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Care said:On an idealistic level im a libertarian and think as long as you aren’t effecting the lives of others in a negative way you should be free to do as you please.
However ecstasy (and almost all psychoactive drugs for that matter) can be dangerous when misused, and while that in itself doesn’t warrant them being a controlled substance we must be careful when introducing the public to a drug they have long been deprived of. Most people know little to nothing about MDMA, and that general ignorance isn’t going to change overnight. If people without the proper knowledge start buying ecstasy legally for recreational use alongside other drugs then you're just asking for trouble.
The best solution is to introduce it for medical use. Then once it is legal conduct studies on it so people have the best information possible when deciding to use it. Teach harm reduction and safe drug use in schools instead of all the "Drug Free" garbage they have now, and in a few years you will have a society that has safer, cheaper, legal drugs. And the money spent on them will go private business and the government through taxes, not drug kingpins in other countries.
purplefirefly said:I think that if mdma were made legal tomorrow you would have an onslaught of people purchasing the drug and using the drug. But once the "new-ness" wore off things would settle down. There isn't any way to prevent everyone from abusing and a few bad apples shouldn't ruin the bunch.
I agree completely with you on education though, specifically in schools. Kids are going to do what kids do and it shows that the "education" that kids are getting now just isn't working. Harm reduction and safety should be first and foremost.
Isolator said:We all have a tendency to disobey rules.
Because idiots will discover the drug and abuse the shit out of it. We would have a nation of addicts. And what comes with addiction? Loss of control of oneself?Zzyzx said:You said it youself... even if its illegal people will go trough crime to get it and poison themself.. Some will resort to theft, violence, even murder to procure drugs...
So why not legalize it and have the state control the sale of pure product just like alcohol and tobacco products?
Isolator said:Because idiots will discover the drug and abuse the shit out of it. We would have a nation of addicts. And what comes with addiction? Loss of control of oneself?
Trust me, I want drugs to be legal for my own selfish benefit and need, but I don't think everyone else will be able to control themselves like I can. And that's what EVERY SINGLE pro-drug person thinks.
That wouldn't work. Small amount is still an amount. 200mg of MDMA is a small amount, yet if an unexperienced idiot did that and got behind a wheel of a car, there's a dozen deaths. A gram of heroin is a small amount, and after I do about half a gram of smack, I am already too fucked up to drive. And if I've been driving for over 10 years on virtually every drug you can think of and I can't drive on smack, what makes you think that a first timer won't try to do what I can't? What makes you think a guy flying on one bowl of meth won't go out and start randomly robbing stores? Legalizing even a small amount will still bring mayhem and chaos to a world not ready to face legality.Zzyzx said:I must admit it, youre right
Than what about decriminalizing small ammounts that are clearly for personal usage and punish it with a fine rather than jail time ?
Isolator said:That wouldn't work. Small amount is still an amount. 200mg of MDMA is a small amount, yet if an unexperienced idiot did that and got behind a wheel of a car, there's a dozen deaths. A gram of heroin is a small amount, and after I do about half a gram of smack, I am already too fucked up to drive. And if I've been driving for over 10 years on virtually every drug you can think of and I can't drive on smack, what makes you think that a first timer won't try to do what I can't? What makes you think a guy flying on one bowl of meth won't go out and start randomly robbing stores? Legalizing even a small amount will still bring mayhem and chaos to a world not ready to face legality.
Weed is not a drug. It's a weed. Hence the name. Only reason it has been declared illegal is due to high ability to grow it in your home and the government not being able to tax it. You don't grow tobacco in your home, you don't brew liquor, hence why both are readily available to the public.Zzyzx said:small ammounts of weed have been decriminalized here in canada but driving under the influence of anything is still illegal so I dont see your point...
i think that most people who want to try drugs already did so or can already manage to do it illegaly.. why would it bring mayhem and chaos
Isolator said:Weed is not a drug. It's a weed. Hence the name. Only reason it has been declared illegal is due to high ability to grow it in your home and the government not being able to tax it. You don't grow tobacco in your home, you don't brew liquor, hence why both are readily available to the public.
And mayhem and chaos will come from millions of drug dealers going out of business (creating conflict between seller and buyer), and newcomers to the drugs (people who don't do drugs simply because they are illegal (and yes, most people abstain for that very reason)) would think "Oh jolly stuff, Batman! Now we can have some mighty good fun!" and start abusing shit they know nothing about, other words...just going for the artificial feeling. Also, the educational system will perish because most kids in school will find a way to turn their underdeveloped brains into mush before they hit puberty. So, no. Drugs should not be legalized, because dumbasses have a tendency to be...well...dumbasses.
I'm sure they do, but not as a hobby or out of convenience. Weed is grown as both, considering you literally have to put no effort into growing it. Tobacco is harder to cultivate and beer takes weeks to brew. People don't bother growing tobacco or brewing beer, although there are probably a token few who do. A dime of weed costs two packs of cigarettes, 3 packs in some states. Therefore, people grow it to reap profit. Alcohol and tobacco are inconvenient to produce, hence we have taxation and legality.pofacedhoe said:people do brew their own beer, and some people grow their own tobacco so open your mind a bit. but yes the general stupid public tend to behave like they are stupid in my experience
Isolator said:That wouldn't work. Small amount is still an amount. 200mg of MDMA is a small amount, yet if an unexperienced idiot did that and got behind a wheel of a car, there's a dozen deaths. A gram of heroin is a small amount, and after I do about half a gram of smack, I am already too fucked up to drive. And if I've been driving for over 10 years on virtually every drug you can think of and I can't drive on smack, what makes you think that a first timer won't try to do what I can't? What makes you think a guy flying on one bowl of meth won't go out and start randomly robbing stores? Legalizing even a small amount will still bring mayhem and chaos to a world not ready to face legality.
The thing about an irresponsible society is...when it's illegal we're still moderately under control...when it becomes legal, it's like throwing gallons of water on an oil flame. It would make things a whole lot worse than they already are.purplefirefly said:How is that any different from how things are now? There are people committing robberies now while under the influence of drugs and there are still all sorts of intoxicated drivers.
I don't think that legalization is going to necessarily entice people who haven't used before to automatically go out and start using like it's nobody's business. There may be some people who will try it because it's legal, but I bet those people were thinking about it when it was illegal. And who knows, given time, those people may have used it illegally anyway. To me, Legality = Harm Reduction.
Isolator said:The thing about an irresponsible society is...when it's illegal we're still moderately under control...when it becomes legal, it's like throwing gallons of water on an oil flame. It would make things a whole lot worse than they already are.