Society and Morals Concerning Psychoactives

[solistus]

Oh good. I don't have to worry about going too far with the hostility - Teo was kind enough to pre-empt it. Fuck you too, buddy. I should be on pretty late tonight, look forward to reading your heartfelt apology and pledge to reform, eventual promise to leave and then inevitable return to get another fill of the pathological enjoyment you seem to get in being stubbornly ignorant. Just like old times. BTW, I like how you lead by accusing me of not reading your whole post, then when I actually ask a question about your post you ignore it and tell me to fuck off. Taking the high road as usual, I see.

HighonLife: you're 100% correct and far more patient (or just less familiar with Teo) than I am for putting it so gently.

Edit: I have a rule of my own: if you start posting stupid shit online on multiple web communities like Teo before each one kicks you out in the end, you need to stop doing drugs and seek professional help. This kind of arrogant idiocy is, to paraphrase, "unacceptable."

 

[Obelus]

please keep indoctrination away from my intoxication

the bits I agree with should be common sense. I don't understand why you believe you should be entitled to throw some of those ideas out... the children away from EVERYTHING is preposterous. The only real good that came from this post were the responses and critiques. Its nice to challenge people to think for themselves, but an ideal well thought debate/conversation is impossible to achieve with this approach.

True, some people approach usage with an unhealthy or detrimental mind state; which this list attempts to diagnose and correct. However, the people who would read, contemplate, and benefit from a list like this are probably set on their own and wouldn't have to

 

[swilow]

He will never ever stick to anything that he claims he will. No matter what he says, he will revert back to being agressive and/or arrogant. That is why the only web forum that he is allowed on (besides his own I guess), he is on a very restricted access.

Teo, what is your aim here? Why do you do what you do?

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

Your right. I'll never stop acting this way. Get over it.

That is why the only web forum that he is allowed on

I'm on all these sites...

shaman-australis forum/
cacti.freeforums.forum
.salviasource.org/forum
.australianethnobotany.forum
tribe.netf orum

I'm a mod at Salvia Source!

Why do you do what you do?

to promote the ideas of Teotzlcoatl

for example mothers using while pregnant, the 17n under rule, being intoxicated in public, only using at night, n maybe a few others

these are suggestions... not laws.

It's been proven some drugs are bad for babies in their mother's stomach.

Kids (people under 17) should not use intoxicants. PERIOD.

being intoxicated in the day... w/e

 

[bleh123]

solistus, major props on that post

 

[solistus]

I'm on all these sites...

http://www.cacti.freeforums.org/
http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?act=idx
http://www.salviasource.org/forum/
http://www.australianethnobotany.com/
www.tribe.net

I'm a mod at Salvia Source!

You're so popular you don't even have to learn basic English like the difference between your and you're! Can I have an ottograff?

to promote the ideas of Teotzlcoatl

In other words, narcissism. We've diagnosed this one pretty well already, methinks. If by 'promote' you mean make anyone else more likely to agree with or take seriously, you're being very counter-productive. I should apologise in advance to any other 'keep it natural' non-scientifically-minded hippies I interact with in the future because the degree to which I dislike you has poisoned my view of every idea I associate with you. It'll be hard for me to learn what I normally would from such people now, because I have seen the absolute worst example of their side of the argument in you. If you actually care about any of the things you *do* take seriously, stop this shit. If the correct reading of that answer is, as I suspect, to omit the words "the ideas of" entirely, then keep up the self-destructive narcissism.

these are suggestions... not laws.

Thank god for that. By the way, people who aren't assholes don't use terms like "unacceptable" or tell people what personal decisions to make in such arrogant and forceful language nearly so often with their "suggestions."

It's been proven some drugs are bad for babies in their mother's stomach.

Nobody is arguing with you that SOME drugs shouldn't be used. You went well beyond that. Again, since you are so convinced you are right about everything, you don't even seem aware of how offensive it is to some of us for you to make such heavy-handed proclamations about how women who are pregnant and make any choices you disagree with about their own bodies are somehow bad or immoral. As usual, on a rare instance where you stumble upon a good point, you manage to add a bunch of stupid nonsense to it and lose any logical connection between the kernel of truth you are presumably trying to impart and the stupid shit you say and we take issue with. You said mothers who consume anything but whatever meets *your* personal standards for good, wholesome food and drink, or consume any of the many drugs that do NOT cause any harm to the fetus and may help with the physical symptoms of pregnancy, have failed to live up to some social and/or moral duty that you, the wise and all-knowing Teotzlcoatl, have declared - that was the whole point of your initial list, to define "rules" for moral behavior. In my mind, that is incredibly fucked up, pretty close to openly advocating discrimination or violence in terms of being ethically repulsive to me. I didn't think you were advocating a law - the very "suggestion" of "hey, I think you're being immoral and failing society by making your own choices about your body that don't harm others" is what I find offensive.

Kids (people under 17) should not use intoxicants. PERIOD.

Well, now I'm convinced. You not only said period, you did it in CAPS (CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL AMIRITE GUYS). That's much better than providing anything resembling a coherent justification for your ridiculous claims.

being intoxicated in the day... w/e

Glad to see even you admit that you throw random nonsensical bullshit in there just to proverbially hear yourself speak a little longer.

 

[Roger&Me]

Thou shalt kill any dogmatic bullshit surrounding psychedelics,

with rocks.

-God

 

[solistus]

Nobody throws another stone until I tell you to!

Even if they do say Jehova- aghh!

 

[HighonLife]

Oh good. I don't have to worry about going too far with the hostility - Teo was kind enough to pre-empt it. Fuck you too, buddy. I should be on pretty late tonight, look forward to reading your heartfelt apology and pledge to reform, eventual promise to leave and then inevitable return to get another fill of the pathological enjoyment you seem to get in being stubbornly ignorant. Just like old times. BTW, I like how you lead by accusing me of not reading your whole post, then when I actually ask a question about your post you ignore it and tell me to fuck off. Taking the high road as usual, I see.

HighonLife: you're 100% correct and far more patient (or just less familiar with Teo) than I am for putting it so gently.Edit: I have a rule of my own: if you start posting stupid shit online on multiple web communities like Teo before each one kicks you out in the end, you need to stop doing drugs and seek professional help. This kind of arrogant idiocy is, to paraphrase, "unacceptable."

actually, i was trying to be nice cuz apparently he knows a good deal about growing cacti and i have a question in the mega thread about cloning and when i saw that his temporary ban had been lifted i thought maybe if he goes n spamms the mega thread again then he might see my question n help me out

Teotzlcoatl: please.......

looks like we got our selves a lil Tx party (hoedown?) goin on in this thread.

 

[swilow]

Why do you do what you do?

to promote the ideas of Teotzlcoatl

Answer it properly man. Why do you play the way you do? What is driving you?

If its:
to promote the ideas of Teotzlcoatl-

then stop doing it here, because no-one want you to do so, because you are only causing unrest, and because you have a very narrow field of knowledge that has little to do wth harm reduction.

I'd like to get to know you better, but you appear afraid of revealng anything about yourself.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

hey guess what bud? Im fucking 16, fucked up on temazepam+zolpidem now, dont make me get soem speed out and kick your motherfucking hippie ass. Shut the fuck up. I will snort 40mgs of speed and kick the compeltelt shit eoput of pyurtryou
and i am not fuckign aw kid either. are you saying i have the intelligence of a fucking 6 year old by calling me a kid, fucking saying i am not responsible for my own decisions, and saying i am just as irresponsible as a fucking 2 year old..and saying magically at age 17 youre free to fucking eat peyote. Restricting fucking deit. fuck you i love coca cola. stop fucking gneralyiezi g people and lok at yourfucking self.dsfads.f Shut the fuck up, motherfucker, i am no kid, and you will not tell me what i can and cannot fucking ingest in my own spare time. I happen to love ampehtamine ,so you will leave me the fuck alone about it. Dont make me get spun as fuck and kick the shit out of your fucking fat, 40 year old hippie ass. You talk about freedom but restrict the freedom of others. Freedom is in of it self slavery, but this mofo is straight enslaving people. What happens if you do something thats unacceptable hm? FUck you man, stay the fuck wawy from me or theered be an asskciking . more like a hayppie kickin but you knowe what i mean. get your shit steraihgt get off your high horse and read a fucking book not some nautralas bullshit the truth is syunthetriocs. fuck man. in short.sdf, i can choose to put whatever i watn in me (less than 3 months till i turn 17) and i will kick youer fucking ass, while high on speed to add insult to injury. just fucking drink bleach, you piece of shit, or get the fuck off your FUCKING hiarshgj horse

 

[taita]

^Ohh dear ! I have seen Teotzlcoatl on these other boards an im wondering why the links are allowed to stand? Im sure some of those sites wouldnt liked to be linked here to B/l Take the stance of ADD and not allow those types of links

 

[Busty St Clare]

Excluding entheogens. Basically... don't start drinking or smoking pot at noon. I think that is reasonable.



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Bollocks. That excludes coming home and sparking up and brewing a tea as the day dawns.

Cricket starts at 10.30am for a reason. Drinking a beer as the first ball is bowled is a God given right of any purist.

Better rule would be going to bed if you have been up for 24 hours. Nothing good comes to the brain if you fiend past a day.

 

[Raw Evil]

@solistus: I think you're going too far calling him a narcissist. Perhaps you should stop after the fourth letter.

Why? Think about it:

• He knows more than the average person about drugs, but not enough for someone as experienced as he is trying to look
• He lists a bunch of shit and is immediately corrected (fishing for information)
• He can't think of a good reason to be posting all that shit - the best reason he can think of for "no drugs when trying to conceive" was an episode of Cheers!
• He still maintains that daily use is "addiction"

Just think about it...

 

[solistus]

I don't think he would so pridefully get himself banned in petty flame wars on major drug forums if he were a narc. You may be right, but I'm thinking a hefty dose of good old fashioned narcissism plus plenty of other neuroses to boot, combined with some psychedelic use that has clearly taught him nothing and perhaps done some harm to his fragile psyche, are the best explanation for our dear friend Teo's special brand of unreasoning.

 

[ikkyu]

He reminds me of a missionary, just showing up out of nowhere and trying to convert PD to the right way of doing things. It's ironic since it's that sort of attitude that contributed most to the near-destruction of the shamanic traditions he seems to hold in such high regard.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

Lol



Does anybody have anything worth adding?

I'm aware most of you a drug eating heathens but if anybody would like to share any serious views of what they think the type of morality surrounding psychoactive should be then please post here.

I suppose y'all disagree with my idea that it's wrong to give somebody a drug without them knowing it as well?

Come on! These are my opinions and I'm asking to hear yours... what's the big deal?

fucking saying i am not responsible for my own decisions

your not. your a kid. all cultures in every part of the world recognize the difference between children and adults. now what age that happens to be is up for debate...

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

i can't wait to post my entire "temple" thread... y'all will shit!

actually, i was trying to be nice cuz apparently he knows a good deal about growing cacti and i have a question in the mega thread about cloning and when i saw that his temporary ban had been lifted i thought maybe if he goes n spamms the mega thread again then he might see my question n help me out

sorry buddy, i didnt notice it

PM me if need be

 

[Delsyd]

99% on this forum will agree that dosing someone without their permission is immoral and should not be done.
While you were taking your 1 week "vacation" there was actually a small discussion on the topic.

And you have been warned several times about the "drug eating heathens" type comments. Thats another infraction for you.

Seriously Teo. If you want to contribute to this forum you will need to cut out the hostility. There is no room for it here.

Ive told you before if you keep up up the attitude you will reach a permanent ban status.
You seem like you want to contribute here, so for the millionth time play nice or LEAVE.

why are you trying to wait to get enough infractions to be perma banned?

are you trolling this forum purposely and intentionally.

if so admit it and stop hiding behind your little facade, if not start acting like a respectful memeber of this community.

and i see this thread going nowhere but up in flames so im closing it.

 

[atara]

Society and Ethics Concerning Psychoactives-

Blatant public intoxication is unacceptable.
Driving, operating machinery or performing other possibly dangerous acts while intoxicated is unacceptable.
Cultivate, propagate and disseminate as many entheogenic ethnobotanicals as possible!
The period of gestation for a human baby is one of the most important times in a mother and child’s life. No psychoactive, entheogens or drugs of any sort should be taken at this time, and the mother should only consume whole food and drink.
Children under 17 shall not ingest psychoactives of any form. Including sugar, caffeine and any and all psychoactives, drugs, chemicals, substances and/or compounds, they shall only eat wholesome food and nothing but pure water .
Dosing another human with a drug, chemical or psychoactive without their knowledge and consent is considered a form of assault and is completely unacceptable.
All forms of habitual use of ANY drug is considered addiction and damaging to the user, no psychoactive should ever be used daily.
Women should NEVER use ANY substances when pregnant and/or lactating or breast feeding, they shall eat only wholesome organic food and drink. Couples (both the male and the female) should not use any substances while trying to conceive a child.
Habitual use of ANY substance is considered negative and unhealthy, all psychoactives should be used in moderation. Daily use of any drug is unacceptable.
Do not ingest intoxicating substances during the daytime, only become inebriated at night. Stimulants are acceptable to use in the morning and during daylight hours, but other forms of psychoactives are not; however, this excludes entheogens, which are to used infrequently, whenever the time is right.
Do NOT ingest multiple psychoactives at once. Do not mix drugs, this can cause dangerous interactions.

This list is just as bad as all the others.

We cannot reasonably hope to enumerate all of the possible situations in which people can use psychoactive chemicals, and so any list of this manner in an attempt to substitute for our own direct consideration of the situation does us a disservice. When we make a judgment on a situation, in general we draw on all of our knowledge of the circumstances and the effects they may have in order to determine whether the people involved are behaving responsibly, and it is this attention to detail that allows us to determine how to act wisely.

As such I suggest abandoning the project.

Hyakujõ's emancipation of the fox comes to mind.

When Hyakujõ Oshõ delivered a certain series of sermons, an old man always followed the monks to the main hall and listened to him.
When the monks left the hall, the old man would also leave.
One day, however, he remained behind, and Hyakujõ asked him, "Who are you, standing here before me?"
The old man replied.
"I am not a human being.
In the old days of Kashyapa Buddha, I was a head monk, living here on this mountain.
One day a student asked me, 'Does a man of enlightenment fall under the yoke of causation or not?'
I answered, 'No, he does not.'
Since then I have been doomed to undergo five hundred rebirths as a fox.
I beg you now to give the turning word to release me from my life as a fox.
Tell me, does a man of enlightenment fall under the yoke of causation or not?"
Hyakujõ answered, "He does not ignore causation."
No sooner had the old man heard these words than he was enlightened.
Making his bows, he said, "I am emancipated from my life as a fox. I shall remain on this mountain.
I have a favor to ask of you: would you please bury my body as that of a dead monk."

Hyakujõ had the director of the monks strike with the gavel and inform everyone that after the midday meal there would be a funeral service for a dead monk.
The monks wondered at this, saying, "Everyone is in good health; nobody is in the sick ward. What does this mean?"
After the meal Hyakujõ led the monks to the foot of a rock on the far side of the mountain and with his staff poked out the dead body of a fox and performed the ceremony of cremation.
That evening he ascended the rostrum and told the monks the whole story.
Õbaku thereupon asked him, "The old man gave the wrong answer and was doomed to be a fox for five hundred rebirths. Now, suppose he had given the right answer, what would have happened then?"
Hyakujõ said, "You come here to me, and I will tell you."
Õbaku went up to Hyakujõ and boxed his ears.
Hyakujõ clapped his hands with a laugh and exclaimed, "I was thinking that the barbarian had a red beard, but now I see before me the red-bearded barbarian himself."

So do not ignore causation!

More to the point, though: this thread is not specific to psychedelics, and should probably go in Basic Drug Discussion, or Drug Culture.