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Southport murderer Axel Rudakubana - should he go back to prison or remain in Broadmoor?

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Controversy is erupting over this. I don't have much sympathy for the killer, but I can't imagine Broadmoor is luxurious.

In any case, he's probably serving upwards of fifty years. That's all but life.
 
Axel Rudakubana should be sentenced to eating rutabagas for the rest of his life for having a name like that.
 
Nutty Sutty went to Broadmoor, the argument is why not just hang the bastards but Im not keen on the state having the power to kill us.

Musk and Trump are really keen on saying various people should "be hanged"
 
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It's plant-produced by a farm crop which is also used as an ornamental garden plant.

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life means life.

he has mental health issues then treat then while he's in prison

it's not rocket science, "the man" needs to stop being a twat and deal with things in the right way
 
It's a tricky one. If at trial, his mental health meant he was subject to the MNaughton rules (not guilty due to insanity) a judge would still use a hospital order (one of the three high security psychiatric units in the UK) and historically, killers don't get released. But as it is, if he developed a serious mental illness while in prison, he can be moved on a temperory basis but that 52 year sentence stands.

It isn't a unique case. Somewhere between 950 and 1000 violent inmates are sent temporarily to a secure psychiatric unit but the vast majority are remitted to prison within 28 days.

The thing about those secure psychiatric units is that new patients are essentially put in a cell and just watched for 14-28 days as constant observation over such a long period will see if someone is trying to fake it. I don't know if it's still the case but IF it was concluded that schizophrania (for example) was diagnosed, if an antipsychotic medication works, most are depoted and remitted.

So a truly psychotic person will slowly improve (note the slowly) but fakers often descided that the medication makes such units the less attractive option.

Either way, he won't live to be released.

But I don't have all the facts and neither does anyone else here on BL (AFAIK) so I'm just stating the bits I am aware of.
 
this is why we have a broken system

it's meant to work so that true cause of crime being mental illness should be dealt with in the right way, treatment of mental illness should be treated in the right way, therefore there's never a conflict between punishment and treatment even if if during a sentence someone develops a mental illness - there are already grounds to keep people locked up on mental heath reasons for longer than/independently to sentencing.

fifty years isn't a life sentence, it's a fifty year sentence, if that was fit for the crime is a different debatable point to being mentally fit to serve the time, or if mental treatment counts to the sentence time served, or if secure mental treatment (potentially for actual life) is a valid action to take.

the reality is all too often 1 of the following
1. diminished mental grounds = locked up for an inappropriate length of time unrelated to the crime/sentence with no treatment and therefore no chance to ever get free even if they had served their time
2. sentenced with no mental health support when it's needed
3. inappropriate sentencing either via interpretation or poor guidelines

only 1 thing is clear, everyone gets fucked over, the public, the victim and the person with mental health issues

piss poor
 
placebonaut said:
life means life.

he has mental health issues then treat then while he's in prison

it's not rocket science, "the man" needs to stop being a twat and deal with things in the right way
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Prison does not treat mental illness in any meaningful way. If the chap is experiencing actual psychosis then he is a danger to himself (arguably not such a big deal in this specific instance) and others (arguably a slightly bigger issue - prison guards for example).

If ASD is truly his only issue, that’s not a mental illness so the question is moot. The extremity of his crimes suggests a more serious psychological issue though imo.
 
www.theguardian.com

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana charged with attacking prison staff

Rudakubana, serving life sentence for murders of three girls at dance event ⁠in 2024, charged with multiple assaults
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Turns out the guy was bloody dangerous, even by prison standards.

If he's considered a danger to staff and to hardened criminals, that really says something.

But the families still think it's a cop out. Even though he's injuring innocent people. I can understand their anger, but I think this decision was correct.
 
if this really is him manipulating the system then despite being an atheist I will have a little pray for divine justice.

I'm very conflicted by this case in truth and have some contradictory views, I don't believe in the death penalty, don't believe in heaven/hell, would like people to be truly and reasonably punished for their crime (without waiting for god to sort it out), firmly believe in rehabilitation and good mental health support coupled with a fair legal system, however as a dad I could happily watch this person suffer painfully at my own hands for what they did and don't want to waste tax pay money on them.

I hope they don't go to broadmoor and just get sedated, that would be too easy for them. In general population someone is going to get to them sooner or later.

feel so much for the little ones families, it must be hell on earth for them.
 
Broadmoor and sedation is probably how it'll go.

I understand that people want some kind of retribution, but realistically that's not what prison is about.

He'd be a hugely disruptive influence if he was in prison, and he'd just invite other inmates to take a piece of him. Which is understandable, but in light of the two recent high profile prison murders, the authorities have to play it safe.

I wouldn't want to go to Broadmoor anyway. It's hardly a reprieve. I'd probably choose prison.
 
To be fair, I knew a family in which both of the kids (sons) were at the far end of the autism spectrum and one day I see the father with bite-marks all over his face. His own son had attacked him. He believed both sons needed to be in a specialist unit but his wife profoundly disagreed. In this case Rwandans attach a huge amount of stigma to neurodivergent and/or mentally ill family members. I recall how one slow but totally non-threatening Rwandan guy was mercilessly put down by almost everyone - they would shout 'umusazi'. After the massacre a lot of Rwandans really were dealing with truly terrible things but they tend to view mental illness as a spiritual illness.

But to be clear, both of those sons KNEW when they were doing something wrong. The elder was a compulsive masturbator and repeadly took sword in hand in public spaces. But he did it to get a reaction. He KNEW what he was doing was wrong.

I think the problem might be that as with the case I saw, Axel Rudakubana likewise almost certainly has multiple personality disorders but treatment in someone with severe autism just isn't a thing as the patient isn't able to recognize why they behave in destructive ways. I'm guessing cluster A and cluster B so a very complex case.

But it isn't all bad news - the medications used to treat severe autism are risperidone and aripiprazole and if he's judged unable to understand and give consent, it's one of the few situations where a clinician can decide on long-term medication on the basis of what is best for the patient.
 
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