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An account of an ICE cold water extraction of actual ergot (claviceps purpurea) from wild barley fields, quite an amazing thread!
http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8998
Very powerful lucid open and closed eye visuals--author claims it was his most powerful psychedelic visual experience ever--the dose he took more powerful than mushrooms, MG or HBWR . He also noted the vasoconstriction was very apparent but not at all unpleasant...only mild nausea...there was little to no loss of mental/physical coordination.
Author did the ICE cold CWE of infected wild barley (with some wheat/rye mixed in it?) found in the pacific northwest under the mountain known as Tahoma. Please nobody try this--I can imagine this can be extremely dangerous if the extraction is done improperly. Author claims 1.75 grams of claviceps purpurea was ground up under low light conditions (starlight), soaked for 3.5 hours in ICE cold water in the fridge, filtered through a very thin paper filter, with the ending 6 oz hypothetically consumed.
What do you think of this? I still can't believe it--this is ground breaking...no one (until now?) has been brave or foolish enough to attempt this in modern times. The good alkaloids are cold water soluble but the bad toxic alkaloids are non-polar and not soluble in cold water...but still nobody should ever try this...this could be very poisonous even deadly if extracted improperly.
However, in the book "The Road to Eleusis" there is known a grass called Paspalum distichum L. that grows all over the Mediterranean region--and is often infected with Claviceps paspali, it has only the good alkaloids and none of the bad. Sleepy grass is another possibility.
Burning_Copal who started the thread believes it to now be an infected wild form of barley, or wheat with some wild rye mixed in it as well...these are grain seeds that can sprout and grow...then it is just a matter of it getting infected. What a coincidence...no rye was grown by the ancient Greeks...but wheat and barley did and Claviceps purpurea flourishes on both.
The Mystery of Eleusis that went on for over 2,000 years near Athens talked about in the books "The Road to Eleusis" by Hofmann, Ruck, Wasson..."Sacred Mushrooms of the goddess" by Ruck, "The Elixir" by Shelley, "Pharmacotheon" by Ott, etc...solved? The famous Rarian plain was adjacent to Eleusis.
I don't see any reason that a proper hypothetical extraction of MG wouldn't give you the same results at a good dosage...so no reason to mess around with ergot..I'll have to check into this some more by comparing the alkaloid content of the two. This is very interesting.
However, Burning_Copal said "the ergot produced effects snakevines had never approached for the feline, and he had some considerable experience with them." He also noted that the CWE of ergot lacked the drunken state common with snakevine--he found this entirely different.
This is perhaps the ONLY account I've ever read besides the one below.
From the out of print book "Lysergic", (2005) author K. A. Cole describes her hypothetical Psychedelic Experience with "Ergot Wine" prepared by an LSD chemist (remember Skinner & Pickard ?):
An account of an ICE cold water extraction of actual ergot (claviceps purpurea) from wild barley fields, quite an amazing thread!
http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8998
Very powerful lucid open and closed eye visuals--author claims it was his most powerful psychedelic visual experience ever--the dose he took more powerful than mushrooms, MG or HBWR . He also noted the vasoconstriction was very apparent but not at all unpleasant...only mild nausea...there was little to no loss of mental/physical coordination.
Author did the ICE cold CWE of infected wild barley (with some wheat/rye mixed in it?) found in the pacific northwest under the mountain known as Tahoma. Please nobody try this--I can imagine this can be extremely dangerous if the extraction is done improperly. Author claims 1.75 grams of claviceps purpurea was ground up under low light conditions (starlight), soaked for 3.5 hours in ICE cold water in the fridge, filtered through a very thin paper filter, with the ending 6 oz hypothetically consumed.
What do you think of this? I still can't believe it--this is ground breaking...no one (until now?) has been brave or foolish enough to attempt this in modern times. The good alkaloids are cold water soluble but the bad toxic alkaloids are non-polar and not soluble in cold water...but still nobody should ever try this...this could be very poisonous even deadly if extracted improperly.
However, in the book "The Road to Eleusis" there is known a grass called Paspalum distichum L. that grows all over the Mediterranean region--and is often infected with Claviceps paspali, it has only the good alkaloids and none of the bad. Sleepy grass is another possibility.
Burning_Copal who started the thread believes it to now be an infected wild form of barley, or wheat with some wild rye mixed in it as well...these are grain seeds that can sprout and grow...then it is just a matter of it getting infected. What a coincidence...no rye was grown by the ancient Greeks...but wheat and barley did and Claviceps purpurea flourishes on both.
The Mystery of Eleusis that went on for over 2,000 years near Athens talked about in the books "The Road to Eleusis" by Hofmann, Ruck, Wasson..."Sacred Mushrooms of the goddess" by Ruck, "The Elixir" by Shelley, "Pharmacotheon" by Ott, etc...solved? The famous Rarian plain was adjacent to Eleusis.
I don't see any reason that a proper hypothetical extraction of MG wouldn't give you the same results at a good dosage...so no reason to mess around with ergot..I'll have to check into this some more by comparing the alkaloid content of the two. This is very interesting.
However, Burning_Copal said "the ergot produced effects snakevines had never approached for the feline, and he had some considerable experience with them." He also noted that the CWE of ergot lacked the drunken state common with snakevine--he found this entirely different.
This is perhaps the ONLY account I've ever read besides the one below.
From the out of print book "Lysergic", (2005) author K. A. Cole describes her hypothetical Psychedelic Experience with "Ergot Wine" prepared by an LSD chemist (remember Skinner & Pickard ?):
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