Southport murderer Axel Rudakubana - should he go back to prison or remain in Broadmoor?

[Perkins : Reborn]

Controversy is erupting over this. I don't have much sympathy for the killer, but I can't imagine Broadmoor is luxurious.

In any case, he's probably serving upwards of fifty years. That's all but life.

 

[Chaurus]

Axel Rudakubana should be sentenced to eating rutabagas for the rest of his life for having a name like that.

 

[Ismene2]

Nutty Sutty went to Broadmoor, the argument is why not just hang the bastards but Im not keen on the state having the power to kill us.

Musk and Trump are really keen on saying various people should "be hanged"

 

[Shambles]

Broadmoor imo. Bloke is clearly nutso and, given his crimes, should never see the light of day again.

 

[Ismene2]

Some of these judges - I've seen more brains on Sutcliffes hammer.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

He's on a minimum sentence of 52 years, so he can apply for parole in 2077.

The guy's diagnosed autistic and was just obsessed with bloodshed. Manufactured ricin too.

 

[Chaurus]

Manufactured ricin too.

Unlike money, that stuff grows on trees.

 

[Ismene2]

The ricin cant be real can it? The only people selling ricin and guns on the darknet are undercover 5-0. "Yes, we'll be waiting for you.."

 

[Chaurus]

The ricin cant be real can it? The only people selling ricin and guns on the darknet are undercover 5-0. "Yes, we'll be waiting for you.."

Ricin can easily be produced at home.

 

[Ismene2]

Is it as simple as LSD? You just put orange peel and Heineken in a bucket and leave it in your wardrobe for 6 months.

 

[Chaurus]

Is it as simple as LSD? You just put orange peel and Heineken in a bucket and leave it in your wardrobe for 6 months.

It's plant-produced by a farm crop which is also used as an ornamental garden plant.

To produce non-toxic vegetable oil from the ricinus, the oil has to be heated to destroy the phytotoxin.

 

[placebonaut]

life means life.

he has mental health issues then treat then while he's in prison

it's not rocket science, "the man" needs to stop being a twat and deal with things in the right way

 

[4DQSAR]

It's a tricky one. If at trial, his mental health meant he was subject to the MNaughton rules (not guilty due to insanity) a judge would still use a hospital order (one of the three high security psychiatric units in the UK) and historically, killers don't get released. But as it is, if he developed a serious mental illness while in prison, he can be moved on a temperory basis but that 52 year sentence stands.

It isn't a unique case. Somewhere between 950 and 1000 violent inmates are sent temporarily to a secure psychiatric unit but the vast majority are remitted to prison within 28 days.

The thing about those secure psychiatric units is that new patients are essentially put in a cell and just watched for 14-28 days as constant observation over such a long period will see if someone is trying to fake it. I don't know if it's still the case but IF it was concluded that schizophrania (for example) was diagnosed, if an antipsychotic medication works, most are depoted and remitted.

So a truly psychotic person will slowly improve (note the slowly) but fakers often descided that the medication makes such units the less attractive option.

Either way, he won't live to be released.

But I don't have all the facts and neither does anyone else here on BL (AFAIK) so I'm just stating the bits I am aware of.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

He's diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder. I don't know of any further diagnoses.

 

[placebonaut]

this is why we have a broken system

it's meant to work so that true cause of crime being mental illness should be dealt with in the right way, treatment of mental illness should be treated in the right way, therefore there's never a conflict between punishment and treatment even if if during a sentence someone develops a mental illness - there are already grounds to keep people locked up on mental heath reasons for longer than/independently to sentencing.

fifty years isn't a life sentence, it's a fifty year sentence, if that was fit for the crime is a different debatable point to being mentally fit to serve the time, or if mental treatment counts to the sentence time served, or if secure mental treatment (potentially for actual life) is a valid action to take.

the reality is all too often 1 of the following
1. diminished mental grounds = locked up for an inappropriate length of time unrelated to the crime/sentence with no treatment and therefore no chance to ever get free even if they had served their time
2. sentenced with no mental health support when it's needed
3. inappropriate sentencing either via interpretation or poor guidelines

only 1 thing is clear, everyone gets fucked over, the public, the victim and the person with mental health issues

piss poor