Sometimes, it is okay to narc

[Carl Landrover]

If you fuck a dealer, you fuck all his customers as well.

 

[Roger&Me]

If you rat someone out, I hope they either break your kneecaps or shoot you. Because the only people even thinking about ratting someone out are upper middle-class white people, because everyone in other segments of society know that real drug dealers have real guns, and bullets fucking hurt.

 

[socko]

"That sounbds like a different situation. You were calling the police because some fucked up person was threatening you. Whether he was under the influence of drugs or not, has no bearing on the fact that you were asaulted. That's not exactly narcing in my book. That's reporting an assault against you. A little different than narcing on a dealer because your bag was light, or the shit was cut to hell or something like that."
That's true. I don't think selling light bags or dope that's been cut to hell is enough to justify narcing. I just never buy from that person again and tell everybody that his product is low quality.

 

[Smyth]

Swim has been ripped and sold shit cut with baking soda etc which was pain to snort, lots of times. That's what some people are like, low lives dont have morales. However swim never went to the police on this matter because that is also low life. The best way to deal with the scenario is to realize that people who rip your wealth or go behind your back are not worth trusting and should be dispensed off. Going to the police is quite an ugly way of managing the issue though. I would only do that if I felt my safety was being threatened or if I was getting mugged etc.

 

[Psyko_dk]

Okay...so then what is the point of your thread? Either the above quote is complete bullshit, OR you're trying to convince other people to snitch because you obviously got burned and are too big of a pussy to do it yourself.

I've never snitched on anyone because the situation I described is hypothetical. However I can't see how anyone can look the other way if people start to die because the dealer is knowingly selling an obvious lethal drug, i.e. carfentanyl poorly cut and he won't stop even when you tell him about the grave consequences of his actions.

The other thing you have quoted me for I never said so I won't discuss that part.

-Psyko

 

[walking_man]

ITS UP TO THE PEOPLE WHOSE BUSINESS GETS FUCKED UP BY SOMEONE ELSES SHITTY BUSINESS NOT SOME STUPID ASS FUCKIN "GOOD CITIZEN" KID WHO BELIEVES THAT HES CAPTAIN PLANET OF THE DRUG WORLD.

The shottys will come out and the shit gets taken care of. and it works fine that way without punks with no respect for how shits done tryina interfere with their "save the drug community" crap.

did your mama never teach you to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS?

Didn't your mother ever tell you that profanity makes you sound ignorant and that yelling at a stranger for voicing an opinion is disrespectful? You learned to mind your own business, but didn't pick up the manners your average 5 year old would know? Your mother would be so disappointed in you...

 

[Psyko_dk]

To clarify it even more I'll say that if the dealer just tell his customers that they are buying cut carfentanyl it's their responsiblity and you shouldn't narc on him.

 

[Smyth]

carfentanyl has never hit the streets AFAIK

 

[DopaMan]

If you rat someone out, I hope they either break your kneecaps or shoot you. Because the only people even thinking about ratting someone out are upper middle-class white people, because everyone in other segments of society know that real drug dealers have real guns, and bullets fucking hurt.

Hahaha. I don't wish harm on anyone but that made me laugh. Clearly ratting someone out can get you killed. I mean lacey k is pretty much threatening you and she isn't even a dealer.

 

[I-Love-Marijuana]

Income tax in itself is theft

Hahahah! Hahah! Oh man, haha! Welcome Brother! But seriously, it is decided by our representative government, even though it was a president who first set up the income tax. It was started by President Lincoln, at 1%, to finance the Civil War. Quite a paradox - a Republican starting the income tax. Still, it was supposed to be temporary.

Regardless of your point, all drug dealers are cheats, as they do not pay taxes on their income. Even lottery winners are subject to an income tax. If you win a free car, it is subject to income tax. While I don't really care, when you say drug dealers who are cheats are bad, but not all drug dealers are bad, you are just being hypocritical.

I'm just saying it how it is. I agree with you on some parts, and understand your viewpoint completely, but there is no reason to sugarcoat it.

Slightly off topic: Reminds me of those people who support abortion. While I support abortion myself, no reason to sugarcoat the fact it is the slaying of a human baby. Maybe I'm just sick, but I don't bother.

Why should drug dealers feel that they are safe?

I know this is asking alot, but trust me - Drug dealers do not feel safe. They will never feel safe. That is the scourge and stain of being a drug dealer.

And by the way, the sketchiness comes from the danger of the game. More snitches would only crank out more sketchy dealers. Instead of a dealer trying to be honest, you will just get a crook who will rob you straight up, in your face, in 2 minutes of meeting you, first chance they get.

Sorry to say, but more snitches would only make "The Game" much more dangerous.

Unfortunately, this is never how it works in the black market. Many times, people will never resort to ratting somebody out, but they will often partake in violent methods to settle the problem. This only perpetuates the vicious cycle.

You don't know what your talking about here. Look at how many instances we know of where a drug dealer will rush to even up the bag he "accidentally" shorted, or gives money back, or gives discounts for bags that weren't top notch/quality. Again, trust me - a drug dealer needs every single customers. One steady customer does make a difference, and they won't lose it.

Alot of being a drug dealer is ambition. If you notice, most drug dealers in it for money won't touch their own shit, won't get high. It's like the person who works in a restaurant but never buys food on the job. They want all the money, and keep it, and save it, and spend it on something "better". They definately value a reliable customer.

The best course of action is, just like in the legit market, to spread the word about how bad they are.

Perhaps he should have thought about that before making countless other people his victims.

What the fuck? So what? You don't go ruin this guy's family's life because you got problems with the dealer. Putting them slowly out of business will make the provider find another way to make money, rather than just cut the family cold. Your problems are with The Man, not with his 6 year old daughter or wife.

And what do you suggest as a more effective method of getting rid of a sketchy dealer

I told you already - spread the word.

Anyone ever heard of KARMA?

KARMA is bullshit, don't kid yourself. Besides, karma is about the next life, not this one - if your into that sort of thing.

All your arguements are hot, steaming, ignorant bullshit.

Excuse me, but your violating Bluelight guidelines once again. You can say that in a much more civil manner.

But after all, aren't all threads started in "hot, steaming, ignorant bullshit" anyways? We're all here to learn....

 

[W1RED]

I realize that there is a taboo among many members of the young generation on snitching somebody out. This belief is widespread and prevalent especially in the drug community.

Yeah, it is a taboo, and is for good reason. Its too hard to judge the line--whether another dealer did something shady, or you just wanted his competition out of the way.

Narcing on anyone doesn't work. Don't ever try it. The only thing we, as consumers, dealers, whatever, is to try and make it as honorable an industry as possible. This means you deal with your own problems. Those who deal with them through violence usually get caught anyways, so don't do it that way. The point is, if you want a fair industry, play the game the way it should be played. Bring scales, test kits, whatever, or choose a source you trust. Make friends, tell everyone else to make friends. A couple extra dollars isn't that big a deal, if you're a dealer, think about maintaining a clean product, and you'll keep real good buisness. You always make better money when the customer comes back.
If its a new product, buy a little, try it first, then come back if you want more.
There are people I always come back to and even tip for being so clean and so honest about their buisness.

Honestly, yes, shit does get messy, it happens all the time, heat is a frightening part of the game, and I hate seeing it. Do your part to clean it up, be fair, be cool, but don't narc on anyone, and keep buisness as straight as possible.

 

[I-Love-Marijuana]

Lacey k....

You PLAY BY THE RULES OF THE GAME YOURE IN.

You should know better than anyone that if you think everyone in this game plays by the rules, you will be the first to get fucked. You can cry in jail or in your grave when someone breaks the rules.

And ratting is not just a underground moral value type deal, its common decency. you dont tell your boss you coworker was late. you dont report your neighbor for drinking on his front lawn. You dont tell your friends girlfriend you saw him kissing another woman.

Don't need to start trouble when none would occur anyways. Agreed - good point.

The original poster is just posing a legitamate question for discussion. Too many of you are actually getting heated over this. What a joke!

It's simple, just answer his question logically - no, don't narc, it is ineffective and counterproductive. Just spread the word about his shit being bad to potential customers, that is all.

And with that, I would like to request that a moderator take action against' lacey k's posts or lacey k fix them herself. You resort to name calling, insults, flaming, and inflammatory posts - which are clearly against Bluelight guidelines.

Oh wait, you know the moderator on a personal basis. That is why you get away with all these violations. Hm, I see.

 

[chemicalEactive]

I've never snitched on anyone because the situation I described is hypothetical. However I can't see how anyone can look the other way if people start to die because the dealer is knowingly selling an obvious lethal drug, i.e. carfentanyl poorly cut and he won't stop even when you tell him about the grave consequences of his actions.

The other thing you have quoted me for I never said so I won't discuss that part.

-Psyko

If the dealer is KNOWINGLY selling an obvious lethal drug...that sounds more to me like murder. I don't think there are many dealers out there foolish enough to do something like that.
Say, perhaps, a dealer sold some lethal shit...and it started killing a bunch of kids after he unloaded a lot of it on the streets, I'm pretty sure that guy would disappear rather quickly.

In the case of the murder scenario, yeah...someone will definitely be calling the cops...and it will probably be the kids' parents, friends or family. Because I feel passionately that being a narc is morally incorrect, I make it my responsibility to be an informed consumer. I will also refer back to my previous posting...I develop a trusting relationship before buying from an unknown source. I usually meet my connections through friends, etc...not to mention the fact that I am a pretty good judge of character.

If I were at a club, and people started dropping like flies from ingesting lethal shit they bought...my ass is out the back door before cops arrive on the scene. Who in their right mind would want to get caught up ion the middle of some shit like that? Someone who has an emotional investment and a reason to wait for the cops, or a complete idiot, will wait behind and tell the pigs everything they know.

Now, supposing all that really happened to me...and this dealer I knew showed up on the news or Crime Stoppers wanted in connection with a multiple homicide, and I just happened to know where he was hiding...yeah, maybe I'ld think about picking up the phone...But you see how highly unlikely this scenerio would be, right?

 

[NerdOnDrugs]

Narcing is a complete violation of the unwritten code. It's one taboo I am 100% behind.

 

[KemicalBurn]

Oh wait, you know the moderator on a personal basis. That is why you get away with all these violations. Hm, I see.

Another insinuation like that and you can kiss good-bye to another account.

Lacey doesnt get away with violations, and she'll tell you the same. I give no quarter regardless of who the poster is.

Right, I've been over this thread with a fine tooth comb and i have the follwing to say:

Lacey: I agree with what you're saying, but not how you are putting it across, you havent broken any rules, but you are getting hot tempered and you may slip if you keep being so passionate about this.

Psychubus: You have every right to argue your own opinion, but as i pointed out to Lacey, perhaps you could simmer down just a tad.

Lets try to be civil guys, its just a thread, its not like you're on the street right now

 

[LiveIllegal]

edit: Okay, think about it. YOU ARE WEEDING OUT PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW TO BE A DETRIMENT AND CAUSE OF HARM. THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE BACKWARDS PROGRESS OF DRUG LEGALIZATION, AND PROMOTE NEGATIVE VIEWS ON DRUG USAGE. I can't seem to find any good argument against this, aside from "its not gonna happen." Again...catch 22...hopeless...

The harm you're referring to is a result of prohibition, and despite your efforts to "clean up" the community, shady dealers will continue to exist. Impure or fake drugs are sold because it's a black market; there's no regulation and just about any dirty business move goes. Dealers generally sell purer drugs because they can afford to and it ultimately brings in more customers. If you eliminate their competition, they'll be more inclined to further cut their drugs to increase profit. Their customers won't have anyone else to go to, so they can get away with it more easily.

Another thing to consider is that you're not innocent as a user. A great deal of people think you're a detriment to society and won't hesitate to snitch on you. How do you think it's any different on your level? Are you somehow wiser? You're no hero; the only thing you will accomplish is to get the unnecessary attention of law enforcement and a negative reputation amongst your fellow users and dealers. It's not going to make anybody paranoid about selling bad drugs; the only way anybody would know why you narced someone is if you said it yourself, and if you're putting yourself out there like that you're asking for trouble. As noble as you may think it is, it's generally conceived as a cold bitch-move, and since you're barely going to put a dent in the drug trade I don't see any good coming of it.

 

[Psyko_dk]

Now, supposing all that really happened to me...and this dealer I knew showed up on the news or Crime Stoppers wanted in connection with a multiple homicide, and I just happened to know where he was hiding...yeah, maybe I'ld think about picking up the phone...But you see how highly unlikely this scenerio would be, right?

I never said that it was likely...I just said that in such a situation I would personally feel obliged to call the cops.

In any other case like this last summer where the police busted me for heroin possession (small amount) and tried to make me give up the names and addresses of dealers I gave them nothing.

anyway when it comes to heroin you can seldomly rely on your friends to get you connections and often you have to visit the ghetto or at least a shady neighborhood.

 

[forky]

anyway when it comes to heroin you can seldomly rely on your friends to get you connections and often you have to visit the ghetto or at least a shady neighborhood.

get better friends.

 

[Endless Night]

Narcs, Ratts, Snitches, are the lowest of the low.

I would love to know a few select narcs in my town

and make some great examples out of them

 

[121]

Of course I have come across some of the best dealers as well, that promote nothing but good vibes and friendly atmosphere. They never lie about the quality of their product--if it is shitty, they will admit it's shitty, but give you a deal on it. I hold nothing but the highest regard for honest businessmen and women like these.

hahah, "honest businessmen and women like these" hahahah, I love how you're talking about them like they're a legitimate corporation, like you just made an important business deal with Halliburton and they kissed your ass the whole time. Well alright, ignoring all fallacies with this, fine, ALL drug dealers are hard working businessmen and should be regarded as such, and some of them deal shitty drugs and sometimes people die because of the shitty drugs. If you want to use this whole economics theme you've been keeping up, well, what happens to a business when their product is shit and sometimes kills people? NOBODY BUYS! and the drug dealer is forced to either get good shit or quit the game all together. The market will get rid of these dealers (come on, what business could succeed when it kills all their customers on their first buy), not snitching. Snitching is just gonna get you killed. I DARE you to snitch on the next guy that rips you off.