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So who likes benzos? El Benzo Threado Spectacularrrr 2nd Edition

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yeah wasnt till the weed when my anxiety started (pot used to really fuck me up... it doesnt do alot these days). than alcohol made it worse... got hooked on cigs/coffee... was entered into a world where i wasnt right unless i felt a little under the influence of something.
nowadays im tryin ADs/ antipyschotics.. & crave benzo/opiates.
 
Same with me, never had an issue with anxiety before that first toke of mary jane at the tender age of 14. Almost mid 30's now and still struggling with anxiety. Any youngsters take note, if I had my time over again I wouldnt have touched weed at such a young age...

What is about the age 14 and starting to smoke pot? It almost seems like a rite of passage for a lot of aussie kids

I a part of my current anxiety is from smoking and smoking heavily from 14, although i don't think i would even been here if it wasn't for my encounter with weed at such a tender age

I was depressed and regulary considered suicide before i smoked weed, marajuana made me discover myself (sounds cliche i know) but gave me a reason to keep on living.

I thought i had flushed out all my pre smoking pot issues, it's a shame that drug use just masks a problem instead of fixes it , because at age 29, facing a life of at least not constant drug use, my depression has come back to the same point as a teenager

off to the psychologist for me!
 
For sure... ingorance when it comes to anxiety can be a real shitter, and can make issues worse. but hey, if she sticks with you through the thick and thin of anxiety, then she must love you alot. if it were not for my fiancee, i probably would not be alive today!

A good book I found for partners who have to deal with their partners anxiety/depression is called Living With a Black Dog. It is a really good and simple way of getting across to your partner exactly what you are going through, and ways for them to help you, without being ignorant or patronising towards your situation. And it also shows them way to not let your problems negatively affect their lives, which is what generally happens in relationships. This book helped me and my partner to no end, and now she really has more of a grasp of my problem, and is able to better help me through it when it gets really bad!

I am a lucky guy i know that, i have a girlferiend who loves me greatly and is very supportive, she just has her own of viewing things but it comes from the right place.

Justifying using mild opiates over benzos to me seems perfectly logical, maybe i am the fucked up one

But hey it could be worse, i could be doing this alone and if i don't make some comprimises i will be doing it alone!

I am going to check that book, thanks for the tip!
 
I don't know, I really didn't delve into drug use until I was 18 and I still have anxiety problems...

Even at age 18 your brain isn't fully developed. But everyone is affected differently of course; for some drug use may affect their mental health and for others it's no problem at all.
 
^I, except I'd tweak slightly to say that drug use effects everyone's mental health, but it is not as problematic for some...
 
I completely agree with this. I started smoking pot when I was 14 and only lasted a year with it before it made me have panic attacks every time I smoked it, even in tiny amounts. I was smoking a pack a day by 15 and using codeine, MDMA, MDA, LSD, morphine, speed and anything else I could get my hands on around that time as well. Looking back I can see how my heavy use really put my depression and anxiety into overdrive, and I suffered from that until just last year when it got dramatically worse then suddenly I made a lot of changes.

Now I'm completely free of anxiety and depression and have never been happier or more driven in my life (apart from when I was manic). :)

Wow that's awesome. What changes did you make?
 
^ Well firstly the big thing that precipitated everything was the suicide of my best friend. He was blood to me, and just a month before I had been in hospital recovering from an attempt of my own. Seeing how everyone was affected by his death (myself included), the plans for the future we had together, knowing that he was never going to do all the things I had known he was going to do... it fucked me up really bad.

I decided that I didn't want to die anymore. And I didn't want to keep up the self-destructive behavior that was stopping me from getting better. So I cut out all drug use (excepting nicotine and caffeine) for a start; I knew I had to clear out my mind. Once I was clean and out of mild to moderate opioid WD, I started seeing my psychologist regularly. Stopped taking antipsychotics though and seeing the psychiatrists because they weren't helping at all.

After a few sessions with the psychologist where we talked about my grief and how I wanted to become functional again, we decided that I was ready to challenge my depression and anxiety head on. I felt driven like I hadn't ever before, and so slowly I started to put myself in social situations that would normally have caused me panic attacks. I started talking to random strangers, playing music live in front of an audience, applied to lots of jobs and started learning how to take care of myself and eat properly.

Also as part of the counselling, I started learning ways to deal with stress in a healthy way rather then drowning it out with drugs. I started channeling my frustration into improving my intelligence; studying chemistry and pharmacology in my free time, really talking to my girlfriend about issues, and if I really get stressed then I might use some codeine to relax for a night and then think about the problem and how I will face it.

I also thought a lot about what direction I wanted to take my life in, and after trying out something finally decided on what should have been clear years ago. I'm working full time in the industry I want to get into, and next year am going to university so that I will become a professional. Having a job has helped so much, with the depression and anxiety and problematic drug use. Not to mention being in love with such an amazing, supportive woman who I truly care about and who truly cares about me. :)

So that's it basically; I have been on a few different types of meds before (SSRIs, benzodiazepines and antipsychotics). I got little help from them, though I believe they can really help some people and I have seen this myself. Instead I got better by facing one of the worst tragedies of my life and deciding that I could either just keep spiraling downwards or I could turn myself into who I actually wanted to be.
 
^ Well firstly the big thing that precipitated everything was the suicide of my best friend. He was blood to me, and just a month before I had been in hospital recovering from an attempt of my own. Seeing how everyone was affected by his death (myself included), the plans for the future we had together, knowing that he was never going to do all the things I had known he was going to do... it fucked me up really bad.

I think a recent one here might have the same effect on a few people. Myself definitely included
 
^ Indeed. Suicide is a terrible, painful tragedy for everyone involved. Especially for the family of the one who has passed; that was another driving factor for me. I wanted to be there for them and do everything I could. I took on my friend's little brother as my own, and I couldn't have done that if I just self-destructed like I usually did.
 
^ Well firstly the big thing that precipitated everything was the suicide of my best friend. He was blood to me, and just a month before I had been in hospital recovering from an attempt of my own. Seeing how everyone was affected by his death (myself included), the plans for the future we had together, knowing that he was never going to do all the things I had known he was going to do... it fucked me up really bad.

I decided that I didn't want to die anymore. And I didn't want to keep up the self-destructive behavior that was stopping me from getting better. So I cut out all drug use (excepting nicotine and caffeine) for a start; I knew I had to clear out my mind. Once I was clean and out of mild to moderate opioid WD, I started seeing my psychologist regularly. Stopped taking antipsychotics though and seeing the psychiatrists because they weren't helping at all.

After a few sessions with the psychologist where we talked about my grief and how I wanted to become functional again, we decided that I was ready to challenge my depression and anxiety head on. I felt driven like I hadn't ever before, and so slowly I started to put myself in social situations that would normally have caused me panic attacks. I started talking to random strangers, playing music live in front of an audience, applied to lots of jobs and started learning how to take care of myself and eat properly.

Also as part of the counselling, I started learning ways to deal with stress in a healthy way rather then drowning it out with drugs. I started channeling my frustration into improving my intelligence; studying chemistry and pharmacology in my free time, really talking to my girlfriend about issues, and if I really get stressed then I might use some codeine to relax for a night and then think about the problem and how I will face it.

I also thought a lot about what direction I wanted to take my life in, and after trying out something finally decided on what should have been clear years ago. I'm working full time in the industry I want to get into, and next year am going to university so that I will become a professional. Having a job has helped so much, with the depression and anxiety and problematic drug use. Not to mention being in love with such an amazing, supportive woman who I truly care about and who truly cares about me. :)

So that's it basically; I have been on a few different types of meds before (SSRIs, benzodiazepines and antipsychotics). I got little help from them, though I believe they can really help some people and I have seen this myself. Instead I got better by facing one of the worst tragedies of my life and deciding that I could either just keep spiraling downwards or I could turn myself into who I actually wanted to be.

Thats a really inspirational story:)

I'm happy that you have used a terrible situation to give you strength to live a rich and fulfilling life.

Just to back up what you say and what others have posted, talk to others about your anxiety/depression or whatever it is you suffer from. Whether it be a close friend, family member or a partner. I think for me, the thing that helped the most, was having an amazing girlfriend who was always patient with me, and would do her best to make me feel better or see reason. Sometimes I don't think I would be here if it was not for her.
 
two questions: does anyone know if drinking excessive amounts of alcohol regularly while taking valium affect your tolerance? and does anyone know how to prevent valium from suppressing rem sleep? it doesn't always happen, it was mainly a problem when i was taking klonopin but now valium isn't affective for sleeping for me at all anymore unless i drink or smoke weed. it's still affective for my tremors however
 
two questions: does anyone know if drinking excessive amounts of alcohol regularly while taking valium affect your tolerance? and does anyone know how to prevent valium from suppressing rem sleep? it doesn't always happen, it was mainly a problem when i was taking klonopin but now valium isn't affective for sleeping for me at all anymore unless i drink or smoke weed. it's still affective for my tremors however

i think its in the nature of all benzos, and z drugs to inhibit REM sleep. there probably isn't anything you can do about it. I too found that valium was ok at getting me to sleep but then I would wake up and need to take more. which is no good for tolerance. The inhibition of REM sleep is probably why when you take these drugs to sleep you don't feel like your ever properly rested like you do when sleeping naturally.

Best drug for sleeping for me was zopiclone, followed by stilnox. both are far better for sleep, but obviously of no use for anxiety.

As for the alcohol, no idea about it affecting tolerance. I wouldn't go drinking on benzos regularly though. its the perfect recipe for blackouts and dumb behaviour.
 
^You said it psytaco.

The important distinguishment to make with benzo's and sleep is the ease of falling to sleep compared to the overall repleneshing effects of the sleep ( generally assosciated with REM ).

Strong indica cannabis has so far been the only drug that consistantly sends me to sleep at an appropriate time and allows me to have my much needed REM. The trick is to stop smoking an hour or so before bedtime to avoid the dreaded "bake-over".
 
temazepam doesnt affect REM sleep. is there any other.
leading me to beleive it would be good to use xanax during the day & temazepam at night if u were to use benzos daily
 
As for the alcohol, no idea about it affecting tolerance. I wouldn't go drinking on benzos regularly though. its the perfect recipe for blackouts and dumb behaviour.

i did it basically everyday for months and didn't have too many problems, but i mean most of the time i was just doing it by myself

it definitely made me act out more at parties and whatnot though, not too many full on blackouts though, only had a full blackout after about five klonopin, 20mg of oxy and a six pack

trying to quit drinking now though

saw my doctor today and got bumped up to 15mg valium per day but i won't go higher than that

he wants to put me on amitriptyline for insomnia which i've taken before and didn't find to be very effective and if my tolerance to valium increases get switched to primadone for tremors

like sameria said, strong indica is best for insomnia no doubt, pity i can only get shitty sativa most of the time
 
Question: is it possible to have some sort of innate neuro-chemical make-up that prevents one from getting high on benzodiazepines?

I went to South-East Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, India) and brought lots of benzos, mainly valium (also xanax & temazepam), , but none of them got me high, all they did was make me sleep far to much and be extremely groggy & drowsy.

The same has happened when I used valium in Australia, I don't get any sort of "high" from it? Usually I am hypersensitive to psycho-actives of all kind, but not in this case.

Keep in mind also that other pharmaceuticals I purchased OTC in Asia, like Tramadol, and opiate-based pills (dihydrocodeine, hydromorphone, etc), got me VERY very high, so I doubt it is an issue of bad quality...
 
Question: is it possible to have some sort of innate neuro-chemical make-up that prevents one from getting high on benzodiazepines?

I went to South-East Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, India) and brought lots of benzos, mainly valium (also xanax & temazepam), , but none of them got me high, all they did was make me sleep far to much and be extremely groggy & drowsy.

The same has happened when I used valium in Australia, I don't get any sort of "high" from it? Usually I am hypersensitive to psycho-actives of all kind, but not in this case.

Keep in mind also that other pharmaceuticals I purchased OTC in Asia, like Tramadol, and opiate-based pills (dihydrocodeine, hydromorphone, etc), got me VERY very high, so I doubt it is an issue of bad quality...

I know people like this, every drug will have subsets of people who react differently. I like benzos, but in my opinion you're not missing something big - not like being immune to the effects of mdma or lsd :)
 
I find you don't really get 'high' off them, more just spaced out, no anxiety, decreased thinking, physically relaxing, and mess with your coordination and memory.
 
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