also had a strange nightmare last night..will actually eases my mind because in this one i dreamt that my friends brother stuck his finger up my butt while i screamed in pain. I could FEEL it again in my dream. Incredibly strange, but in the morning it felt fine and none of my fingers smelt like poo...so its kind of a good indicator that all the other dreams (earthquake seizure, not breathing paralysis...)were in my head as well.
Had a guy tell me he could get me bars no problem yesterday but then he "didnt have a ride so couldnt pick them up". And ive found another guy that said yesterday hed be able to get them in a few days. But i need more for tomorrow by tonight!
I;m scared that light at the end of the tunnel is about to go pitch black again.
I dosed just 2g of phenibut..another 2g will come later and maybe 1 after that. Will aid with xanax today, but only on my shift when its desperately needed.
Im scared if im not going to be able to get xanax by tonight--will i have to up my dose of phenibut by alot tomorrow morning?!
I also have 2 350mg somas on hand. Anyway ill be able to utilize those?
AgonyAndEcstasy781
Bluelighter
Youre making a lot of progress by tapering down
Good job. If you aren't able to get more xanax, you may have to take more phenibut, just make sure you take less than you did before
And slowly keep tapering down. You won't feel great, but far better than going cold turkey. If you haven't ordered more phenibut I'd do it because if you get stuck without and without xanax you'll really be up shit creek without a paddle.
And if you do get more xanax, watch out not to cop a habit with those, its just as brutal as phenibut in terms of addictiveness and withdrawal.
Good job. If you aren't able to get more xanax, you may have to take more phenibut, just make sure you take less than you did before
And slowly keep tapering down. You won't feel great, but far better than going cold turkey. If you haven't ordered more phenibut I'd do it because if you get stuck without and without xanax you'll really be up shit creek without a paddle.
And if you do get more xanax, watch out not to cop a habit with those, its just as brutal as phenibut in terms of addictiveness and withdrawal.
adillonm15
Bluelighter
thanks man i appreciate it. i actually feel pretty decent right now. slight anixety but thats it and im on no xanax and just 2g of phenibut dosed a little over an hour ago. If i could just stay locked in my room for a week this would be much easier. unfortunately i have work continuously until thursday.
I havent ordered more phen yet. i have about half of a 200g tub..maybe more maybe less. the reason im putting it off is that rent is due on the 8th for me and i dont know ill be able to make it with phen AND xanax. really banking on being able to get some xanax...being able to taper down so much with it has been amazing. Do have an overwhelming fear of being stuck up shit creek without a paddle as you say though.
I havent ordered more phen yet. i have about half of a 200g tub..maybe more maybe less. the reason im putting it off is that rent is due on the 8th for me and i dont know ill be able to make it with phen AND xanax. really banking on being able to get some xanax...being able to taper down so much with it has been amazing. Do have an overwhelming fear of being stuck up shit creek without a paddle as you say though.
I look at it like this, 2 days of phenibut use is enough for me. Usually each doses run into the next day for me personally, but realistically, a lot of people live for the weekend. So 5 days of shit is fine with me as long as I have that at the end, I can live somewhat happy.
AgonyAndEcstasy781
Bluelighter
I think people go about phenibut the wrong way.
If you want to use high doses for euphoria or for social occasions, I'd take it once, wait at least 3 days before using it again, preferably a week. Taking high doses every day guarantees side effects, withdrawal symptoms, and severe rebound anxiety. Using high doses on consecutive days, then stopping, then starting you're still gonna be dealing with rebound effects with a cycle like that.
I think phenibut is far more beneficial taken in regular, small doses. In Russia, where it's been a pharmaceutical drug for 50 years, doctors prescribe it to be taken 3 times a day, in dosages ranging from 250 to 500 mg. So 500 mg in the morning, 500 mg in the afternoon, 500 at night. In this dosage range you won't get euphoria but it acts as a mild tranquilizer, mood tonic, and nootropic. You'll notice you have an.increase in confidence, mood, and motivation, without sedation or euphoria. Its very functional taken like this, and since you have a steady level in your bloodstream you aren't dealing with constant cycling between feeling great and feeling like shit. You'll find you are more confident, optimistic, and socially adept and many people notice improvements in all areas of their life.
People always assume you'll have got keep taking more and more, but they simply not the case if you aren't chasing a buzz. There's no point getting anywhere above 2 or 3 grams a day, the side effects negate the benefits. For me it's better tham benzos, it doesnt dull your personality or fuck up your cognition, its effects feel completely natural.
That being said, you still have to slowly taper off as any regular use of phenibut will create some degree of dependency. I just cant see how peoppe get up to like 20 grams a day, I'd be s total nutcase at that dose. I guess some people just chase the euphoria they got from the initial dose, but you won't ever get there again with regular dosing, it's a futile pursuit.
If you want to use high doses for euphoria or for social occasions, I'd take it once, wait at least 3 days before using it again, preferably a week. Taking high doses every day guarantees side effects, withdrawal symptoms, and severe rebound anxiety. Using high doses on consecutive days, then stopping, then starting you're still gonna be dealing with rebound effects with a cycle like that.
I think phenibut is far more beneficial taken in regular, small doses. In Russia, where it's been a pharmaceutical drug for 50 years, doctors prescribe it to be taken 3 times a day, in dosages ranging from 250 to 500 mg. So 500 mg in the morning, 500 mg in the afternoon, 500 at night. In this dosage range you won't get euphoria but it acts as a mild tranquilizer, mood tonic, and nootropic. You'll notice you have an.increase in confidence, mood, and motivation, without sedation or euphoria. Its very functional taken like this, and since you have a steady level in your bloodstream you aren't dealing with constant cycling between feeling great and feeling like shit. You'll find you are more confident, optimistic, and socially adept and many people notice improvements in all areas of their life.
People always assume you'll have got keep taking more and more, but they simply not the case if you aren't chasing a buzz. There's no point getting anywhere above 2 or 3 grams a day, the side effects negate the benefits. For me it's better tham benzos, it doesnt dull your personality or fuck up your cognition, its effects feel completely natural.
That being said, you still have to slowly taper off as any regular use of phenibut will create some degree of dependency. I just cant see how peoppe get up to like 20 grams a day, I'd be s total nutcase at that dose. I guess some people just chase the euphoria they got from the initial dose, but you won't ever get there again with regular dosing, it's a futile pursuit.