Smackie Thread

[Captain Brewster]

^ I can't even find H where I'm from, plenty of meth, benzos and other presrcibed stuff though.

I think because I'm in a regional area it's got even more taboo than the city's.
I've got mates that smoke meth all weekend and sometimes through the week, if they thought I was scoring H and getting on it, they would be disgusted. Fucking hippocrites.
I even cop shit for taking shrooms, and get reminded constantly that I will end up in a psych ward for the rest of my life.

 

[Christ!]

Dddd-I-sease! lol just being a smart-ass anal fucker(wow that didnt sound good did it? )

The reason I ask that question is coz I would like to know whether its just my area(kind of remote beach/country town) that the H scene is dying off or whether its in the big cities too? I wonder if heroin use will eventually fade off into nothing or whether sometime along the line we're going to have a big increase in heroin use among younger people.

Funny how young people are so willing to use pharm ope's but heroin is a no-no(until theyre dependent)Just goes to show you how much the average drug user knows about the drugs theyre taking. My prediction is that in Australia sooner or later the younger pill users(not that we have that many, do we?) will move on to heroin once their pill habit becomes too expensive(like mine did) kind of like what happens in America fairly often, kid starts out snortin oxy for fun, moves on to bangin oxy or sniffing H and by the time their 20 their IV'n H daily.

Just trying to get some good conversation going in here
Please no availability or price discussion :D

There's younger users around, but it does seem like the majority of users are older and have had a habit for a long time (like 10 years +) From my experiences seems like there's a fair bit of occasional use (like once a week) with people who are also on the program. It's just so expensive to maintain a habit.

Heroin seems like it's not very attractive to young people at the moment. It's looked at as the most extreme, harmful drug of them all. I think you're right on the money and the increasing use of opiate pharmaceuticals will eventually turn into heroin being more popular. Maybe the general public will start to realize how damaging meth can be and soften their views on H. Or maybe some guy with the right connections will start flooding high quality stuff into AUS at a reduced price and realize he can make more that way.

I don't think it'll ever disappear entirely, but it has seen a pretty steady decrease in usage ever since the 90's. Will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Sustanon]

I think I over indulged in some H over the weekend. Did a few lines than usual and next day I woke up feeling extremely nauseaus, vomiting every 30 minutes, Diarahea til the point it was green :S and hot, cold flushes and severe stomach cramps that made me want to just curl up in a ball and die, no matter what I drank or ate it all came up. After 3 days Im still not feeling normal. Did I have an allergic reaction or was it simply just extremely pure h or WD's? Have been using it on and off for quite some time and never experienced this before. Only insufflated 10-20mg at a time which is more than enough for me with a medium tolerance to opies. It was white powder after it was broken off a block if that helps.

 

[8ft-Sativa]

I think I over indulged in some H over the weekend. Did a few lines than usual and next day I woke up feeling extremely nauseaus, vomiting every 30 minutes, Diarahea til the point it was green :S and hot, cold flushes and severe stomach cramps that made me want to just curl up in a ball and die, no matter what I drank or ate it all came up. After 3 days Im still not feeling normal. Did I have an allergic reaction or was it simply just extremely pure h or WD's? Have been using it on and off for quite some time and never experienced this before. Only insufflated 10-20mg at a time which is more than enough for me with a medium tolerance to opies. It was white powder after it was broken off a block if that helps.

I know exactly the feeling! I have used Heroin three times. The first time was China White i was sniffing in Cambodia and I nodded HARD but the next three days I was bed riddin with this insane headache/nausea.

The second time I tried China White a few years later although still in Cambodia and I got the same reaction. Decided Heroin really wasn't for me.

But the third time I smoked some Brown Sugar in India right by the Afghan border and the feeling was god like and for the first time no bad headache!

For me it's just the type of Heroin I think. The headache was like a migraine and I will never do China White again. Brown sugar was amazing though! only <no prices> a bindle over there too.

 

[junkie skumbag]

I think I over indulged in some H over the weekend. Did a few lines than usual and next day I woke up feeling extremely nauseaus, vomiting every 30 minutes, Diarahea til the point it was green :S and hot, cold flushes and severe stomach cramps that made me want to just curl up in a ball and die, no matter what I drank or ate it all came up. After 3 days Im still not feeling normal. Did I have an allergic reaction or was it simply just extremely pure h or WD's? Have been using it on and off for quite some time and never experienced this before. Only insufflated 10-20mg at a time which is more than enough for me with a medium tolerance to opies. It was white powder after it was broken off a block if that helps.

theres a hell of a bug going around you might of caught it i had the bud about 2 months ago n all i could do for about a week n a half was lay on the couch either shivering or sweating my balls off then runnin back n forth the toilet every fuckin 20 mins....

 

[Sustanon]

theres a hell of a bug going around you might of caught it i had the bud about 2 months ago n all i could do for about a week n a half was lay on the couch either shivering or sweating my balls off then runnin back n forth the toilet every fuckin 20 mins....

This was no bug man, few hours after dosing my last line of h i felt incredible nauseaus and thought id sleep it off but when I woke up at 4am it turned into a nightmare.Its the flu x 1000000

 

[footscrazy]

Sustanon, sounds a bit like this experience I posted just a bit back though the actual heroin sounds different . Terrible ay

A few months back I used some heroin that made me extremely sick the next day, this shit was unlike the usual #4 white rock you get in Melbourne; this was a clumpy brown powder. Was getting very stoned from burning it, then 5 mins later I'd feel straight. The next day though, fuuuck, I've never felt anything like it, such extreme nausea. Was chucking and chucking with no relief, was such a bad feeling. I tend to get a bad hangover from morphine, much more pronounced than any other opiate, and I think this 'heroin' may have been shitty homebake morphine based crap. Either way, that feeling was intensely bad, I would've most likely rocked up to the ER if I had been able to remove myself from the toilet floor.

 

[spacejunk]

sounds mighty unpleasant.
it could be any number of things - the thing with illicit heroin is that you literally don't know where it's been. not just in smuggling, but storage or manufacture. remember the anthrax cases in western europe that were due to a bad bunch of heroin a couple of years ago?

i've had some brutal hangover-type sickness from overindulging in opiates (migraine-like symptoms, vomiting, light sensitivity etc) but 3 days sound like a long time for heroin to affect you. could be a contamination?

 

[Crankinit]

One thing to keep in mind is the relative price of pharms and H. America has very cheap H, so it's much better value for money, which means most pill addicts graduate to H eventually when they can't afford to use oxy every day. But here, our H prices are so inflated that a H habit isn't all that much cheaper than a pill habit, so there's no strong motive to swap from one to the other. In fact given the variable quality of H and the people you have to go through to get it, pharms often seem like the better option even with a high tolerance.

I think that's why the H users are mostly older, people who got into it in the 80's and 90's and stick with what they know, whereas the younger generation prefer pharms and only use H occasionally, if at all.

 

[spacejunk]

^ yeah smack was plentiful in australia in the 80s and early-mid 90s which i think accounts for the demographics of users in this country. agreed that going from pharms to street H isn't as practical here as it is in the US (or countries with cheaper, more available heroin) but i suppose it might come down to supply.
it seems like there is more heroin around than there was 5-10 years ago, and use could pick up further if the supply continues to increase. there are a lot of geopolitical/economic variables, such as the political situation in burma and surrounding countries.

 

[Crankinit]

Yeah heroin does has the advantage of not requiring prescriptions, so supply is more constant.

 

[Sustanon]

Sustanon, sounds a bit like this experience I posted just a bit back though the actual heroin sounds different . Terrible ay

It sure sounds like we had similar reactions. Im still not well and this is the 4th day, the stomach cramps that Im getting are so severe that Im going to the doctors later, havnt eaten anything literally in 4 days

sounds mighty unpleasant.
it could be any number of things - the thing with illicit heroin is that you literally don't know where it's been. not just in smuggling, but storage or manufacture. remember the anthrax cases in western europe that were due to a bad bunch of heroin a couple of years ago?

i've had some brutal hangover-type sickness from overindulging in opiates (migraine-like symptoms, vomiting, light sensitivity etc) but 3 days sound like a long time for heroin to affect you. could be a contamination?

Hmm wonder if it could be contamination? Fuck knows what diseases the mules carry especially in some African and Asian countries :S This is the first time I have to admit that I ever thought about how drugs are actually handled, you juts never know where its been or whats in it. Every time its a bloody gamble really :S

 

[Ashley]

Cotton fever? Could be a dirty shot.

 

[drug_mentor]

^ Neither footscrazy or sustanon were mainlining the gear that made them feel dodgy afterwards.

 

[footscrazy]

Im still not well and this is the 4th day, the stomach cramps that Im getting are so severe that Im going to the doctors later, havnt eaten anything literally in 4 days

I was only sick for one day afterwards, 4 days sounds absolutely killer Prob a good idea to get it checked with the doctor, hope it's nothing too serious.

Just a question out of curiosity. What is the average age of the heroin user in your area?

Most of the heroin users I know are older too. It's hard to say an average as I know several who are in their 50s or even older, and then another big group of people in their 30s now. It does seem like there are less people starting to use it, it seems like the main group of users are those who started 10-15 years ago and have just kept at it since then. From what I know a lot of them started fairly young though, teens or early 20s. It's sad to say but a fair few of the youngest heroin users I know seem to be using because their parents are users, rather than coming into the scene from outside.

I also agree with Crankinit about the price factor of heroin vs pharms in the US, if anything it's cheaper to use pharms rather than heroin here, that's definitely the case in my area anyway, when you take into account the relative purity of smack.

I wonder if heroin is losing some of its stigma just because fewer people are coming into contact with the direct effects of it, and whether this would have any effect on the number of new people trying it if the country was ever flooded with it again.

 

[Christ!]

It sure sounds like we had similar reactions. Im still not well and this is the 4th day, the stomach cramps that Im getting are so severe that Im going to the doctors later, havnt eaten anything literally in 4 days



Hmm wonder if it could be contamination? Fuck knows what diseases the mules carry especially in some African and Asian countries :S This is the first time I have to admit that I ever thought about how drugs are actually handled, you juts never know where its been or whats in it. Every time its a bloody gamble really :S

That sounds horrible. I've never really thought about bacterial or viral contamination of drugs before either. Just had a read about the heroin contaminated with anthrax in scotland...that's a bit scary. Anthrax is good at hiding out for years in harsh conditions, most bacteria probably wouldn't survive the journey or preparation for ingestion/injection/etc.

Hopefully it's just a coincidence and you caught some bug off someone around the time you took the H. Seems there's lots of sick people in my area at the moment...mostly colds/flu though.

 

[Crankinit]

I wonder if heroin is losing some of its stigma just because fewer people are coming into contact with the direct effects of it, and whether this would have any effect on the number of new people trying it if the country was ever flooded with it again.

That's a good point, as these things go in cycles, though I think the only factor that could realistically induce such a situation is if painkillers were to come under stricter control, slowing down the supply and forcing recreational users to turn to H. Kinda like what's going on in America atm with oxycontin and heroin. Either that or if the country were somehow flooded with H to the extent that the price dropped by a substantial degree, which I don't see happening. I mean how many times has the price of a drug actually gone 'down' in this country? The only one I can think of is ecstasy, and even that's arguable if you take pill quality into account.

That said, recent reports have all suggested supply and quality of heroin is on the increase again.

It will be interesting to see where this current new generation of opiate users end up in the next 5 or 10 years. You're right that as a society we aren't as touched by the negative effects of heroin use as we were 15 or so years ago when it was huge in the 90's. Meth has taken the crown for hard drug of choice, and I think we're going to see a huge fallout from that shift in the next 5 - 10 years as the current generation which has traded not only heroin but also party drugs for smoking meth suffers the effects of addiction and abuse. It's possible that as the damaging effect of meth becomes apparent over the next decade or so, there might be a shift back towards opiates, particularly pharmaceuticals, as a less toxic alternative, especially since pharms in particular are a regulated medical product and therefor generally perceived as safer and cleaner.

 

[slortaone]

whats the deal with veins coming to the surface and appearing to 'harden' after using the same vein like, three or four times? my friend asked me and once he showed me i was quite surprised. none of the others are like that. i know for a fact hes only IVed four times max. i did try to search but didnt have any luck.. i thought here might be a good place to ask?

edit - the reason i know its only been four times is because hes too much of a pussy to buy sharps from a pharmacy, amongst other reasons.

 

[the_ketaman]

I just got on before and got some brown gear which ive never seen before, it was water soluble so didnt need any acid just a bit of heat and the rush was so different to the stuff ive had before, much stronger and the high is a bit different. All in all I like this stuff, not sure if I like it more than the white stuff as the white gives me a stronger high but the brown a stronger rush. Think I prefer legs over rush.

Slortaone- Whats he injecting? Heroin?

Injecting drugs like methadone syrup, base speed or pharm pills are likely to harden veins after only a few shots, if he's shooting H and his veins are going hard that quickly then theres something wrong or a bad cut in the gear he's shooting. I think veins heal though, I had veins that were fucked a few years ago that I can use now after giving them a break.

This is not something I know a lot about so im sure someone else will have some input in this.

EDIT: Not sure if your in Australia but if your in America getting tar ive heard that shit is very bad for your veins.

 

[Ashley]

You getting this stuff, especially the brown in compressed rocks? Even the write for that matter? Or just powder.

Just curious, as the best gear I've ever had was like sandstone/brown, chips the size of a pie slice off a disc we would get. And the good brown stuff I've had has far outweighed the good white power, rock whatever.