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small article on MDMA being safe...

If only people could think outside the box about things. 'This leading professor, who knows his stuff way more than any of us, actually suggests moderated, controlled pure MDMA use is safe but the newspaper tells me otherwise so he must be wrong!' Dumb cunts.

Then you got the 'If you need to take drugs to have a good time then you're a boring person' numbnuts who probably drink and smoke on the regular.

Also the discussion about the pure MDMA is stupid, while the rocks sold in the UK may have slight impuritites, they're not harmful and the stuffs potent so you can definitely get pure, safe MDMA, at least in the UK. A pill with just MDMA is pure, regardless of whether it was synthesised 100% clean to pharmaceutical standards to what is on the streets. I'm sure the professors a referring to unaldalterated MDMA without the shitty PMMA etc.

Yeah i agree constant use is not safe, but the article doesn't say that. Just like most things - good in moderation.
 
^ Well in truth 100% pure MDMA is going to be better for you than 80% with 20% impurities... It won't make a huge difference, but who knows what kind of shitty unreacted chemicals could be in there?



This article may SAY that MDMA is safe, but I could post many, MANY actual studies that say it is not.
 
You made that "potent neurotoxin" comment before, in another thread, and I posted several excerpts from your OWN SOURCES that indicated otherwise. You never responded. If you do, this time, please avoid the "when used improperly" cop-out, because it is a red herring. The doctor from the article did indicate that he meant "when used properly, by responsible adults". Outside of those conditions, even tylenol and ibuprofen can be deadly, so that situation isn't really relevant to the discussion of MDMA's safety.
 
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You made that "potent neurotoxin" comment before, in another thread, and I posted several excerpts from your OWN SOURCES that indicated otherwise. You never responded. If you do, this time, please avoid the "when used improperly" cop-out, because it is a red herring. The doctor from the article did indicate that he meant "when used properly, by responsible adults". Outside of those conditions, even tylenol and ibuprofen can be deadly, so that situation isn't really relevant to the discussion of MDMA's safety.
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Who actually uses MDMA "properly" though? Safe MDxx users are of course the minority...


Sure, they do say that pure MDxx when used responsibly is safe, and I agree with it. But when you're doing MDMA every week in massive doses, saying it's not a neurotoxin is complete bull shit...


MDMA DOES cause damage, now if you use it safely you can minimize that damage to almost nothing, but the fact of the matter is that people simply don't do that. They take too much too often, and then they're going to read this article, and think it's safe for them. It's what happened to me, and many others out there.


I want to make sure that anyone who knows the negative effects only will have the chance to learn about the benefits, and vice versa.
 
Great article, we got it in the news here as well. It's a start in the right direction. We all know the MDMA is made much more dangerous because it is mixed with who knows what substances. It would be great if we were able to get MDMA like we are able to get alcohol. If MDMA was made properly then we would have much less worries. Of course, it will still have its dangers, but just like alcohol and tobacco have their dangers (in a way).
 
Education isn't going to help those who refuse to be educated (like the people you mentioned who will only read the headline of this article and think it means all MDMA use is safe). I don't think the intent of articles like these is to advertise to USERS that the drug is is safe enough to use rampantly. The intent is to advertise to lawmakers and law enforcers that the drug is safe enough to leave the users the hell alone. Arguing against that claim is very counter-productive for us.

Used improperly, deadly dihydrogen monoxide can kill with JUST ONE DOSE. Who cares? Educate those who will listen and let them use it properly.
 
A lot of people do simply refuse to learn... they make me sad :(


Many people are willing to learn , they just won't take the time out of their day to do it themselves though. That's why it is important for people who have the information to try and get it to as many people as possible, and to do that in any way possible. These people probably hear all the time how safe MDMA is and how all their friends do it every week with no problems, how often do you think they hear about the negative effects though?



Personally, I do everything in my power to inform people of both sides of the story... not just the side that could get them hurt.
 
Folley said:
A lot of people do simply refuse to learn... they make me sad :(


Many people are willing to learn , they just won't take the time out of their day to do it themselves though. That's why it is important for people who have the information to try and get it to as many people as possible, and to do that in any way possible. These people probably hear all the time how safe MDMA is and how all their friends do it every week with no problems, how often do you think they hear about the negative effects though?

Personally, I do everything in my power to inform people of both sides of the story... not just the side that could get them hurt.
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no you are right.. i agree with you on this.. we dont want people thinking "oh its safe now so goodbye moderation...." personally i think the ideal situation would be for the DEA to schedule MDMA at the same level as adderall... e.g you make it available but you still have control over who and how much... and adderall is a pretty good example of a drug that is certainly abused by many but also used properly by many others and rarely ever leads to fatalities...

and of course comparing MDMA to things like tylenol or water really is not a good comparison. a better one would be to compare it to alcohol... alcohol is alos a neurotoxin... you can use it a little bit and be just fine but too much in one night or using it every day starts to lead to health issues and impairment... as with alcohol i think that most people would find a point of moderation...
 
I believe that Mdma is safe when used responsibly.

By that i mean no more often than 4 times a year, and also no redosing.

At the end of the day, it releases your serotonin and it does do damage to your brain (which, with time is reversible), but by damage to your brain i DO NOT mean Brain damage, as in your going to sit there dribbling or get parkinsons disease.

If people were to understand the mechanism and action of mdma, and its undoubtedly obvious effect on our mental health and wellbeing, they would definitely take it much easier on the stuff.

Its the over use of mdma that makes it potentially dangerous (Think Depression > Suicide) If everyone was educated well enough, and followed the guidelines i don't think we'd see many negative reports back from mdma at all.

The best experiences i have ever had on mdma is where ive waited between doses, when i waited 63 days and took 100mg that was just amazing.
 
Its about fucking time!!! Someone should foward this article to the new York times and every other major city newspaper in the country. Start spreading the word maybe shit will start changing.

Not to mention after they tax the shit out of it it would probably erase our deficit in the first year. But hey I wouldn't mind paying top dollar a couple of times a year to get clean pure mdma.
 
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Who actually uses MDMA "properly" though? Safe MDxx users are of course the minority...


Sure, they do say that pure MDxx when used responsibly is safe, and I agree with it. But when you're doing MDMA every week in massive doses, saying it's not a neurotoxin is complete bull shit...


MDMA DOES cause damage, now if you use it safely you can minimize that damage to almost nothing, but the fact of the matter is that people simply don't do that. They take too much too often, and then they're going to read this article, and think it's safe for them. It's what happened to me, and many others out there.


I want to make sure that anyone who knows the negative effects only will have the chance to learn about the benefits, and vice versa.
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You can substitute Alcohol for MDMA in the above post.

Lots of campaigns and "studies" are funded by the huge anti-drugs brigade. Does every one recall the bullshit scientific campaign in the late 90s early 00s (i think) that proved MDMA caused holes in the brain.....................This was used by a "ecstasy is dangerous" crew on billboards, beer matts etc. Turned out to be utter bullshit.

http://newsvitamin.wordpress.com/tag/mdma/
 
^ That rumor is based on SOMETHING though, they are just saying it stupidly.


Ecstasy abuse disrupts the flow of blood in your brain... a long term abuser can eventually have entire areas of his brain that lack blood flow, which causes a dark spot that will look like a hole on a brain scan. The brain tissue is still there, but it is damaged.

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I agree that you can say the same things about alcohol, or ANY drug, but who do you know that can take MDMA everyday for years and be fine? No one. How many people do you know who can drink like a fish everyday and still live a "normal" life? There are quite a few.

I'm all for MDMA legalization, but if they make it as available as alcohol, people are going to have some serious problems. It is a hard drug, and should be treated as such.... my fears are that studies like this make it look like something it's not, because they only talk about safe usage of the drug... which hardly anyone ever does.
 
I'm modern concerned about what regular use does to the serotonin receptors of the brain. I always get such a downer in the times after using MDMA.
 
^ There are ways to counteract it,
But the main ones are to wait at least 60 days and exercise and eating my e-diet ive found.
Also cannabis afterwards is another great amazing experience, it feels like its doing some good to your brain too after being on the mdma.
 
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