Sometimes, it is okay to narc

[Sphinx (Afterlife)]

Snitching on someone that sells you a bad product is silly and dangerous to yourself, fuck that it's strictly caveat empor when you buy on the street. That said I crack up reading these post about "the code of streets" and how you never ever narc, bullshit. If it meant my freedom I'd sing from the treetops and I don't care who it would bring down and you know what? I'd get as much police protection as possible then dissapear. You guys are pretty funny thinking the world is black and white and those who do wrong always get what's coming to them, that rarely happens. Truth is the hardest mother-fucker is going to snitch if it means he's seeing 20 to life with no parole, show me your "code" then, please. Karma does not exist and it says a lot about your simple toughts that you have to believe it does.

You think the police can protect you??? Police get killed all the time. Wakeup bud, no witness protection program is gonna save your ass if you snitch the wrong person.

So you might think your saving your ass, but you end up three rounds through your head 3 days later. Shit happens all the time. And even bigger, most snitches dont get off free, they get lesser time. When you goto jail and word gets out you got reduced from snitching, say hello to getting beat down daily and/or straight up murdered, just because.

 

[Cyrus]

I think Narcing is good.
Please, report to your local police station about any and ALL evil, malignant drug dealers, and get them baddies behind bars.

 

[drew345]

you can justify narcing however you want but the simple fact is you fuck with the wrong person and your dead its that simple

 

[Rott]

The moment 'narcing' is even slightly deemed an acceptable method of removing unwanted drug dealers, no matter what possible reasons, it makes the whole affair 1000% more dangerous

what happens when some punk kid is pissed at a short bag, or just has personal problems with the dealer in question? it is not yours or anyones place to decide when that line has been crossed.

If these 'evil, malignant dealers' are so prevalant word DOES spread and if they're that much of a scumbag then people DO find out and matters are dealt with.

unless they have physically harmed you or one you love it is simply unnaceptable, even then an eye fo an eye is rather more appropriate.

 

[swifty]

You PLAY BY THE RULES OF THE GAME YOURE IN.

That's right!

I haven't read through this thread from start to finish, cos there's a similar one in ADD, but suffice to say, as someone put it in that thread,

There's a special place in hell for rat scum.

What we do is illegal, regardless, there's never gonna be QC board, or an ombudsman, or a ministry of fair trading or a code of practice or anything like that, if you've been ripped off, don't go back to that person and quietly spread the word out to you friends that his shit is no good.

Don't rat on people, it's just not the done thing, mmkay.

 

[Psychubus]

^^ that says a lot about your character. And truth is...that hardest mother-fucker isn't going to snitch.

Please. People who don't rely on (what should in theory be) safer methods must often seek other illegal and harmful activities as a means of revenge. What kind of "honorable character" is that?

Yeah some of you guys seem to be so keen on this whole word "honor." But it seems to me what you guys consider honor is just not looking like a snitch, without really digging deeper into it philosophically (AKA mindless idiot junkies). You guys talk a lot about honor, but what do you really know about it? Honor is in helping others and bettering yourself and society, and protecting people whom you know how are malignant is quite the opposite.

Additionally, lacey k does not seem to know what the word analogous means.

 

[Roger&Me]

For those of you who think that snitching is somehow "furthering the cause of drug legalization" or whatever idealistic horse shit you're spewing: WAKE THE FUCK UP. Nobody in the drug game gives a fuck about "legalization" and all of that NORML bullshit; they care about the absurd amounts of cash they make slanging dope to addicts. End of story. You snitch on someone, and you are fucking both their freedom and their monetary success. If the person you snitch on has balls and is worth his salt, he'll cap you in a second just because you're fucking up business. I'm so sick of this "furthering the cause" crap; grow the fuck up, the real world isn't Erowid and Bluelight long-haired LSD outdoor festival hippie bullshit, they don't give a shit about that idealistic crap. In the REAL drug game, the be-all end-all is that GREEN PAPER. And also keep in mind, choosing between going to prison for 20 years or killing some stupid fuck trying to "further the legalization cause" isn't any kind of choice at all. And that's all I have to say about that.

 

[Psychubus]

For those of you who think that snitching is somehow "furthering the cause of drug legalization" or whatever idealistic horse shit you're spewing: WAKE THE FUCK UP. Nobody in the drug game gives a fuck about "legalization" and all of that NORML bullshit; they care about the absurd amounts of cash they make slanging dope to addicts. End of story. You snitch on someone, and you are fucking both their freedom and their monetary success. If the person you snitch on has balls and is worth his salt, he'll cap you in a second just because you're fucking up business. I'm so sick of this "furthering the cause" crap; grow the fuck up, the real world isn't Erowid and Bluelight long-haired LSD outdoor festival hippie bullshit, they don't give a shit about that idealistic crap. In the REAL drug game, the be-all end-all is that GREEN PAPER. And also keep in mind, choosing between going to prison for 20 years or killing some stupid fuck trying to "further the legalization cause" isn't any kind of choice at all. And that's all I have to say about that.

If you know this, then why aren't you making any attempt to live by example? Many of those people who don't care about legalization simply don't know. But to continue living in ignorance when you clearly are aware, is no way to live.

 

[I-Love-Marijuana]

The only exception to that exception(wtf?) is if the dealer/person in question was a close friend or family member. I'm confident that I'd be willing to take a longer prison sentence for the former, and I'm certain I would for the latter.

Good point.

This is why I hate Black History Month.

Black history month is total bullshit. In a nearby high school, they actually made it a bonus question on the announcements asking who founded the Black Panther Party of America. What the fuck?!

I asked someone enthusiatic about black history month a question: When is white history month?

Black history month is total racist bullshit. Apparently if a white man or even an asian man, or hispanic man, builds a railroad, it doesn't mean shit. But if a black man builds a traffic light, its all bells and whistles. And that pisses me off too, alot of people who are accredited to certain things, such as the stoplight, is completely false just as a sanction as if to make the black people feel okay by making the white inferior.

As BLACK MAN Larry Elders pointed out - White condescension is more harmful than white racism. But slightly off topic...

You've violated these same guidelines time and time again.

Where have I insulted anyone? Made inflammatory comments? Where have I said anything such as "your arguments are steaming, ignorant bullshit" or "your mama teach you to mind your business"? Wow. Can I say that, my personal opinion of course, that everything you say is steaming bullshit paradoxcycle? Would you like it? No - of course not, besides the fact that you hate me, it is against Bluelight guidelines.

I would PM this all to you, but I still have that private message you sent to me where you said you would delete any messages I sent to you without reading them at all.

As for going off topic, I hope the original poster does not mind. I try to keep it to a minimum, I really do. If the original poster has a problem with anything that I say that may, in any way, be construed as off topic, I will delete the comments or posts immediately. This is not just true in this thread, but in any thread where it may be construed I have gone off topic. I am not the only one guilty of it - but ParadoxCycle has eliminated my option of taking this discussion in private with him.

Snitching on someone that sells you a bad product is silly and dangerous to yourself, fuck that it's strictly caveat empor when you buy on the street. That said I crack up reading these post about "the code of streets" and how you never ever narc, bullshit. If it meant my freedom I'd sing from the treetops and I don't care who it would bring down and you know what? I'd get as much police protection as possible then dissapear. You guys are pretty funny thinking the world is black and white and those who do wrong always get what's coming to them, that rarely happens. Truth is the hardest mother-fucker is going to snitch if it means he's seeing 20 to life with no parole, show me your "code" then, please. Karma does not exist and it says a lot about your simple toughts that you have to believe it does.

I must say, great fucking post. Real. This is a real down to Earth post in my opinion, and people who think that there is some "code" on the street that everyone abides by, or that they "only deal with people who follow this code", are just fools.

The Game is a fucked up one - that can be agreed by all, and this post definately pointed that out.

that says a lot about your character. And truth is...that hardest mother-fucker isn't going to snitch.

Yea, like you can really judge him. Why don't you make the same statement after your stuck in a situation where it is either narc on some dealers you don't know, or even don't like, or go to jail for over twenty years. You wouldn't narc? I wouldn't think so, of course.

Now imagine the same situation, except you are the sole family provider - three kids and wifey.

yea for real honor is such a joke

Honor? Honor is making sure you keep your love where it belongs - your family and true friends. If it means throwing some - quite frankly - strangers in jail, then you are doing the right thing. If you narc on your close friends or family, or if you go to jail for a stranger - are both equally fucked up things. In both instances you are ruining those who truly deserve your love, and those who have truly earned it.

Wakeup bud, no witness protection program is gonna save your ass if you snitch the wrong person.

Wrong, but okay. You pretend that the Drug world is so big and bad and that a multi-billion dollar federal program can't do shit. This isn't Mexico or Columbia you know.

you can justify narcing however you want but the simple fact is you fuck with the wrong person and your dead its that simple

"fuck" doesn't just mean narcing. "Fuck" can also mean getting some shady shit done to you by a bad dealer, exactly the kind Psychubus is inquiring on whether one should narc on them or not.

The moment 'narcing' is even slightly deemed an acceptable method of removing unwanted drug dealers, no matter what possible reasons, it makes the whole affair 1000% more dangerous

Agreed.

Psychubus, I have posted the answer to your question but you haven't really responded directly to it, which I will guess is because of the traffic of this thread.

Do not narc. Narcing is counterproductive and inefficient, to the cause you are proposing. To truly accomplish the goal you are proposing, one must spread the word and ruin the businessman by taking his customers away. Spread the word.

Just like a railroad company is ruined if the media makes a big story about their trains crashing, so will a drug dealer when his customer base knows how sketchy he is.

 

[Psychubus]

Perhaps you are right, I-Love-Marijuana. Maybe it is not narcing that is the answer. Perhaps that IS too harsh and counter-productive considering the sentences out there.

But there must be a middle ground that can be reached. And that is what we are trying to find right now--everybody who has simply stated that narc'ing is not the answer has not provided a better alternative. I certainly don't think standing back and letting things the way they get handled now is any better. You don't think people spread the word when they get ripped off or get a bunk product? Things will always stay the same in this fashion.

 

[I-Love-Marijuana]

But there must be a middle ground that can be reached

No. Never compromise your values. It doesn't matter if your are talking about this issue or any issue. When you compromise with evil, only evil can win.

You don't think people spread the word when they get ripped off or get a bunk product? Things will always stay the same in this fashion.

They do, and it makes a big difference! You can actively do this as well. You are underestimating the value each customer has to a dealer.

Just think about it. Imagine your most reliable dealer. How much money have you given him? Think about what he buys his material in, if you can fathom that. How much profit has he made selling to you? If you can't figure that out then... just think about how much money you've given him.

Yea.... alot. Imagine if all that money never went to him. He'd be hurting.

 

[SmokeTrails]

wow how to say this without personal attacks...

your wrong... you should never snitch... its us vs them... if you snitch.. you help them and hurt us


there is no gray in this... its black and white

 

[Psychubus]

Good point.
Black history month is total bullshit. In a nearby high school, they actually made it a bonus question on the announcements asking who founded the Black Panther Party of America. What the fuck?!

I asked someone enthusiatic about black history month a question: When is white history month?

Black history month is total racist bullshit. Apparently if a white man or even an asian man, or hispanic man, builds a railroad, it doesn't mean shit. But if a black man builds a traffic light, its all bells and whistles. And that pisses me off too, alot of people who are accredited to certain things, such as the stoplight, is completely false just as a sanction as if to make the black people feel okay by making the white inferior.

As BLACK MAN Larry Elders pointed out - White condescension is more harmful than white racism. But slightly off topic...

To go off on a tangent... I don't think appreciating any kind of history is bullshit, but I kind of get your jist. But theoretically, every other month is technically white history month. It is far too common to see white people as the main star in a movie, to study extensively about the colonization of america or western europe, that to be a part of white America is almost taken for granted.

With that said, there needs to be more equality for native americans, hispanics, and asians before there is a white history month. Blacks have had their turn, as have whites.

 

[I-Love-Marijuana]

To go off on a tangent... I don't think appreciating any kind of history is bullshit, but I kind of get your jist. But theoretically, every other month is technically white history month. It is far too common to see white people as the main star in a movie, to study extensively about the colonization of america or western europe, that to be a part of white America is almost taken for granted.

It isn't appreciating history, it is selectively "appreciating" only black history.

Theoretically every other month is white history month? I have never heard anyone praise a bunch of people on the basis of their skin being white, or more specifically, nonblack.

It is only common in America, and only common because there are more white men in America. In Africa, it is the total opposite. Of course, racism is prevalent there and it is a little less tolerant (such as Mugabe/Zimbabwe taking all land owned by white people).

It would be more fitting to have an achievement month, or civil rights month, or suffrage month. But to have a month that only glorifies people for anything other than their intelligence and beliefs, is idiotic and condescending.

I faintly recall. Some black guy. He was assassinated. His wife recently died. Something about judging on the content of your character, and not the shade of your face? Your skin? Whatever, can't be too important. Black history month hurah!

With that said, there needs to be more equality for native americans, hispanics, and asians before there is a white history month. Blacks have had their turn, as have whites

When did whites have their turn? Blacks enslaved the whites first, and blacks sold other blacks to the Europeans first. But it doesn't really matter who did what when. Besides, it was the white man that freed the blacks from slavery. It was dominantly white cultures that ended slavery. Anyways, there shouldn't be any sort of white, or black, or asian history month.

A month on civil rights maybe, or suffrrage, or wartime valour, or technical innovation, or political efficacy. What difference is it where you came from or the color of your skin?

 

[I-Love-Marijuana]

Whoa this is totally off topic. The original poster has totally thrown the thread in a loop!

And black history month is related to narcing, because some drug dealers are black and narcing is bad, okay?

Let's keep this to PM from here on out, or start a thread in another forum.

 

[Psychubus]

It would be more fitting to have an achievement month, or civil rights month, or suffrage month. But to have a month that only glorifies people for anything other than their intelligence and beliefs, is idiotic and condescending.

Hey, I really like that idea, and lets just leave it at that. %)

 

[Psychubus]

No. Never compromise your values. It doesn't matter if your are talking about this issue or any issue. When you compromise with evil, only evil can win.

But you yourself admitted that there are those who are malignant out there in drug culture. Evil is not the DEA itself. Evil is not in drugs itself. Both sides are wrong when they claim this, for evil is what is behind actions.

 

[alanwatts]

"Snitches get Stitches and end up in Ditches"

Sort of a variation on the Bad Karma theme.

 

[axl blaze]

Lastly (a bit of a rant, sorry), dealers of all people shouldn't have inflated egos. They are salespeople and should treat their work like a business, and their customer's safety should be the number one priorits

yeah, but when you are the dealer and the person needs you more than you need the person - it is far too easy to have an inflated ego. here the person who wants the drugs is calling you non-stop to ask how long you are gonna be there, but you are just like "man, I will be there in 5 minutues." even if it's gonna take you 10. they are going to wait for you, because they need you more than you need them. this person's need of you more than their need of them if the cause for the dealer's inflated ego.

 

[zephyr]

Whoa this is totally off topic. The original poster has totally thrown the thread in a loop!

And black history month is related to narcing, because some drug dealers are black and narcing is bad, okay?

Let's keep this to PM from here on out, or start a thread in another forum.

He was responding to your off topic post CR, come on, just let it go.

Someone else brought up a good point in this thread, I cant remember who. What if you are a minor drug dealer and get arrested. The police would obviously lean on you to get at YOUR supplier, offer you a better deal and whatnot. What then? Save yourself major jail time but end up narcing on your dealer?