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self defense gun

joannie_mhm said:
Why not clear your cash more regularly, and during the day?
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Not that it's relevant to the thread, but I do not use banks here. I also don''t like to keep cash where I am not. So, I take my money to and from work every evening ( real bars don't open in daytime).
 
All good advice, and I may need to reexamine my motives for getting one. I don't live in a tough neighborhood but I figure a gun is a gun is a gun, and I'd take good care of it and hold onto it for life. Perhaps not now, but at some point I'll want a quality piece of hardware because ultimately power grows from the barrel of a gun, and a well armed populace is the best defense against assholes.
 
I am only really familiar with the Browning Hi Power 9 mm as handgun, from my service as a reserve medical officer. However, I have shot my friends Glocks and Sigs, and I like the Glocks more. DAO, never miss fires, and the Glock 20 in 10 mm auto packs a hell of punch.

Now the C7/AR15 rifle, C6/M240 general machine gun and C9m249 light machine gun... they are a much better weapon but all have downsides of side, bulk and over penetration. [As does the 10 mm]

I have thankfully never fired a weapon in anger. I have always been taught however, to have my weapon within in arms reach at ALL times. This prevents the lock box rapist problem. Minimum 5 mags for box fed weapons, 1 in the mag well, with one in the snout. 4 on your belt or tac vest.

250 minimum for belt fed.
 
Glocks are my favorite, and Ive shot most of the mainstream pistols. They are just so simple, easy, comfortable, fun to shoot and the 9mm is the perfect round for self defense. Anything bigger just puts other peoples lives in danger


remember, if someone breaks into your house you cant just shoot them flat out, unless they have a gun and even then you COULD get murder
 
I personally prefer a short barreled (20") semi auto shotgun loaded with buckshot for home defense, but a handgun is fine too.. As to semi auto or revolver handgun I prefer a revolver simply because it's more reliable..less chance of misfire and can sit for 20 years and still fire.. I'd think twice about the lock box though cause nothing more useless than an unloaded gun or one that you have to spend 2 mins to access
Too the people that say ooo no not a big bad gun ..i hope for your sake the bad guy never comes knocking at your door or worse yet breaking through your window
 
I guarantee that a pump action 12 gauge loaded with buckshot will swiftly deter anyone from bothering you. Chances are if someone is trying to rob your house they probably think your gone which means that they will be at best armed with a handgun. What's a handgun compared to a shotgun? not much unless the guy with the handgun is a good quick shot and has maybe put a few people under in his time. Since such people are rare just racking a shotgun will send any right minded bugler running right out the door as fast as they can. Not many people are willing to risk getting their guts blasted all over the wall for a fucking flat screen and a stereo. So unless you've got something there that's really worth taking most people are hardly going to risk getting killed over it.

Ive lived in some pretty bad spots before and a baseball bat was enough to make me feel safe in case someone busted the door down. Although guns are pretty common in alot of parts of Canada it is very rare that they are used for home invasion purposes unless the person getting robbed has something really worth taking. Now the US is of course a whole different ball game when it comes to guns since people seem to be willing to blast the shit out of each other over fuck all.
 
Might I suggest
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kunai are better than throwing knives because they typically weigh more.
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5 foot ish dart gun with 12 inch darts will kill or deter someone as well.
alternately as previously stated just cocking a shotgun is probably going to send people running.
 
Also you don't have to use lethal rounds to deter intruders. Rock salt in a shell won't kill someone (usually :\ ) but it will make them loose any interest in you at all. I'm not too sure about the legality of fucking with ammunition like that as anyone i know who has done so really could care less about any fire arm laws.
 
It's a good idea to have a pistol and a shotgun really. Depending on the situation. As others have mentioned there are situations where you may be outgunned by multiple people breaking into your house, but if you pull out one of these motherfuckers, they may think twice about coming up your stairway. The sound of cocking it alone is damn intimidating. It'll cost you between $400-600 depending on what options you get but the Mossberg 590 (and the 500, I think they're very similar) is an awesome shotgun. They make knock offs that you can get for about $150-200 but I wouldn't trust my life to a chinese piece of shit knock off gun.

Or if you can't get to that, you should have a handgun handy (no pun intended) also. Get yourself something dependable that you're comfortable shooting. A lot of guys like the compact guns but I personally don't like the feel of them and they tend to jam easier because the smaller the gun the dirtier it is and needs to be maintained meticulously. Also don't be a hotshot and go for something gung-ho and ridiculous like a big .45 1911 or a .50 desert eagle because that's useless indoors. #1 you don't need something huge in close quarters, and 2 something with a lot of recoil is no good for a gunfight because the more it kicks the harder it is to aim.

Be sure to think about where you live too. In an apartment building, you don't want to send a bunch of buckshot into your neighbor's beedroom or something
 
Folley said:
remember, if someone breaks into your house you cant just shoot them flat out, unless they have a gun and even then you COULD get murder
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Not true in all jurisdictions. Castle doctrine type laws don't always require a threat of physical harm to be used as an affirmative defense, and even if they do, it could be argued that a person committing a crime of breaking & entering while the person is home can reasonably be suspected of having intent to cause bodily harm to the occupants in the process of committing whatever crime their goal was.

However, that said, should still look/identify target before shooting, just to ensure you're not about to shoot a cop serving a warrant, and end up getting yourself killed or in prison for life; or a family/friend in the case of it being someone just trying to be respectful and not wake you up.

I'm in favor of a panic room, along with surveillance system and remote controlled lock in system to keep the criminal in the house for the cops to do with as they please. Then again, not everyone can afford that.
 
paranoid android said:
Also you don't have to use lethal rounds to deter intruders. Rock salt in a shell won't kill someone (usually :\ ) but it will make them loose any interest in you at all. I'm not too sure about the legality of fucking with ammunition like that as anyone i know who has done so really could care less about any fire arm laws.
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Modifying ammunition is typically legal, but it isn't very smart unless you're trained in Hand loading


RecklessWOT said:
these motherfuckers
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A pistol grip? really? have you ever fired a gun, specifically,a shot gun before?
 
hiphophippy said:
A pistol grip? really? have you ever fired a gun, specifically,a shot gun before?
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hahaha

Yeah, I have. But I can tell you haven't.
I actualy own that exact shotgun, pistol grip and all. We're not talking about fucking deer hunting here, it's home defense. What are you gonna do, pull out a double with a 30" barrel, throw it up on your shoulder and aim while standing in your stairwell? Of course a pistol grip. It's shorter and easier to wield around in a tight area. It's not like the thing is a fucking cannon or a high powered rifle, sure a 12ga is a big gun but it's not like you can't hang on to the fucking thing. I mean, you still got two hands on it. Hell I can shoot the thing one handed (although I wouldn't recommend it in any real scenario, it's just for fun/ show). Seriously, think about it- they wouldn't sell pistol grips for shotguns if it was so impossible. Like "OH MY GAWD A PISTOL GRIP ARE YOU CRAZY!?" Lol this actually made me laugh in real life
 
caterva said:
PS: On that whole "racking the action on a shotgun is enough", that sort of foolishness can get people killed, and I feel the same way about less-lethal rounds. In both scenarios you just lost the element of surprise, and even gave away your general location at that. You willing to be your life on the person hearing that and bolting? Or that rock salt incapacitating him? It's your life, but I'll tell you this much, not only would I not bet mine on it, but if I were (hypothetically) in the other position, and someone hit me with a load of rock salt, I'd empty on him; not out of spite, but out of reflex. Don't try to half-ass it when firearms are involved.
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Well if it was me, I would have a rubber bullet as my round in the chamber, and 12 rounds of FMJ 9mm to back it up. Then if I have to take them down, all it takes is a quick double tap

And racking the shotgun? Well I wouldnt really do that, its just gonna waste time. Shoving a gun barrel in their face is enough to make 99% of people run, and the 1% (those bastards!) are the people your going to have to shoot in the face anyways, because their gonna have a gun too. In that case, I wouldnt waste any time and would be dropping them in a second.


I also recommend a powerful LED light, preferably with a pressure switch so you can move around the house unnoticed, and switch it on when you find the intruder



IMO though, you shouldnt even own a gun unless you own your own house. You not a man till you own property, and boys shouldnt be fucking around with guns
 
Last night, some of us army reservists got to work with the local police. I got to run a few mags down a Glock 22 .40. I was very impressed, low recoil, simple operation, and hey, .40 is good Toronto Police, It's probably good enough for whatever imagined "bump in the night" you are worried about.

But yes, I was impressed by the Glock 22.
 
I own a S&W XD .40. Got training in the military shooting the .45 and 9mm handguns so the .40 is Goldilocks for me. Once I have my own place I will add a shotgun as it, as others have said, is the best home defense weapon. Glocks are nice too. If I was a gun "nutter" I'd buy a couple of those.

In reality, given the situation I will likely never need to use any of my gun(s) due to my Krav Maga training. Knowing that I can disarm an idiot pointing a weapon at me then turn it back on them makes that feeling of "needing" a gun less so.
 
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