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I read Tentram's post and Cankinit's but I apologise CassandraGemini I am just way too high to read that much, I definitely will when im a bit more sober in a few hours :)

Im not sure this whole things going to work. Ive used probably a gram of decent gear today and im higher than ive ever been without overdosing :/ So if I dont settle down then the wd's are going to be really bad(and that isif I stop using before im poor which is a really scary thought) Tentram I do kind of keep H close to my house but I have my mum here and even though she knows I use I try to keep it as far away from in front of her face as I can because she really doesnt like it obviously, id be a bit worried if she fully condoned it. I have to think this through again but ive been given a point of ice and some base so im sure ill be back on later(when ill read your post caasandraG) and figure this shit out so I can stop pestering you BL folk with my silly junky shit :P

Take care people, love you guys :) xx
 
hit me up via pm if you want, bro.

i'm a little drunk and doped up myself but still witty enough to give some advice if you want.

using a g of gear already today? that has me worried, man, along with the speed. you're a great guy and it sincerely gets me down when i see you're going through a rough patch. like i said, hit me up if you want instead of airing in this thread.

take care of yourself, friend:)

crankinit's idea of using codeine is a good one as well. safer than the H method for sure.
 
Yeah thats a better idea thanks Tentram.... I realy wasnt trying to put a negative spin on this thread and im not implying you meant that at all Tent but I always manage to. Im just so high and dont realise it. Im not feeling negative coz im so high from the gear but to someone whos not high I can imagine its quite depressing.

Hope you guys have been getting nice, clean gear thats not full of shit! And that you have been using it to have a nice relaxing night and not because you are dependent on it. Even if you do need it and are dependent on heroin, still try to enjoy it every now and then because it gets pretty stressfull getting on every day and feeling that disappointment when you only get enough into you to get you well and not really get you high.

If your one of these people who only need to snort/smoke minus 30-50mg and you get high as a kite then do yourself a favour and dont develop a tolerance. And you can do that by using weekly at absolute most! But im sure most of you know this. I do think it is cool that some of you can use every now and then and its becoming more popular for people to use heroin every now and then. I am 22, been on opiate maint for 3-4 years, have a massive tolly and have no self control when it comes to opies at all, I have developed this love for them that is just irresistable. So good on you to anyone who can keep it as a special occasion. That would be the best way to enjoy it anyway :) Kind of like cocaine but for different special occasions.
 
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Heroin is like the hot stove your mother told you not to touch, but you did anyway, and thus discovered it burns. Unlike the hot stove though, with heroin your common sense takes a flight out the window, and you just keep on getting burned. Again, and again.

A. <3
 
no way at all did i think you were putting a negative spin on the thread, dude, quite the opposite. just thought if you wanted some one on one advice hit me up, you know you're always welcome. sorry to make you feel paranoid or whatever it may have been by that:)

you know we junk fiends are like family in here, all supportive of each other no matter the case<3
 
Here here. I wish we all lived in the same city so we could hang out, I love my friends but being the only heroin addict among them I feel like I can't really connect with them on that level and everyone that I've met using h here has always let me down by being lying, thieving scumbags. It would be nice to have some opiate buddy's to shoot the shit with so to speak.
 
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you're in sydney like ketaman, right, cass? if so, and if my plans go accordingly, i'm planning to hit the road mid way through next year with my mate in his van that i'm helping him get rigged up in time for him to go cruising for a while with his missus come mid december. we'll definitely be making our way down newcastle way at least so we'll have to try hook up and hang out if that's the case. even if you're in melbourne, we've no boundaries on where we'll go - just living the life of a vagrant but with modern day comforts:D will definitely keep you in the loop once plans are more cemented and the time is approaching nearer.

ketaman, i'll get around to replying to your pm shortly bud. i hope you're doing ok today, man.
 
I'm in the same boat aswell unfortunately . Down to 60 mg done and tapering because the depression is unbearable. Thinking about dropping to 30mg for maintenance and using every now and then. If I lose control with using to often ill be forced to go
Back on bupe. I just want to be functional and productive whilst enjoy a nice shot every week or two. I can tell their are some of us who share similar personalities and arnt just stereotypical low lives. I wish everyone a clean high and a peaceful night:)
 
Ashley said:
Heroin is like the hot stove your mother told you not to touch, but you did anyway, and thus discovered it burns. Unlike the hot stove though, with heroin your common sense takes a flight out the window, and you just keep on getting burned. Again, and again.

A. <3
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lol

but a hot stove that every time you touch it gets you high as fuck.

i'm a month into my black market bupe.

I've gone from 4mg to 0.05mg a day (or less, its hard to measure once your below 1mg).

I would have done the smack if only i could afford it :(

i've been a bit silent with certain people because its too painful to even talk about this stuff.
 
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im going to stop the codeine as well and i think it should be ok) is start off with 200gm of seed 2-3 times a day (depending on my tolerance at the time) for the first 3-4 days then drop to 100gm seed 2-3 times a day then 100gm in the morning and either 90mg of pure codeine pills or 100mg of CWE'd codeine at night then drop the seed and stick to codeine and finish the taper on that.
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dude, i like your plan, but i would seriously advise not using seed.
there are a bunch of alkaloids in there - which means the duration of effect is long (unlike codeine or h) and you get habituated to all of them; meaning for a longer, more complicated, drawn-out withdrawal.
plus, "100 g" of seed can be completely inactive or some kind of threshold amount. it is really, really variable.
it will always be questionable as to whether it is holding you at all (you might get halfway through your day and realise that WDs are kicking in because your morning dose was insufficient).
plus, they're too easy to obtain (thus abstain from) and hard to cut yourself off from.
i've not been in your position before - it sounds like you've really got yer head screwed on straight - but take it from someone that's been using pst and ppt for 10 years - it's not something you want to use if you want to get away from addiction.
stick with the codeine if you can, IMO.
it sounds like you're really going the hard yards and have a good plan, but if i were you (going from my personal experience) i would rethink the seeds.
especially if, as you say;
i find it much easier going through 1 week of intense pain than at least 2 weeks of drawn out shittiness coming off bupe
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some say WD from the broad spectrum opiates (pod tea, laudanum, pst etc) can take even longer than 2 weeks because you're withdrawing from literally dozens of active (or pro-drug) alkaloids.
good luck man. i'd hate to see you fuck up all the hard work and pain you've gone through to get this far.
 
Thanks space I appreciate the advice and kind words and I totally know where you're coming from. I avoided pst for a long time for easing withdrawals, because of the reasons you outlined, and just stuck to codeine but after 8 months of experimentation I've found pst works pretty well for me. Codeine definitely has its place but even at high doses it doesnt really ease h withdrawal very well, it's too short lived and (excuse my simplistic language) it doesn't seem to activate the all of the same parts of the brain that heroin does, you can be high on codeine and at the same time still feel the withdrawal from heroin if that makes sense, its weird but it's something I've definitely noticed. At the doses I'm taking pst at the rest of the alkaloids don't seem to cause me undue pain, for example I can take 200gm at 9 in the morning and will be back in moderate withdrawal by 1pm, this is almost certainly because of my tolerance to heroin but even with a very low tolerance 100-200gm's seldom lasts longer than 6-7 hours before withdrawal sets in. For me anyway. And I think because I'm only using pst for a 2 weeks at most at relatively low doses (and then move onto codeine) I don't quite run into dangerous territory with the lengthy withdrawals. I know what you mean though, pst definitely dose have a much longer half life than most other opiates, a couple of friends of mine were addicted to pst and said the withdrawal was long and nasty. Also there is variation in the strength of the seeds but it doesn't seem to cause to much a problem when I use them in this way, sometimes if a batch is especially weak then I can be thrown back into withdrawal earlier than I would have liked but at the end of the day the idea is to keep myself in a slight state of withdrawal until I'm clean, as long as its not full blown withdrawal it's bearable. But yeah that can cause problems from time to time, I have found that for the most part seeds seem to be fairly even in potency, sometimes you do get a bags that are stronger or weaker than others but then again this is also the case with heroin, you kind of just have to make do with what you have when your not dealing with pharmaceuticals. I spent quite a long time getting the taper with pst and codeine right, or as right as I can for me, i definitely figured it out by making errors and it certainly isn't perfect but for a tapering plan using *legal* and easily obtainable opiates it works pretty well. Provided you can stick to it and not score, that's the hard part! Unfortunately heroin is by far the easiest drug for me to get, if I get it into my head that I want to use and have the money I can almost always have what I need within the hour. That hot stove would be so much easier to avoid if that red glow didn't look so pretty.
 
Also tent I'm I'm Melbourne, if you do come down this way definitely let me know, it'd be awesome to hang out. Even if you only plan to head as far as Sydney still keep me in the loop, if i have the time and money id definitely consider coming up to Sydney for a few days for a little holiday, meeting some fellow bluelighters would be awesome.
 
Good luck with it Cass, where are you upto now - have you stuck to that taper? Hope it's all going well anyway.

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it doesn't seem to activate the all of the same parts of the brain that heroin does, you can be high on codeine and at the same time still feel the withdrawal from heroin if that makes sense, its weird but it's something I've definitely noticed.
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I feel exactly the same thing too sometimes, where I can feel high and sick simultaneously, it is weird and I'm glad someone else has noticed it! I didn't know if I was just attributing the sickness to wd's when it wasn't really - I tend to attribute every slightly bad feeling to wd when I have a habit.

I've also noticed that since using a lot of smack in the past couple of weeks that pst doesn't really hit the spot anymore, I don't feel sore or anything after it but I still feel really restless and uncomfortable on it. Pretty silly, I've spent way too much money on heroin lately and it's so easy to become enamoured with it, after 7 or 8 days on it I found myself pretty much uninterested with other opioids and trying to think of ways I can keep using heroin every day, but it's just not maintainable for me.
 
Magnesium and potassium. As Ash as suggested Gastrolyte is a great way to obtain them quickly. The pills work a little better IME but it takes a fair while to feel any effects.
 
Havent tried gastrolyte, I thought that was for diarrhea which would help but would it help target achy legs? Ive tried magnesium tablets but didnt find them that helpfull.
 
Hey guys, last day of getting on it until I go back on bupe tomorrow. Its a little bit of a downer coz of going from pretty much as much heroin as I want, when I want and believe me. Seasoned addicts have been suprised at the shots I was having and they'd be more stoned than me! Im not trying to make myself sound like a tough guy who takes heaps of drugs, just saying im going from having all this gear to bupe and no H or high. Its a bit depressing but im enjoying what I have while I have it. On bupe its nice that at least life will we more stable even though I may not feel the way id like to at times.

Ive had I think 3 nice shots today and have another tiny one saved for before bed and have pigged out big time probably using about a quarter of an ounce of awesome heroin in the last week and a half or so. Its sad that its time to say goodbye but the fact that that may be forever is a little more real this time.
I got a FULL-ON pins n needles histamine rush just before from quite a big shot probably 3 points! Ive never had that happen with any other drug except morphine it was quite unexpected and strange. I had doses out of the same big rock more than once and didnt get that feeling any other times. Im quuite astounded with that, ive never experienced that with H before.

Has anyone else ever experienced this before with heroin?
 
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