Stimulants Stimulants & how to avoid fiending/disappointment & edginess?

[sadmachine]

I'll try keep this as short as I can. I recently started using dexamphetamine 5mg recreationally & as a tool when I need to be sharp for work. With 0 tolerance, I notice 25mg+ gives me some nice mild euphoria, energy and the ability to focus calmly on anything. After 2-3 hours I have two main problems.

1. Disappointment. This happens really really bad to me with meth and mdma, I will be having the time of my life then after a few hours all of a sudden the floor falls out and I don't want to talk to anyone or do anything other than clench my jaw and fidget. I instantly fiend for more, although from my meth experience 15 years ago I know that more = more side effects not = more euphoria & focus. I suspect the secret here is 1. lower, carefully planned dosages and redosing and 2. really teaching myself that its ok that the fun is over and that there will be other fun times (delayed gratification) and that trying to binge to chase that feeling won't give me what I want and will in fact make me feel worse.

2. Edginess. I always usually take a small (0.25-0.5mg) kpin long before I take any dex just to deter the edginess. When I feel the edginess coming on if I sit still it almost feels like a tingly body high, and I'm wondering if maybe I can train myself to use mindfulness to enjoy this body high/redirect my high rather than spiralling into that manic/geeking/jittery state of being.

Overall they give me intense focus and even help my confidence & anxiety for a few hours, but after that I just being a fidgety mess, even on a low dose benzo. From here i'm going to experiment with much lower doses and instead of going down the rabbit hole of jitteriness i'm going to try to apply mindfulness rather than just giving in to the monster that wants more and more even if it's going to ruin my high. I'm also considering Vyvanse XR as I hear it's less up and down more just that consistent feeling, but i need to do more research.

 

[Them Witches]

2-3 shots of whiskey brings it down.

Clonidine works well. So do benzos.

The Z-drugs like Ambien, Sonata, and Lunesta also help. After removing the outer coating, All of those can be snorted for a quick come down ( I do not like giving information like this).

I like stimulants for about 1 hour and I am ready for it to stop or reduce by 75%.

 

[pnillyg]

2-3 shots of whiskey brings it down.

Clonidine works well. So do benzos.

The Z-drugs like Ambien, Sonata, and Lunesta also help. After removing the outer coating, All of those can be snorted for a quick come down ( I do not like giving information like this).

I like stimulants for about 1 hour and I am ready for it to stop or reduce by 75%.

clonidine is safe to mix or at least use for the comedown?

ive found a bit of ketamine with some weed and obviusly a benzo helps but trying to maximize benifits of the stimulants without having to then treat the side effects with more or other addictive meds

this is becoming 5-7 days a week so it needs to be a sustainable meathod ideally.

ive also heard kava could help?

 

[chippermonk]

I think that, to varying degrees, that is the price you pay when you use stims. What goes up must always come down. The closest to solving that comedown problem that I've ever found is to just do very small doses and try to be content with a milder high. For sure benzos or alcohol at the end does sort of help some, but that's a whole new thing to fuck up your equilibrium.
You say you did meth years ago? How did that end for you? Sounds like you learned that lesson back then. I can relate, I did, too, and it's tough not to want to take another crack at solving the problem.

 

[Them Witches]

clonidine is safe to mix or at least use for the comedown?

yes. The starting daily dosage is 0.1mg x 2. If you take more than that you may get lightheaded standing up. You may be able to take more. Just DO NOT exceed 0.4mg daily. I have been on Clonidine for 25 years and I am giving you official advice. My Rx daily dosage is between 0.9mg-1.2mg daily and new doctors freak out. Other people cannot believe I take this much out-patient. It is strong stuff and Clonidine naive people taking too much can cause bradycardia, numbness in limbs, fating, pass out sedation, and even overdose. The half-life can be from 12-16hrs and Clonidine naive people that shoot opioids are playing with fire even up to 18hrs after the last dose of Clonidne.

Kava... dope nothing. Try Benadryl 200mg and Unisom 125mg, that will do something.

I do not know about Kitty but it seems it would be a good choice.

60% of Ambien abusers say snorting Ambien or the other Z-Drugs is closest compared to Quaalude (Methaqualone). For Ambien naive snorters, this maybe true. Snort Ambien 20mg and you will be riding down the street on a bike with flat tires happy as clam in a shell.

 

[luckycherry]

Usually I get this way when I’ve been using stimulants too much for too long and I find myself having to take significant tolerance breaks.

 

[sadmachine]

clonidine is safe to mix or at least use for the comedown?

ive found a bit of ketamine with some weed and obviusly a benzo helps but trying to maximize benifits of the stimulants without having to then treat the side effects with more or other addictive meds

this is becoming 5-7 days a week so it needs to be a sustainable meathod ideally.

ive also heard kava could help?

weed+ket+dex sent me over the edge

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Vyvanse is a good idea if you have ADHD.
Any recreational stimulant use comes with it's own "terms and conditions", which are broken by 100% of those I know who have tried to control it, me included.

I have ADHD and Vyvanse is perfect.

Best to seek professional advice IMO

 

[Cheradenine]

Two things are worth keeping in mind:
1) The experience of amphetamines may differ quite a bit for different people.
2) Tolerance will always occur with frequent use.

Some experience terrible comedowns on amphetamines. For others the comedown is not an issue at all. Some get focus to do work on amphetamines. Others may get horny or dive into wild fantasy worlds. Some enjoy the 10 hours high. Others would prefer it to end after an hour or two. If you want to enjoy amphetamines recreationally, you should enjoy the actual effects that you get from the drug. The edginess is part of the deal, and if you don't like it, then maybe this is not for you. Attempting to like a drug that you don't really like is a pattern very similar to addiction, because, when tolerance kicks in, you may be left with mainly the negative effects, which you then still try to appreciate, because they remind you of how good it was.

This being said, vyvanse may be a better option. It is very smooth. I wouldnt mind if it gave a bit more edginess, but it gives me all the effects of amphetamines that I really care about. I do occasionally experience some disappointment on it, but since it lasts and lasts, such episodes are always replaced by a new high, until the high gradually tapers off. I always wait a minimum of a couple of days between two vyvanse highs, preferably several weeks. Personally, I find it disturbing that this is being prescribed for daily use.