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Stimulants of the Future II

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(Not sure if Swimming is needed, so for now I'll just presume it is)

Zylofuramine sounds like it might be worth looking into, does anyone have any ideas what the doseage would be?

SWIM's got a bit of spare cash lying around, if people think it's worth it he might get some synthed :)
 
3.5.1. 4-Chlorophenylisopropylamine

The simplest of the halogenated phenylisopropylamines is 4-chlorophenylisopropylamine (79, para-chloroamphetamine, 4-CA). It and the N-methyl homolog (80) are highly active compounds in experimental animals, producing a remarkably long-lasting depletion of brain serotonin levels (Pletscher et al., 1963) and a decrease in tryptophane hydroxylase activity (Sanders-Bush et al., 1972).

Considerable clinical application of 4-CA has been made, and it has been found effective as an antidepressant when used chronically at levels of 75 mg/day (van Praag et al., 1971; van Praag and Korf, 1976). There are very few side effects noted and the drug is tolerated very well. However, indications of raphe-nucleus degeneration (Yunger et al., 1974) and related neurotoxicity (Harvey and McMaster, 1976) in experimental animals have discouraged further clinical study.

An unusual aspect of 4-CA metabolism is the reported conversion of the drug to oxygen-containing products. A phenolic product was identified by Parli and Schmidt (1975) as being 3-chloro-4-hydroxyphenylisopropylamine. This would seem to invoke the NIH shift as an explanation for the migration of the chloro atom. Even more remarkable is the report (Sherman and Gal, 1976) of the isolation of 3,4-dimethoxyphenylisopropylamine following the intraventricular injection of 4-CA. This represents the formation in vivo of a weak but accepted pressor and psychotomimetic. When the mechanism of its formation is understood, a chemical link may be at hand tying the simpler phenylisopropylamine stimulants to the methoxylated psychotomimetics. There were no reports from the clinical studies of 4-CA that suggested any psychotomimetic action.

3.5.2. 4-Chloro-N-methylphenylisopropylamine

The N-methyl homolog of 4-chlorophenylisopropylamine (80, para-chloromethamphetamine p-CMA, Ro 4-6861, S-33) was also found to be a potent and long-lasting depleter of brain serotonin (Fuller et al., 1965). It has been compared with methamphetamine in normal subjects (Verster and van Praag, 1970) and has been evaluated clinically in comparison with 4-CA (79) as an antidepressant (Deniker et al., 1971; van Praag et al., 1971; van Praag and Korf, 1976). Typical dosages were between 60 and 90 mg/day, administered chronically for several weeks. There appeared to be no physical or psychic dependence developed, no cardiovascular complications, and no sleep or appetite problems. There was no mention made of mental disturbances that might be considered psychotomimetic.

The alpha,alpha-dimethylphenylethylamine homologs of p-CMA have been explored clinicaly as anorexics. 4-Chloro-alpha-alpha-dimethylphenethylamine is used therapeutically under the name of Chlorphentermine; the ortho-isomer is known as Clortermine.

3.5.3. 4-Bromo-N-methylphenylisopropylamine

The bromo-counterparts of the chlorophenylisopropylamine have been studied, but have not found extensive clinical evaluation. The primary amine 4-bromophenylisopropylamine (4-bromoamphetamine) is, like the 4-chloro-analog 4-CA (79), a long-term depleter of serotonin in the brain (Fuller et al. (1975). The 4-fluoro analog, while still effective biochemically, is not of as long a duration of action. The N-methyl homolog of 4-bromo-phenylisopropylamine has demanded interest from a separate point of view, however. This compound, 4-bromo-N-methylphenylisopropylamine (81, V-111, p-bromomethamphetamine), has been found to give pharmacological profiles in a large number of animal species, which are indistinguishable from those shown by LSD and other psychotomimetics (Knoll et al., 1970). Although much of the literature appearing over the period from 1965 to 1975 refers to (81) as a psychotomimetic, it had apparently never been clinically assayed in man. It is now known that the compound "has no psychotomimetic effect whatsoever in humans" (Knoll, 1974, personal communication). The high pharmacological potency of (V-111) in the biochemistry of serotonin and its apparent enhancement of learning and memory in experimental animals have maintained an active interest in it in the research area.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/shulgin.pea.sar.hop.html#35

The parts you should really pay attention to are outlined in blue. There's no point in taking drugs that may cause permanent personality or cognitive changes for the worse. People who've tried 4-Methylamphetamine and 4-Bromoamphetamine have said they've never felt the same afterwards.
 
The parts in blue are the typical dogma. Everybody already knows that p-CA is a potent 5-HT neurotoxin.

The literature that p-CA has been tried on humans is less often stated.

It probably takes chronic dosing of the stuff everyday to really fuck someones brains up pseudoirreversibly.
 
okay...so para-[halogen or methyl, excepting fluorine] is too dicey to play with.
Do we have data on the dangers of p-methyl-amphetamine, other than anecdotes from Russian users?

ebola
 
okay...so para-[halogen or methyl, excepting fluorine] is too dicey to play with.
Do we have data on the dangers of p-methyl-amphetamine, other than anecdotes from Russian users?

ebola

4-methylamphetamine and 4-methylmethamphetamine are mentioned in DEA publications from the 1980s but all they say is that they have been found as "designer drugs", little other info is given.

Aside from this all I have seen is ancient SAR studies of various ring substituted amphetamines which confirm only that 4-methylamphetamine is an appetite suppressant in dogs.

Have found nothing more recent about mechanism of action or toxicity, although it seems likely that 4-MA will be closely related to the analogous 4-halogen compounds, with methyl being in between fluoro and chloro in terms of both activity and toxicity.
 
this seems like a very interesting stimulant to me: o-2172
1/3 potency of methylphenidate, but the interesting thing: NO NITROGEN!

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Is it safe to presume that all activity producing amphetamines are "neurotoxic"?
 
That is certainly atypical.

P Meltzer has been replacing the nitrogen in quite a few alkaloids with either a carbon, oxgen or a sulfur.

Se for example: tropoxane.
 
Really Smyth? Do you have any examples? I've never seen any other stimulants without a nitrogen... It would be cool to se some.

edit: oh right Tropoxane, kind of like a cocaine with an oxygen instead of the nitrogen... Also leads me to think that the methyl acetate in methylphenidate and in cocaine and in o-2172 and in tropoxane plays a large part in the DAT inhibition. Interesting.
 
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All it takes is a change of preference. If the next generation of tweakers decides that meth is too dangerous (perception is huge) they could easily switch to some RC.

The problem is that meth is cheap as hell, and so are the precursors.

As far as I can tell, besides cocaine, none of these things are really coming from plants. Meth and amphetamine are entirely synthetic.

And it doesn't have to be a new MDMA, it just has to be something preferred to meth. Given the change in perceptions regarding meth, that doesn't seem far fetched at all.

If someone came up with a synthesis for fencamfamine that was as cheap as meth synthesis, I wouldn't be surprised if that became the big thing. Still, it's unlikely the needed precursors would be available, so there wouldn't be much of a homegrown market. It'd have to come from superlabs in developing nations. Africa could well supplant SE Asia as the big producing nation. With the movement of trafficking routes through africa today, that doesn't seem unlikely.



entirely? I thought ephedrine came from mua huang plant. the main precursor to speed.


In my opinion methamphetamine will be king for a LONG time. Unless they make it more able to cross the BBB faster(maybe adding another methyl type group to make it even more lipid soluable?) methyl-methamphetamine?
 
leads me to think that the methyl acetate in methylphenidate and in cocaine and in o-2172 and in tropoxane plays a large part in the DAT inhibition. Interesting.

That's a different set of SAR's. For the most part, replacing the ester with something more lipophilic such as a styrene group increases the potency. In addition the delocalized electrons in the pi bond appear to increase potency vs. the saturated hydrocarbon, but they are not essential for high binding affinity to be observed.
 
If some-one came up with a cheap synthises for lefetamine, I could see that becoming widespread also. There are some ways (benzaldehyde and benzyl chloride followed by dimethylamine), fencamfamine would definitely be more difficult because of that "norbornane" ring.

I don't think that methyl-methamphetamine is stronger but I don't know where are you proposing to put the other methyl? n-methyl methamphetamine is weaker than even amphetamine. N-methyl phentermine (mephentermine)? Or b-methyl methamphetamine? There's definitely lots of possibilities but I think meth is just about the strongest.
 
What was the reason dopamine and ephedrine can't cross the BBB? I say pour some acetic anhydride on them to give reverse acetate esters. Like the reverse estered methylphenidate phacetoperane. On ephedrine this would give methyl-amphenidate (somebody invented it in one of the earlier posts). Good chance I'm completely wrong though, I'm not a chemist.
 
I thought that ephedrine DID cross the BBB in behaviorally relevant amounts, just not quite as readily as its 'cousins'.

ebola
 
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