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Should Ecstasy be legal?

1. New laws for minors. If cigarettes and alcohol cannot be sold to minors, can anyone realistically say that drugs will not be restricted from minors? So, there will be new laws regulating the selling to minors for each and every drug that is legalized.

2. Lawsuits - I'm sure everyone is aware of all the lawsuits being brought against the tobacco industry...take a guess how many lawsuits will be brought up for drugs.....notice all the regulation and laws surrounding cigarettes? Legal drugs means MORE LAWS, MORE REGULATION AND MORE GOVERNMENT, higher taxes and higher insurance rates.

3. Campaign corruption: The tobacco industry owns many politicians now - can you imagine the drug industry? We'd have politicians selling out to the drug companies instead of tobacco companies. And if one is tempted to argue that the government already is selling out to the drug lords - well, think how much that would increase if it could be done legally.

4. Do people really think that drugs will not be taxed? They will - in fact it is the tax FROM the drugs that is proposed to pay for all the new drug rehabilitation programs that will be put in place.

Has anyone considered that the reason that people committed a crime was because they were ON drugs in the first place - legal or not? That they weren't necessarily committing a crime to get illegal drugs, but the drugs themselves caused a violent behavior (which would not magically go away if the drugs were legal) which lead them to committing a crime - something that would not have happened if they had not TAKEN drugs? In actuality, crime will rise when drugs are legal because more people will be taking drugs. Crime is high in high-drug use areas not because people are committing a crime to get drugs, but the influence of the drugs made them more inclined to commit a crime.

In addition, unless the most harmful and addictive drugs such as crack and heroin are made legal, people will still be drawn to these "black market" drugs.

How about young children and teenagers? They won't be able to purchase drugs, just as they can't purchase alcohol. Pushers would then concentrate on young people, and how will they learn to say no to pushers when they see their parents getting high with the consent of the government? Legalization would create a large group of new drug users - children.

Gargaro
 
When MDMA first came out, it was legal. It was used by shrinks to heal broken marriages, and for patients with post traumatic stress disorder. When the rave scene first started, you could buy it with a fucking credit card!! And then.......the government realized that they weren't making any money off of it, so it became illegal. Then Reagan started the war on drugs. It's a show called, "The drug years" on VH1Classic. It's part 2 of a 3 part thingie they did. Very informative! But........I, for one, definately think the world would be a better place if MDMA were legalized. It has changed my life for the better. The law should be that stupid people are not allowed to consume it because the stupid people are the ones who abuse it and break the "rules of rolling". You all know exactly who I'm talking about. Everybody knows at least one!
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purplefirefly said:
Would you mind explaining why you feel this way?
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because people was better in the begining of ecstasy rise. and any drug even in the right hands can be a disaster and especially this one. only the fact that your brain needs at least 3 months to recover from it says that its very bad. i see so many people fucked up in all the ways from e for good. dont need more.
 
AuraithX said:
Drugs should be treated as a social problem - not a criminal one. You're not hurting anyone by taking drugs except yourself.
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Agree completely. Ecstasy should be legal IMO.

Sure, people would over-do it the first couple years its legal, but in the long run I think it would be better. After a while people wouldn't abuse it as much, no more dealing, etc. You should have to be 18 to buy it, just like cigarettes.

EDIT: I support legalization of all drugs, not just ecstasy. Don't know if that matters for this post lol, but figured I'd add it.
 
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ecstasy shouldn't be legal
mdma on the other hand, was legal and used for anti-depression

i pefer to have MDMA legalized like it should be back then
but ecstasy are quite often mixed with other substance and binders
some people's body doesn't react well with the typical ecstasy tablets
pure mdma gel caps should be sold legally and for people with depression problem
 
love_child said:
1. New laws for minors. If cigarettes and alcohol cannot be sold to minors, can anyone realistically say that drugs will not be restricted from minors? So, there will be new laws regulating the selling to minors for each and every drug that is legalized.

2. Lawsuits - I'm sure everyone is aware of all the lawsuits being brought against the tobacco industry...take a guess how many lawsuits will be brought up for drugs.....notice all the regulation and laws surrounding cigarettes? Legal drugs means MORE LAWS, MORE REGULATION AND MORE GOVERNMENT, higher taxes and higher insurance rates.

3. Campaign corruption: The tobacco industry owns many politicians now - can you imagine the drug industry? We'd have politicians selling out to the drug companies instead of tobacco companies. And if one is tempted to argue that the government already is selling out to the drug lords - well, think how much that would increase if it could be done legally.

4. Do people really think that drugs will not be taxed? They will - in fact it is the tax FROM the drugs that is proposed to pay for all the new drug rehabilitation programs that will be put in place.

Has anyone considered that the reason that people committed a crime was because they were ON drugs in the first place - legal or not? That they weren't necessarily committing a crime to get illegal drugs, but the drugs themselves caused a violent behavior (which would not magically go away if the drugs were legal) which lead them to committing a crime - something that would not have happened if they had not TAKEN drugs? In actuality, crime will rise when drugs are legal because more people will be taking drugs. Crime is high in high-drug use areas not because people are committing a crime to get drugs, but the influence of the drugs made them more inclined to commit a crime.

In addition, unless the most harmful and addictive drugs such as crack and heroin are made legal, people will still be drawn to these "black market" drugs.

How about young children and teenagers? They won't be able to purchase drugs, just as they can't purchase alcohol. Pushers would then concentrate on young people, and how will they learn to say no to pushers when they see their parents getting high with the consent of the government? Legalization would create a large group of new drug users - children.

Gargaro
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Don't you think that legalization would provide safety to those who choose to use? Let the government regulate AND tax it for heaven's sakes! Let them put the FDA stamp of approval on drugs that are currently street drugs. I would GLADLY pay a "Peace of Mind" tax if I knew that the substance I was going to ingest into my body was of a known dosage and purity.

Legality would allow for MUCH NEEDED research on many drugs so that basic information would become readily available to the people who were using. Think of all the people who would benefit from mdma therapy, but they aren't able to get it now because the substance is illegal.

Legality has NOTHING to do with whether or not people (and children for that matter) are able to obtain a drug. If someone wants a drug they will get it. The black market may make it a little more difficult, but it's not even close to being impossible.

Are teenagers now being prevented from using illicit substances, or even legal substances such as alcohol and tobacco? Nope, if there is a will then there is a way. Why not make it safer by mass producing lab quality substances. Maybe if drugs were legal we wouldn't have people dying from taking "ecstasy" that is actually PMA, or we wouldn't have people dying from "heroin" overdoses that was actually fentayl or an analog.

The only people who would want to see drugs kept illegal are those who do not care about harm reduction or education.
 
I think it should be legal, though I don't deny that it has harmful side affects and does have its dangers.

Clinical use:
I think this is a no brainer. Anti-depressants aren't exactly side-effect free, yet they're used as ongoing treatment. If there is a possiblity for almost one off use of MDMA to treat disorders such as Post Traumatic Stress, then it should certainly be looked into.

Recreational use:
If I were going to more effort to argue for the point right now, I would probably focus on affect that it would have on social behaviour of party goers. The decreased tendency towards violence that might result from the use of MDMA as opposed to the use of Alcohol.
 
purplefirefly said:
Don't you think that legalization would provide safety to those who choose to use? Let the government regulate AND tax it for heaven's sakes! Let them put the FDA stamp of approval on drugs that are currently street drugs. I would GLADLY pay a "Peace of Mind" tax if I knew that the substance I was going to ingest into my body was of a known dosage and purity.

Legality would allow for MUCH NEEDED research on many drugs so that basic information would become readily available to the people who were using. Think of all the people who would benefit from mdma therapy, but they aren't able to get it now because the substance is illegal.

Legality has NOTHING to do with whether or not people (and children for that matter) are able to obtain a drug. If someone wants a drug they will get it. The black market may make it a little more difficult, but it's not even close to being impossible.

Are teenagers now being prevented from using illicit substances, or even legal substances such as alcohol and tobacco? Nope, if there is a will then there is a way. Why not make it safer by mass producing lab quality substances. Maybe if drugs were legal we wouldn't have people dying from taking "ecstasy" that is actually PMA, or we wouldn't have people dying from "heroin" overdoses that was actually fentayl or an analog.

The only people who would want to see drugs kept illegal are those who do not care about harm reduction or education.
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Well put!.!.!!!
 
if the next generation of babies were to grow up to a world of flavourd pills and legal E what do you think would happen?

out of all the drugs its most easy to pop a pill so i would think everyone would be fuked

thinking realisticly nah it shouldnt be legal lol
 
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Why shouldn't it be legal?

What would happen to all of the "babies" of the next generation? Would they be better or worse off from living with alcoholic parents of today? You also seem to be making the generalization that everyone who uses will not be able to do so responsibly.
 
I think prohibition should end, but that is in my opinion a different matter from going to the liquor store and picking up a bunch of meth and pcp.

MDMA would be made a lot less harmful if it were regulated, but I think that overall more people would get into it in a bad way were it open to the general public. I'm alluding to something here that isn't concrete as yes I officially think it should be not illegal, but...
 
Well I am old. And from Dallas. Mid 80s here were insane. Of course lovely texas ruined all this for us. But man it should be legal. I missed out on the legal days - didn't get on the club scene until 88ish - but was still crazy here. There would be supposed pharma grade around and I have to say if that is what I had - I never have experienced anything like that since then really.

You know what you are getting when you go to the store and by Budwieser. I have unfortunately over the years got some bad crap - luckily nothing to bad. But you are out at a club - no testing - you find something and take it. You really don't know. Just in the harm reduction it should be legal. Would be nice just to go to the bar.

Heck just buying it. Crap. A lot of people that get E - they have to deal with a different supply element too. Buying is buying - but still - there is a certain amount of danger. I have came across some very shady people in my time.

If we just wouldn't have been such asses down here in texas back in the early 80s!
 
really who cares if its legalized or not im still getting my good medicine from a very friendly doctor u know..everyone already has it at feet if they want it.
 
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Depending on where you live you may or may not be getting pure mdma, not everyone is getting clean mdma.

Do a quick google search and see how people died from ingesting "ecstasy" which actually turned out to be PMA for example.
 
methyldreams said:
really who cares if its legalized or not im still getting my good medicine from a very friendly doctor u know..everyone already has it at feet if they want it.
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How I wish THAT was true!!!! :p I haven't had anything even close to descent in like 8 months. I've only done it twice in that time frame because there is literally NOTHING around. When it is around, my guy can never seem to find it. I've had enough bad shit (meth, DXM, amp) to have learned my lesson, for sure! If MDMA was legalized, I think it would cut way down on all the bullshit that's sold as MDMA. That's a beautiful thing!!
 
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