steroids:- did they 'sort you out'

so am i right in doing 12 weeks on steroids, then 12 weeks off steroids.
Then repeat etc
 
bighooter said:
so am i right in doing 12 weeks on steroids, then 12 weeks off steroids.
Then repeat etc
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I think you are going to undergo a most unpleasant experience when you come off. The problem with steroids is that their effects don't stop when you come off, since they interact with every aspect of your biology. I believe you will be lucky to feel sort of back to normal after 12 weeks off that cycle unless you do as I instruct, and even then:

ADD TESTOSTERONE NOW. Come off Deca at least 3-4 weeks before stopping the testosterone and then doing your post-cycle therapy. Do you know what post-cycle therapy is? Research it. Use hCG during your cycle or you will regret it.
 
notibable side effects don't usually occur w/out prolonged or way over dosin yourself over a prolonged shorter period of time.. eg.. 1 year and so on... u should always cycle off at least every 6 weeks to let your body rebuild and reverse your normal testosterone levels.. on 6 weeks off 4 weeks... doctor checkup after any 2 to 3 period 6 week cycles..
 
^with long esters 6 week cycles are fucking useless.

I would definetly recomended adding the testosterone now.

12 week cycle+ 2 week ester clearing+ 4 week PCT=18 weeks off after PCT is completed
 
thanks for the advise bud

so you reckon to stay on 2 weeks on the test after i have finished the deca, then go on to my pct?
 
I would say come off the deca 1 week before the test then after that take 2 weeks off everything THEN start PCT.
 
Horrux said:
Certainly deca is not a steroid that would be expected to have you raging. OTOH, it is fully expected to give you "deca dick" which means a weenie that does not get hard at all. Deca is also known for providing extremely difficult experiences upon exiting the cycle. It is not a good choice for a first...

Stay well.
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I can just say it uses your testosterone to boost your body up the same way during your early and pre-adolescent years it give the kick so you become harrier, taller, deeper voiced, stronger, pimples, and whatever else. Part of it includes the emotional levels. Which is why teens like myself can feel such strong sexual, anger, or depressing feelings. Sometimes, euphoria. Idk much about the different typed of steroids, but from what I DO know, it abuses that cycle. Pumps the body with too strong a signal to keep growing, and doing what you go through in puberty. Certain people will go through multiple puberties. But it all depends on how-much, for how long. It may cause extremely oilly skin, resulting in HORRIBLE acne breakouts at any age it's used. The emotional levels may become upset, but it depends on how you're doing to kinda swing which way the emotions you are feeling will sway. In larger amounts, to pump the body with that boost, it may have to suck out nutrients, and calcium from your blood, and your bones. But only only over pro-longed period of steady use. But some aren't as lucky as others. It may take out calcium and nutrients from your bones, muscle tissues, eye tissue, genitals, brain, ear-lobes, and any other reliant source. This will result in an incredibly fragile (and even mentally unstable) individual. Your body will not be able to fight off diseases or proparly distribute nutrients throughout your blood if after your white blood-cell count goes down, so would your red. The oils that cause the near hemorage looking pimples (and even hemorages, however it's spelt) will have deadly toxins from the body, usually protected by mucus, that will seep out, and appear on the skin, as your intestines suffer. In the end, it will suck. I have never used it, and this is what I have come to learn from it, you may look it up also. But the HOW MUCH of it you need for certain of these to happen, I don't know. Everyone is different, with a different motabolism. To pump this testosterone, it may have to somewhat 'juice' out your ball-sack. This may provide horrible sexual effects such as inability to get errection (dick won't stiff) and feelings of hornyness may become erratic, combined with no errection, could cause an unopenable release. Causing alot of stress to the you, and could cause a horrible feeling of dispair since most of these things aren't reversable. Some say when you start using steroids 'the biological clock is ticking away' because it permanently saves your body's habits. It may suck out nutrients and calcium from the body untill you appear as if you are being eaten away in a slow, horrible, painful death. Just sucking out your body.
 
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i can just say it uses your testosterone to boost your body up the same way during your early and pre-adolescent years it give the kick so you become harrier, taller, deeper voiced, stronger, pimples, and whatever else. Part of it includes the emotional levels. Which is why teens like myself can feel such strong sexual, anger, or depressing feelings. Sometimes, euphoria. Idk much about the different typed of steroids, but from what i do know, it abuses that cycle. Pumps the body with too strong a signal to keep growing, and doing what you go through in puberty. Certain people will go through multiple puberties. But it all depends on how-much, for how long. It may cause extremely oilly skin, resulting in horrible acne breakouts at any age it's used. The emotional levels may become upset, but it depends on how you're doing to kinda swing which way the emotions you are feeling will sway. In larger amounts, to pump the body with that boost, it may have to suck out nutrients, and calcium from your blood, and your bones. But only only over pro-longed period of steady use. But some aren't as lucky as others. It may take out calcium and nutrients from your bones, muscle tissues, eye tissue, genitals, brain, ear-lobes, and any other reliant source. This will result in an incredibly fragile (and even mentally unstable) individual. Your body will not be able to fight off diseases or proparly distribute nutrients throughout your blood if after your white blood-cell count goes down, so would your red. The oils that cause the near hemorage looking pimples (and even hemorages, however it's spelt) will have deadly toxins from the body, usually protected by mucus, that will seep out, and appear on the skin, as your intestines suffer. In the end, it will suck. I have never used it, and this is what i have come to learn from it, you may look it up also. But the how much of it you need for certain of these to happen, i don't know. Everyone is different, with a different motabolism. To pump this testosterone, it may have to somewhat 'juice' out your ball-sack. This may provide horrible sexual effects such as inability to get errection (dick won't stiff) and feelings of hornyness may become erratic, combined with no errection, could cause an unopenable release. Causing alot of stress to the you, and could cause a horrible feeling of dispair since most of these things aren't reversable. Some say when you start using steroids 'the biological clock is ticking away' because it permanently saves your body's habits. It may suck out nutrients and calcium from the body untill you appear as if you are being eaten away in a slow, horrible, painful death. Just sucking out your body.
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put the pipe _down_... Sleep for a few days... Come back well...
 
Horrux said:
It's all in the mind dude. I suggest perhaps some sort of psychological angle before a hormonal one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against steroids, I'm very pro-steroids but there are cases where they are taken for exactly the wrong reasons, and psychological ones are those.
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Good to read I myself contemplated using at probably one of the shittiest times in my personal life but then decided to postpone it a year or two and I think in the long run its probably a good decision. Hell I will still stay a 150lb skinny fat dude for that time but atleast when I finally get to doing a cycle I will be in a better frame of mind to actually make the most of it.

Venturaraza13 said:
I can just say it uses your testosterone to boost your body up the same way during your early and pre-adolescent years it give the kick so you become harrier, taller, deeper voiced, stronger, pimples, and whatever else. Part of it includes the emotional levels. Which is why teens like myself can feel such strong sexual, anger, or depressing feelings. Sometimes, euphoria. Idk much about the different typed of steroids, but from what I DO know, it abuses that cycle. Pumps the body with too strong a signal to keep growing, and doing what you go through in puberty. Certain people will go through multiple puberties. But it all depends on how-much, for how long. It may cause extremely oilly skin, resulting in HORRIBLE acne breakouts at any age it's used. The emotional levels may become upset, but it depends on how you're doing to kinda swing which way the emotions you are feeling will sway. In larger amounts, to pump the body with that boost, it may have to suck out nutrients, and calcium from your blood, and your bones. But only only over pro-longed period of steady use. But some aren't as lucky as others. It may take out calcium and nutrients from your bones, muscle tissues, eye tissue, genitals, brain, ear-lobes, and any other reliant source. This will result in an incredibly fragile (and even mentally unstable) individual. Your body will not be able to fight off diseases or proparly distribute nutrients throughout your blood if after your white blood-cell count goes down, so would your red. The oils that cause the near hemorage looking pimples (and even hemorages, however it's spelt) will have deadly toxins from the body, usually protected by mucus, that will seep out, and appear on the skin, as your intestines suffer. In the end, it will suck. I have never used it, and this is what I have come to learn from it, you may look it up also. But the HOW MUCH of it you need for certain of these to happen, I don't know. Everyone is different, with a different motabolism. To pump this testosterone, it may have to somewhat 'juice' out your ball-sack. This may provide horrible sexual effects such as inability to get errection (dick won't stiff) and feelings of hornyness may become erratic, combined with no errection, could cause an unopenable release. Causing alot of stress to the you, and could cause a horrible feeling of dispair since most of these things aren't reversable. Some say when you start using steroids 'the biological clock is ticking away' because it permanently saves your body's habits. It may suck out nutrients and calcium from the body untill you appear as if you are being eaten away in a slow, horrible, painful death. Just sucking out your body.
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I started reading what seemed to be a good post and it just went downhill from there till it seemed like you were describing a meth addict.
 
Light Stalker said:
Good to read I myself contemplated using at probably one of the shittiest times in my personal life but then decided to postpone it a year or two and I think in the long run its probably a good decision. Hell I will still stay a 150lb skinny fat dude for that time but atleast when I finally get to doing a cycle I will be in a better frame of mind to actually make the most of it.
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Good for you bro. If you have extra funds, hire a professional to guide you into making it the best possible experience. You seem to know this, but it bears repeating that taking steroids is far more complicated than dropping a roll or doing a line.

Light Stalker said:
I started reading what seemed to be a good post and it just went downhill from there till it seemed like you were describing a meth addict.
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LMFAO exactly! ;)
 
Horrux said:
I think you are going to undergo a most unpleasant experience when you come off. The problem with steroids is that their effects don't stop when you come off, since they interact with every aspect of your biology. I believe you will be lucky to feel sort of back to normal after 12 weeks off that cycle unless you do as I instruct, and even then:

ADD TESTOSTERONE NOW. Come off Deca at least 3-4 weeks before stopping the testosterone and then doing your post-cycle therapy. Do you know what post-cycle therapy is? Research it. Use hCG during your cycle or you will regret it.
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use HCG during my cycle?

I thought you was meant to use it at the end of the cycle for 2 weeks?
then 4weeks on tamoxifen?
 
bighooter said:
use HCG during my cycle?

I thought you was meant to use it at the end of the cycle for 2 weeks?
then 4weeks on tamoxifen?
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If you don't do tons of research you certainly will end up hurting yourself.

Yes, hcg at 250iu twice a week during the cycle will keep your balls awake and prevent them from going into hibernation. Waking them up in 2 weeks requires big doses of hcg and those can very well desensitize them to LH, that's the hormone that your body makes that tells your balls to make testosterone. So if you use hcg 2 weeks at the end of your cycle you risk making your balls less productive over the longer term. If you use hcg during the cycle you run no such risk.

And for PCT do at LEAST Clomid (2-3 weeks) and tamox for at least 4 weeks. If you do 3 weeks of clomid you can overlap it with one of the weeks of tamox. To be safe, I would add a dose of aromasin (exemestane) daily to your PCT. 25mg ED for the first half, then 12.5mg ED for the second half, then trail it off with 12.5mg EOD, E3D.

Now that is the kind of PCT you want to be doing. You'll also need to change your training thoroughly as well as your diet if you want to KEEP the gains from your cycle.
 
I always feel much better on, the sides of any AAS will be there, your body reacts to it as it does. Personally tren ace will catch me another assault lol. But the way i look at it 12+ years of daily rec drug abuse on top of the last 6 years completely lost my soul to heroin. I don't look at steroids as if they have no risk, but a simple bloodwork will tell you how your body is holding up. The rest is up to you to run a decent correct cycle w/pct best of luck bro.
 
if it is ok with the rules of the forum

could someone pm the cheapest site for pct. I have found one which seems reasonable enough compared to others but just wanted to know if im missing out on something cheaper.
 
Horrux said:
If you don't do tons of research you certainly will end up hurting yourself.

Yes, hcg at 250iu twice a week during the cycle will keep your balls awake and prevent them from going into hibernation. Waking them up in 2 weeks requires big doses of hcg and those can very well desensitize them to LH, that's the hormone that your body makes that tells your balls to make testosterone. So if you use hcg 2 weeks at the end of your cycle you risk making your balls less productive over the longer term. If you use hcg during the cycle you run no such risk.

And for PCT do at LEAST Clomid (2-3 weeks) and tamox for at least 4 weeks. If you do 3 weeks of clomid you can overlap it with one of the weeks of tamox. To be safe, I would add a dose of aromasin (exemestane) daily to your PCT. 25mg ED for the first half, then 12.5mg ED for the second half, then trail it off with 12.5mg EOD, E3D.

Now that is the kind of PCT you want to be doing. You'll also need to change your training thoroughly as well as your diet if you want to KEEP the gains from your cycle.
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excellent post.
 
I just feel its important to point out to anyone reading the thread:

The gains you make when you first start really lifting are usually pretty good. There is no reason to start using steroids at this point.

Big Hooter: I suggest you get off them as safe as possible and never fuck with them again.
 
Im 5ft5 10stone8

I have been weight lifting for 5 years mate, I could never get past 10stone6 natural no matter how much I ate.
EVERYONE thought I was on steroids because at school I was always tiny, but I just couldnt get past the 10stone 6 mark.

So gradually over time I went back down to 9stone because I just got bored of 'bodybuilding' I sort of hit a plateau where although I felt very strong in myself physically and mentally I was just missing something which was ....fun
So I started partying hard and eating and sleeping less which is why I ended up back to 9stone.

Now my reason for using deca is basically just to get results quicker, because I worked so hard for so long to achieve a natural weight of 10stone 6 then to throw it all away and feel weak just made me not want to go the gym......
Hence why i'm using Deca
 
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