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2-benzylpiperidine just turned up at a notorious vendor. Actually he states the content is "N-2-benzylpiperidine" which doesn't really make sense, so I assume it is 2-benzylpiperidine.

Anybody tried it? It looks promising, and should last a while longer than methylphenidate. What about comparing it to amphetamine, what differences in activity will the alifatic parts of the piperidine-ring have?

Also, what effect does the COOMe-group in methylphenidate have in terms of activity/affinity? Does it add DARI-activity or does it just make methylphenidate less toxic/easier to eliminate/metabolize?
 
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Also, what effect does the COOMe-group in methylphenidate have in terms of activity/affinity? Does it add DARI-activity or does it just make methylphenidate less toxic/easier to eliminate/metabolize?

Gives the body a big polar group to facilitate excretion. Not sure if that was the intention, but as benzypiperidine had chance to last for a long time compared with methylphenidate, that's why it'll be the preferred compound (or else why don't they use something like pipradrol for treating ADHD?)
 
Refluxer said:
2-benzylpiperidine just turned up at a notorious vendor. Actually he states the content is "N-2-benzylpiperidine" which doesn't really make sense, so I assume it is 2-benzylpiperidine.

Anybody tried it? It looks promising, and should last a while longer than methylphenidate. What about comparing it to amphetamine, what differences in activity will the alifatic parts of the piperidine-ring have?

Also, what effect does the COOMe-group in methylphenidate have in terms of activity/affinity? Does it add DARI-activity or does it just make methylphenidate less toxic/easier to eliminate/metabolize?

it states "N-2-benzylpiperidine dihydrochloride" 2-benzyl piperidine with one nitrogen atom cannot form a dihydrochloride whereas benzylpiperazine BZP with two can. so who knows what this is?
 
^^ Yup. The fins are saying it's tasty and long lasting (8-16 hours) with a good dose being between 50-150mg.
 
I know of a way to make 4-phenyl-piperidines that uses a route where there is essentially no risk of forming tetrahydropyridine style intermediate by-products.
 
BTCP, the PCP analog (or better still it's pyrollidine analog) are supposed to substitute for cocaine in rats and lasts 6 hours. The antidepressant Aminepitine is supposed to give a good high when you begin treatment and is associated with addiction. I wonder a lot about aminepitine, I keep thinking that amongst the research papers will be some more euphoriant analogs. Easy to make and legal.
Oh and CFT can, apparently be made stronger and longer lasting by replacing the methyl ester with an isopropyl ester. I'm looking for the link but it was somewhere reputable.
 
3-MeO-methamphetamine HCl.

^^haha, see my latest journal entry (12/06/2006), suckas!
 
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the drugs of the future are the one's not used today ! .. lol
ok, i', dreaming here, but the ultimate drug(s) would be ones capable of something like an on-off switch .. i.e. you could "stop" your roll with a temporay blocker and then you'd be back where you left off ..
 
haribo1 said:
BTCP, the PCP analog (or better still it's pyrollidine analog) are supposed to substitute for cocaine in rats and lasts 6 hours. The antidepressant Aminepitine is supposed to give a good high when you begin treatment and is associated with addiction. I wonder a lot about aminepitine, I keep thinking that amongst the research papers will be some more euphoriant analogs. Easy to make and legal.
Oh and CFT can, apparently be made stronger and longer lasting by replacing the methyl ester with an isopropyl ester. I'm looking for the link but it was somewhere reputable.

In one of the animal studies of BTCP, there was excess mortality in the BTCP treated rats over the cocaine or saline treated rats. On examination there was evidence of damage to the GI system and the liver.
(psychpharmacology 1999 145 p 370-377)
There is also evidence that unlike cocaine BTCP is not a substrate type dopamine and NE releaser. Anecdotal reports suggest that BTCP is almost without effect in humans.

CFT is just one of a huge family of phenyl tropanes, stronger is a difficult thing to quantify, it is not potency, DOB for example is 20 times more potent than 2-cb it is not 20 times stronger, it just requires 20 times less to give the same effect. If potency is the measure then replacing the methyl with ethyl or isopropoxy increases the potency, replacing the entire ester moiety with a short alkene or aryl alkene also increases potency and duration of action. replacing the ester moiety with a cyclic bioisostere such as the oxazoline group increases duration without effecting potency.
the para substituent on the phenyl can also be replaced with iodine or methyl or pretty much anything. CFT has a lot of papers on it because of the fluorine can be replaced with radiofluorine and then used as a marker in PET scanning, supposedly CFT scanning to reveal the DAT density can reveal parkinsons disease earlier.
from memory I think the parachloro and its metabolically soft isostere paramethyl are more potent than CFT.
It is often the case that the most potent analogue is not the most interesting but it is in the world of research ligands, SAR and receptor mapping, because the theory is that the most potent ligand is closest in shape to the binding site and therefore finding more and more potent ligands can allow the binding site to be mapped. Whether the most potent ligand is ligands the most valuable pharmaceutical is another matter entirely, DOI versus DOC for example.
 
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sorry to be a pain guys but as all the brain power resides in this forum i wonder if anyone can help please?
i got some carphedon (4-phenylpiracetam or phenotropil) made and was all excited when it turned up. as the dose on the net etc at 100-150mg i thought my supercautious 5-10mg "tester" was, apart from uncharacteristic, pretty safe.
i got ringing in my ears, bad taste in my mouth, assorted muscle pains and muddled head within 10 minutes and it lasted for hours.
i had been taking stims for 8 out of the last 10 days so my dilema is i can't be sure if it's the chem or me?
i queried it with the supplier (he has made stuff for me before and no probs) and he was adamant it was all ok.
he has sent me an analysis/report but neither i nor anyone else i have shown it to seems to be able to make sense of it, can anyone help out please?
i can't put an image up here unless it's on a site (same as the link button really?) does anyone know a way of posting it or sending it?
 
Amfonelic acid is this, right?

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That doesn't look fun to make. Its SAR is very interesting. You can buy 100mg for $126, has anyone tried it yet?
 
Helios. said:
2-benzyl-pyridine.
2-piperonyl-pyridine.

Where's the carboxylic acid in that name? I got the image from a site selling the stuff so either they got it wrong or you did?
 
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