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Speak Your Mind on the OD Rules

^I wanna see what the admins have to say about all this, though. I dont think I've seen one of them in this thread.
I guess they could be lurking or posting in the OD mod thread, but I'm sure the rest of the public would be interested in their opinion too....at least I hope :\ Not everyone takes as much of an interest as I do in the goings on of the site. :\
 
We want to get a good set of ideas before we bring them to the admins. They are leaving this up to us since its not something that is normally done. They probably just think everything is being handled well enough by us, so they are staying out. I dont know for sure, but you can expect to hear either through us or directly from the admins (most likely through us) the final decisions/opinions on everything discussed in here.

I dont want to speak for the admins when I say that, but Im sure they have their thoughts on whats been going on in this thread.
 
Just want to comment on a couple posts I missed earlier...

smp150 said:
Fair enough, and actually a good point, but what if there is a new drug introduced?
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Theres always the chance, but the release of new drugs is a slow process, and many years come between them.

If a new drug does show up that fits in with OD, obviously the guidelines would be changed to accommodate it. What the rules would be? Who knows. We would probably allow discussion of the high and the whole 9 yards just so we can get all the possible information there is on it, but it wont happen for a while anyways, so we will see when the time comes. Hell, we might not even be the mods by that time anyways. I know some of you would love that.


xxl said:
The woes of the OD forum may have to do with the fact that contrary to other specialised forums which deal with only one drug, the OD forum is about any "other" drugs, so it has become a dump for all queries that can't be accommodated in the other forums.
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That may be true. When you are talking about one specific drug (Ecstasy) its much easier to make a set of rules that can apply to only that. We have quite a few different drugs that we are talking about, so its not really possible to make real specific blanket rules that would cover all of them in a fair sense. The rules we do have do the best they can in that, and to be honest, I think they do a great job at it. Unfortunately, its restricted some topics, but it keeps the discussion intelligent and smooth.

xxl said:
One way out would be to split the OD forum into specialised forums : 1) Coke, speed and analogues 2) Opiates 3) Pharms and other legal highs. In this way serious queries regarding such potentially hazardous hard drugs as coke and heroin would not get diluted into dozens of repetitive, pointless questions about snorting xanax or extracting a valium prescription from a reluctant physician. Other benefits would be that questions like "what syringe to use" could be answered without posters having first to be questioned about which drug it is they're injecting. Of course, once the OD forum is split, out-of-place posts should be deleted, not transfered, so as to force people to post into the right niche. After all, there's no benefit in having a general OD forum if one third of its posts have to be redirected.
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Its been talked about many times, but I dont think the forum is going to be split anytime soon, nor would I want it to, and I think a lot of BL regulars share my opinion on that. Im not saying its a bad idea, but...well...yeah, its a bad idea. Some of those topics youve listed dont get as much discussion as the others, so the forum based on those topics would just stagnate. I know I wouldnt want to be a mod of a slow forum after being a mod for OD (second highest traffic in all of BL, iirc). Althought it may not seem like it, its just easier to throw the less discussed topics in here with the rest of them.

For a while, it turned out that we were closing out of place posts more often than moving them, and we found that it might be a better idea to move them to BDD or whatever other forum they belong in. Im not sure if you noticed, but people dont like having their threads closed. BUT, not that many posts actually have to be redirected, so its not really a big deal. At least, its not big enough of a deal to warrant splitting the forum up.
 
GenericMind said:
And?
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And moral judgments about drug use are contrary to the philosophy of harm reduction. In fact, harm reduction recognises that moral positions against drug use generally serve to increase the harm to people who use drugs, rather than reduce it.

If you can find a definition of harm reduction anywhere that says moral judgments do have a place within the philosophy, I'll be more than happy to hear about it.

Just for good measure, here's part of one from the International Harm Reduction Association

There are two main pillars that guide harm reduction. One is a pragmatic public health approach, and the other is based within a human rights approach. Both share an ethos that changing human behaviour must be a facilitative and cooperative process which respects the dignity of the individual. Harm reduction avoids moralistic, stigmatizing and judgmental statements about substance use and users. It avoids value laden language (such as ‘drug abuse’ and ‘addict’). Harm reduction approaches also seek to identify and advocate for changes in laws, regulations and policies that increase harms, or which hinder the introduction of harm reduction interventions.
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If you want more treatment places in your local area, you need to advocate for that at the local level. Join your local harm reduction network. Restricting new posts about injecting subutex will not increase access to opiate treatment.
 
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sixpartseven said:
No worries. Im just happy you guys are interested in this thread and are contributing. You can tell us whatever you want, however you want, as long as there is some respect in it, unlike certain posters.

But yeah, were up to the task. It really isnt as hard as it may seem, though. I bet you'd be a fine a moderator.
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Give respect to get respect.
 
sixpartseven said:
What pompous attitude? We dont make the rule in the BLUA that says no open discussion on forum policies or issues with staff. We are going against that and letting it happen anyways. How is that "holier than thou"?

Youve been here for less than a month and you are already pretending to know how BL runs. I suggest you get more acquainted with BL before saying such ridiculous things.
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The BLUA has nothing to do with your tone when dealing with people. "Rare opportunity..." is just an example of your pompous attitude towards members. It's not what you say, but how you say it. Take this for example: "Youve been here for less than a month and you are already pretending to know how BL runs."

Am I? Maybe you can give an example that shows this? Or is asking a question "pretending to know how BL runs?" I don't know what kind of power trip you're on, but whining about "challenging staff" in a PM is pretty pompous.

BTW, I have another screen name that I used before. I've been here more than a month. Does that make you feel better?
 
Flexistentialist said:
And moral judgments about drug use are contrary to the philosophy of harm reduction. In fact, harm reduction recognises that moral positions against drug use generally serve to increase the harm to people who use drugs, rather than reduce it.

If you can find a definition of harm reduction anywhere that says moral judgments do have a place within the philosophy, I'll be more than happy to hear about it.

Just for good measure, here's part of one from the International Harm Reduction Association



If you want more treatment places in your local area, you need to advocate for that at the local level. Join your local harm reduction network. Restricting new posts about injecting subutex will not increase access to opiate treatment.
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I guess that's where we disagree. You think the issue is about abusing a drug. I think it's about abusing a treatment program. I'm not willing to offer "Harm Reduction" for treatment program abuse.
 
sixpartseven said:
What Im saying is, if we made it clear to newer members exactly what type of questions fit into which forum, it may help a little bit, but how do we do that? You feel me?
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How about if new members received a welcome email explaining basic rules with links to individual forum rules?

FC
 
why do you lock threads when you think it doesnt pertain to this particular board, or when you think "its been answered"? what or who will be hurt if people continue to post? who cares????????
 
^Whether or not it "hurts" people isn't the point. Repetitive threads take up space on the site, and people need to learn to use the search engine before they start a new thread.
And besides, when a thread dosen't belong in a particular forum, it's usually moved to the forum it pertains to rather than closed right away.
If a thread is "good", even if it's put in the wrong forum it's moved and kept open. And yes, I realize "good" is relative and everyone probably has a different definition for it, but the mods use their best judgement and I for one trust them.
As I said before, the staff here realizes they only make up a very small percentage of the posters here, and even though they're the only ones with power, we, the members, are bluelight. The staff recognizes this and strives to keep the members happy, but rules are rules and we're expected to follow them.
 
sometimes the search engine IS tricky though. i broke my foot at work monday, and i tried to search about suboxones effect on pain and how long before i could take my hydrocodone (i still hafta work) and came up with nothing...the search engine sucks
 
GenericMind said:
I guess that's where we disagree. You think the issue is about abusing a drug. I think it's about abusing a treatment program. I'm not willing to offer "Harm Reduction" for treatment program abuse.
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Then don't pretend that's a "harm reduction" stance because what you've just described is the antithesis of harm reduction.
 
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