Slippery Sheepdogs Dribbling Rainbow Halo's All Over The Parellogram- PD Triangle Urt

[swilow]

Morning Glass' posts have disappeared off the face of the earth.

It's one thing to ban someone but to delete the posts is just deleting history.

Not unlike the kind of censorship they had under Stalin.

Pure fucking fascism.

Are you serious- "like Stalin"??? Thats a fucked up thing to say man. This is a WEB FORUM, not a murderous regime. I think theres quite a difference.

Bluelight is run this way for a reason; Andy has had numerous accounts, and each time been banned for a variety of reasons, not limited to threatening violence, suggesting people eat their cats, and some racism. Now- I know that he was kidding around, but people got tired of it. What evidence do you have, Uniter, that its a case of him not being liked?

Personally, I don't think BL is good for him. But he seems to think it is.

Anyhow, the way you guys blow this up- like STALIN ZOMG- is harsh IMO. You do realise that by saying these things, you are essentially attacking all staff members? Its rather pathetic. As is my response. As are all these cults that form around an individual in PD; he's just a human. Andy KNOWS to keep a low profile; yet he won't. Do you think theres a reason for that? Do you think he might be, you know, trying to rub shit in peoples faces- somewhat?

Trust me, I've battled against this ban, but to be loaded in with things you have no knowledge of, and with no evidence- thats ignorant. Bluelight has never pretended to be democractic. I have felt that effect myself, and am against it- but the site wouldn't run otherwise. He has wasted time and resources that should be directed towards Harm Reduction....and that is how it will be; everytime he pops up, he will be banned and his posts deleted.

I dunno man- I think you need to think before posting such bullshit From the heart....

kaput means gone man


when i asked them to delete all my posts they said you had to do it manual

Main reason: the onus is on the BLer to ensure their own privacy. If you've spilt the beans in some way, or have been "discovered", its your own issue.

Either way, Admin can delete posts; manually too. The reason suich as Gaian Planes and Samdhi Smiles posts AREN'T deleted is because he started a lot of good topics that will also be deleted....so there is a form of justice.

I dunno- one moment there is complaining about "facism"- next theres complaining about being told to take resppnsibility for yourselves....What DO you want?

Honestly, you guys are my good friends, so I feel I can speak frankly to ye all, and I do hope no-one takes offense. If you REALLY have an issue with BL is run, start a thread in Support suggesting ways you would deal with such a situation....

Anyhow- heres a secret- I'm actually not going to be a Bluelight staff member much longer; its somewhat thankless, but mainly, its something I'm over. So soon, we'll all be able to rally, futilely, against the interweb, while children are eaten by vultures in Africa.

 

[dread]

good morningz Mr dread hows things

things are as things must be.

Personally I feel the whole situation with Andy/GP has become somewhat grotesque... the way things are going, this will keep on for ages: make a new account, get banned & deleted, on and on... If he would just keep on the low and not let people recognize him I'm sure no one would bother to ban him. Then he could send private messages to his friends so they would recognize him, or something. The current cat & mouse game is just stupid.

That said, he has made lots of good posts and I respect him for that.

to all

 

[Solipsis]

Ah how unfortunate...

I've really missed Andy but never knew he posted that insane stuff as well...
(Oh and I don't know him personally, no one here actually)
Apparently he was venturing a bit too far out of any bounds, then stuff like right or
wrong or morally acceptable become too arbitrary to consider or so it seems. But that
doesn't mean I condone it!! Just trying to reason a little here.
Him wasting energy is just sad, but as you say he contributed good things as well. The
guy rattled cages and wasn't selective about it or something?

But to return to the point of you leaving: I think you've done a good job here during your
run so thanks for that. Are there enough decent and willing people to carry on the torch?

 

[Dondante]

Swilow, you have been one of the most consistently involved mods on BL since I can remember. I can't personally thank you enough for all that you've done. If you do step down, please hang around, AND please keep contributing to the social thread titles. I don't think anyone else could create such eccentric, whimsical words to accompany the PD hang out spot.


On another topic, Andy knows he could come back under a new IP address and keep a low profile, but he doesn't seem to be trying too hard at the moment. I don't agree with the mods decision to pursue him so relentlessly ... there is clearly some control issue here. I think if he could come back a little more quietly and make some good contributions without revealing his identity right away (it's bound to come out eventually), he should be allowed to stay ... perhaps under the condition that he doesn't post in the lounge or something similar.

 

[andreas]

sorry I really shouldn't comment i haven't been here long enough...but

The way swilow puts it he is right admin and mods have a job to do threatening violence is some thing I personally dislike it shouldn't be a part of bluelight

swilow as far as I can tell you have done a great job as a mod, hope you stay around as a bler

 

[swilow]

^As said though, the threat of violence was most likely a roided up comment, and not serious. Still...

Staying around= for sure. Just heading away from excessive drug use; so modding a drug forum may not be so wise

Dondante, nice post- the "andy issue" does swing two ways; both sides need looking at, indiscriminately; however, the power lies in the administrators. Lets hope Andy does return and realise that he should lie low. He is a smart boy, and knows how to mask his IP (i should damn well hope! :D) so we'll see....I am certain, if he behaves, he will eventually be allowed back.

Until then....

 

[swilow]

Are there enough decent and willing people to carry on the torch?

I'm not sure what the plan is- all I know is I'm out for a good while.

 

[Solipsis]

S_S if you're reading this: respect yo dawm parole bwoy!

 

[PepperSocks]

Ya, I knew the Stalin comment was a bit over the top when I posted it but I wasn't going to go back and edit it out.

I believe you yourself Swilow said He's worn out his welcome for many staff members, which I receive as "they don't like him".

I'll admit I don't know the ins and outs of the situation, I don't go into the lounge or any of the forums he caused so called "shit" in. From what I know of him here he doesn't seem like the type of person who should be banned.

Murple used to have his own Web forums that he used to rule with an iron fist and made unjust movements. Maybe I should have used him as the example instead of Stalin. Sorry.

From what I know of Andy it seems he shouldn't be banned but it isn't any of our calls unfortunately and Bluelight is indeed not a democracy.

I do agree that if he does come back he should just PM everyone he knows with his ID and not flout it around publicly. I didn't think posting it in PD social would attract too much attention because I've never seen an admin post in here besides Felix once in a very blue moon but I guess they caught wind somehow.

I didn't intend to start a shitstorm and I do think the admins of this site do a bang-up job, it's only this little scenario that doesn't totally sit with me.

I also didn't know admins had to edit all the posts manually also. I thought they could just push a "delete account and all posts" button; sorry.

 

[Solipsis]

Is that not the reason we all find him so adorable? He was a good boy here but in the other "unfocussed" subfora he apparantly trolled around? Like, don't shit where you eat

Just restrict the man to PD and keep him on a leash lol.

No seriously, I barely scratched the surface of this affair.

 

[dread]

life is so amazingly complicated sometimes

 

[hoptis]

Thank you for everything swilow.

 

[PepperSocks]

So You guys do post in here, I'll shut my mouth now

Hi Hoptis

 

[hoptis]

Are you serious- "like Stalin"??? Thats a fucked up thing to say man. This is a WEB FORUM, not a murderous regime. I think theres quite a difference.

Bluelight is run this way for a reason; Andy has had numerous accounts, and each time been banned for a variety of reasons, not limited to threatening violence, suggesting people eat their cats, and some racism. Now- I know that he was kidding around, but people got tired of it. What evidence do you have, Uniter, that its a case of him not being liked?

Personally, I don't think BL is good for him. But he seems to think it is.

Anyhow, the way you guys blow this up- like STALIN ZOMG- is harsh IMO. You do realise that by saying these things, you are essentially attacking all staff members? Its rather pathetic. As is my response. As are all these cults that form around an individual in PD; he's just a human. Andy KNOWS to keep a low profile; yet he won't. Do you think theres a reason for that? Do you think he might be, you know, trying to rub shit in peoples faces- somewhat?

Trust me, I've battled against this ban, but to be loaded in with things you have no knowledge of, and with no evidence- thats ignorant. Bluelight has never pretended to be democractic. I have felt that effect myself, and am against it- but the site wouldn't run otherwise. He has wasted time and resources that should be directed towards Harm Reduction....and that is how it will be; everytime he pops up, he will be banned and his posts deleted.

I dunno man- I think you need to think before posting such bullshit From the heart....



Main reason: the onus is on the BLer to ensure their own privacy. If you've spilt the beans in some way, or have been "discovered", its your own issue.

Either way, Admin can delete posts; manually too. The reason suich as Gaian Planes and Samdhi Smiles posts AREN'T deleted is because he started a lot of good topics that will also be deleted....so there is a form of justice.

I dunno- one moment there is complaining about "facism"- next theres complaining about being told to take resppnsibility for yourselves....What DO you want?

Honestly, you guys are my good friends, so I feel I can speak frankly to ye all, and I do hope no-one takes offense. If you REALLY have an issue with BL is run, start a thread in Support suggesting ways you would deal with such a situation....

Anyhow- heres a secret- I'm actually not going to be a Bluelight staff member much longer; its somewhat thankless, but mainly, its something I'm over. So soon, we'll all be able to rally, futilely, against the interweb, while children are eaten by vultures in Africa.

Thanks. It's easy for me to stand here and explain it from the admin's point of view but I know the PD regulars are a lot more likely to listen when it comes from someone who is respected here.

All I can try to convey is that I don't, and I would expect that none of the senior staff here, ban people out of personal grievance. We expect that everyone from the PD regulars to the Steroid Discussion regulars to the staff and administrators take personal responsibility for their actions; no matter what state of mind they're in.

Similarly in this situation, if someone is an outstanding contributor in one forum and pretty awful in other areas of the site, we can't ignore or excuse that behaviour because it's not repeated here. Nor can we ban someone from every forum except one (or vice-versa ban someone from one forum and not the rest of Bluelight), this kind of also contradicts the idea that we treat you all like adults, regardless of your real age.

It comes back to being responsible for one's actions at all times.

I wouldn't be involved with Bluelight if this were a forum about getting as fucked as possible or how awesome drugs are. One of the prerequisites of asking that we as drug users be treated as normal people and worthwhile and contributing members of society is that we have to behave like responsible members of a community; whether that's Bluelight or the real world.

That said when a person is banned I don't necessarily agree all their posts should be summarily removed. Every post needs to be examined for it's own merit and removed accordingly if it violate the guidelines. On the other hand; if we don't enforce bans and allow someone to simply re-register under a different name and continue posting, it turns a ban into an empty gesture.

I'm probably going to regret jumping into this situation because to be honest, I don't know enough about it and haven't had any personal dealings with Andy myself, but I do know what it is like to ban someone permanently, someone who many forum regulars think provides useful information and re-registers an account over and over again and to have my actions seen as personal and vindictive when they couldn't be further from it.

I'm also posting because I don't want people in this thread to think the administrators aren't listening.

Peace.

 

[dread]

^ You sound like a smart person

 

[PepperSocks]

You do realise that by saying these things, you are essentially attacking all staff members?

This I don't really see.

I think you need to think before posting such bullshit

Sometimes I may be a bit impulsive in my ranting, yes. Like I've said before, i live my life with my foot in my mouth. If I say something out in left field, try not to take it too seriously. I didn't mean any serious harm. It was just a poorly chosen word that wasn't thought out. I didn't really mean it.

 

[*Love*Lite*]

Id like to start off by saying that I LOVE you all And PD is always such a nice place to visit, its full of positive energy and love and lite and you beautiful people.

Ive come to realize that drugs will most likely be a part of my life forever and only hope that Psychedelics stay my predominant interest as other drugs tend to change me in ways that I later regret. Psychedelics have always helped me discover myself and love myself and others.

I believe that this PD community is a unique one and an important resource for many others. The moderators here genuinally care about Harm Reduction and forum improvement and the PD members are genuinely intelligent and compassionate and give their knowledge freely, its a beautiful thing.

However, behind the scenes here on BL I have to say that I strongly dislike the drama. Im trying to focus my energies on positive things and find that BL sometimes weighs on me like a sack of bricks. BL used to be a fun thing for me, but moderating (while it has its perks) is more drama and more work than I care for. I feel a bit tied to the computer, feel like I have to be checking in daily. Its an addiction of sorts, one that I'd like to break. So like swilow I am considering stepping down soon as well. Figured that I'd let ya'll know since its been on my mind for a while now.

Bluelight is run this way for a reason; Andy has had numerous accounts, and each time been banned for a variety of reasons, not limited to threatening violence, suggesting people eat their cats, and some racism. Now- I know that he was kidding around, but people got tired of it. What evidence do you have, Uniter, that its a case of him not being liked?

Perhaps its just me, but I certainly notice a bias from several people towards him...

Personally, I don't think BL is good for him. But he seems to think it is.

I think that because hes been around for 8 years that BL is a part of him... im sure that any one of the members that has been around consistently for that long would find it hard to stay away for too long. I cant blame him there. Plus he made some really good posts under his last name in steroid discussion related to futuristic myostatin inhibtors, non-steroidal drugs with links to medical journals. To me that is a SERIOUS post that should NOT HAVE BEEN DELETED. GENUINE INTELLIGENT HR posts should not be erased IMO (PERIOD).

Trust me, I've battled against this ban, but to be loaded in with things you have no knowledge of, and with no evidence- thats ignorant. Bluelight has never pretended to be democractic. I have felt that effect myself, and am against it- but the site wouldn't run otherwise. He has wasted time and resources that should be directed towards Harm Reduction....and that is how it will be; everytime he pops up, he will be banned and his posts deleted.

Many staff members fought against his bans. Just to let everyone know, we do try to take care of our valued members in PD and other realms. However Swilow makes a good point in that Andy truly exhausted all his lifelines over the course of 8 years on BL. Some staff members feel that he should be banned on sight while others disagree and recommend giving him another chance and see if he follows the rules.

Anyhow- heres a secret- I'm actually not going to be a Bluelight staff member much longer; its somewhat thankless, but mainly, its something I'm over. So soon, we'll all be able to rally, futilely, against the interweb, while children are eaten by vultures in Africa.

Swilow we will miss you, perhaps we will be fallying futiely against the interweb together while childern are eaten by the vultures in africa lol But seriously, thank-you for everything you have done and continue to do for BL and PD, your soul shines through the interweb my friend

Swilow... please keep contributing to the social thread titles. I don't think anyone else could create such eccentric, whimsical words to accompany the PD hang out spot.
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Second I respect and UNDERSTAND your decision to step down if you choose but I do hope that you stick around and putter out some beautiful posts now and again

On another topic, Andy knows he could come back under a new IP address and keep a low profile, but he doesn't seem to be trying too hard at the moment. I don't agree with the mods decision to pursue him so relentlessly ... there is clearly some control issue here. I think if he could come back a little more quietly and make some good contributions without revealing his identity right away (it's bound to come out eventually), he should be allowed to stay ... perhaps under the condition that he doesn't post in the lounge or something similar.

^^ he's tried using diferent IP's, especially from his new name as hes boping around the coast right now surfing... I think that some people just make it a hobby to watch out for him and ban on site. Perhaps I shouldnt be speaking like this since Im a mod, but I feel you man. I think he should be allowed to stay until he starts causing problems (if he does).


Love and Lite to all Sorry for the semi glum post ( I tried to balance it out tho) Its a beautiful day! Gathering of the Vibes was SPECTACULAR, got to hang out with some wonderful BL'rs and dance my ass off all weekend

 

[dread]

Someday an innocent newbie is going to get banned just because his name happens to be Andy...

 

[Roger&Me]

Anyhow- heres a secret- I'm actually not going to be a Bluelight staff member much longer

So like swilow I am considering stepping down soon as well. Figured that I'd let ya'll know since its been on my mind for a while now.

You guys are two awesome people, and you've both been awesome PD mods. I just want to thank you two for all you've done here, and all the many smiles that you've brought to my face. The love and light that you guys have emanated in this place is undeniable. When I think of PD, swilow and karma are some of the first names that pop into my mind, and probably always will be.

I have one selfish request to make of you two: please stop by to see us from time to time, we all like to see your posts and know you're okay.

 

[FreedomOfTheMind]

Sad to see you mods go, you were all wonderful, bright people who shared lots of important information with all of us-thank you..

I have been on BL for awhile now and it will always be a part of my personal evolution etc but I often find that people in the PD get a little too attached to the drugs and the drug experiences rather than what we learn about ourselves from using the drugs as tools. That is why I dont spend too much time on here anymore- it is just not that good for my personal well-being to be around so much drug murmur all the time and i dont think its a healthy way for a person to live- to be thinking about drugs so often. I continue to use psychs a few times a year and smoke pot weekly but I feel strongly that being attached to psychs and the experiences will only bring about sorrow and problems in the long run- for drug experiences are transient- the drugs just show us that the potential is inside us to be anything we want! we are all here, right now, creating the universe moment by moment. You design your own life (within the context of community of course) Reality is enough to handle. Living in a psychedelic world fueled by daily and weekly ingestions wil make you live in a fantasy world and you may miss the boat if you know what i mean. I have seen it happen. All these psychs just show you how fucking beautiful life is right now, for me at least--- all of the happiness, pain and sorrow- that is what its all about! You dont need to constantly take psychs to realize that. Open up your eyes- Life is the greatest trip of all! Your life is a glowing empty page and you are the artist!

Anyways...I am not dissing BL, i Love Bl, but I am just saying whats on my mind.

As for Andy

it is so silly to ban him- BL started off as a fucking ecstasy forum for gods sake- who are we kidding? Andy was one of the best posters I have seen on BL, and i loved reading his posts and reading his PMs. He knows his shit better than most and it is a blessing to have him around. I think he just wants to joke about all the rules and regulations of BL. Whatever, Bl has to do what it has to do to stay afloat- I respect and understand that.

Lets keep this a place for people to learn about psychedelics and as a forum for harm reduction so people use these sacraments wisely.

For the younger folks out there----dont get too attached to psychedelics- for they float away in the eternal tide of flux as well......make the experiences a part of you and learn from them...that is the point...i think.

I have changed so much since I first joined BL and use drugs a lot less and have developed way more passions and hobbies and feel more of a purpose in my life (its a self-designed one of course). BL helped me to really delve deeper into the psychedelic realm and explore and talk about my experiences to ppl all over the world---and that is wonderful.....but too much of something can be a bad thing. Psychs are a part of me and helped me develop into who i am today and begin to unlock my potential- however if i kept on being obsessed with them- I probably wouldnt have gotten anywhere and would have stared at the flashy road signs for a bunch of years instead of following where they are telling me to go (or showing me where I have the potential to go) These days I communicate with the mushroom spirit once or twice a year along with some DMT- I dont mess with the chemicals or ketamine anymore- I got all out of them that I can put to use for now.

I am not leaving BL for good and dont plan to, since I dont feel attached to it right now, but I am just saying why I go on so little these days. IDK why, I just felt like it. This place is important....

Much love to all...
- Andrew