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Biology Sea Levels - Who Cares?

alasdairm said:
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  • Global average sea level has risen 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880.
  • In 2023, global average sea level set a new record high—101.4 mm (3.99 inches) above 1993 levels.
  • The rate of global sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.
(my emphasis, source: noaa)

so, why isn't new york underwater?

well, kind of obviously, it's because the sea level hasn't risen enough . yet.

for now, most of new york city sits well above the high tide line. most of manhattan, for example, sits between 7 to 13 feet above sea level. at the current rate, it will take about 600 years for the sea level to rise to the point where nyc is "under water" but problematic, so-called "100-year floods" could be an annual event by the mid 2050s.

alasdair
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Better y'all move to Santa Fe.
 
Well, in answer to the OP. The Dutch, the Danes, the whole of Bangladesh, The Indians and basically everyone who lives on a floodplain.

I can't speak of other nations but in the UK a LOT of houses built in the 1980s and 1990s were on well known floodplains. The developers were required to provide flood defences... but with only about 50cm to spare. I know, it's insane. But that's why the land was so cheap. I would fully expect this sort of scam to go on in other nations.

Say whatever you want about the USA - the UK is around 7 years ahead of the curve when it comes to disasters be they natural, man made or just bad luck...
 
streaM Freak said:
I understand that it's a slow process and scary to think about, but it's an eventual process, so what is the plan?
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Slow process are you serious, it was made visible to the naked eye in 30 years. Being at the beach before they supplement it with 12 million m3 of sand annually. There is no beach just the sea reaching till the sand Dune few meters above.

"More than a quarter of the Netherlands is below sea level and is vulnerable to flooding. Millions of Dutch people live and work in these areas. Working on protection against floods and storm surges is therefore a continuing necessity in the Netherlands. Together with the water boards, Rijkswaterstaat maintains the Dutch coast. By spraying sand on and just off the coast, Rijkswaterstaat keeps the coastline in place. In this way, the Netherlands remains well protected against the sea. To maintain the coast, Rijkswaterstaat uses an average of 12 million m3 of sand annually. This is comparable to 8 times stadium De Kuip filled to the brim with sand."
 
Damn. The more you know. Well it's the main reason why I watch the "news", just to be aware of what is "going on" and how people are dealing with it. Mostly I can't do anything about it but it is definitely good to know, in case something comes up where I can make use of the information. @4DQSAR

A Lot of it I have to filter out as manipulation. But I go through it in case I see something that is good to be aware of.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
Slow process are you serious, it was made visible to the naked eye in 30 years. Being at the beach before they supplement it with 12 million m3 of sand annually. There is no beach just the sea reaching till the sand Dune few meters above.

"More than a quarter of the Netherlands is below sea level and is vulnerable to flooding. Millions of Dutch people live and work in these areas. Working on protection against floods and storm surges is therefore a continuing necessity in the Netherlands. Together with the water boards, Rijkswaterstaat maintains the Dutch coast. By spraying sand on and just off the coast, Rijkswaterstaat keeps the coastline in place. In this way, the Netherlands remains well protected against the sea. To maintain the coast, Rijkswaterstaat uses an average of 12 million m3 of sand annually. This is comparable to 8 times stadium De Kuip filled to the brim with sand."
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I've heard of the sand thing, that's so fucking crazy that we even have to do that.

Its a scary thought because, should we be trusting our really smart scientists that they have a plan behind the scenes, or should I be worried that the smartest of them got poached to help the world die from a small handful of spiritual maniacs who think the only way forward is Devine intervention?
 
Might wanna add that the enslaved colony s that are still under our care. The Carribean island s protested the Dutch protecting their precious coast line and substantially adding to global warming and sea level rise which is happening saw it with my own eye. Indisputable imo. But doing little there while their feet are getting wetter year by year.

They took it to a court kinda thing to force the Dutch to act on.

https://watersnoodmuseum.nl/en/wate...s/what-does-climate-change-mean-the-caribbean

Totally English that museum 'Flood musea' translated lighlty is on the bathtub in the sea i live on. Zeeland, or sea land.
 
streaM Freak said:
I've heard of the sand thing, that's so fucking crazy that we even have to do that.

Its a scary thought because, should we be trusting our really smart scientists that they have a plan behind the scenes, or should I be worried that the smartest of them got poached to help the world die from a small handful of spiritual maniacs who think the only way forward is Devine intervention?
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Feel like carrying water to the sea a temp solution. This climate crisis well not hopeful.
 
4DQSAR said:
floodplain.
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The flood of '52 sorry '53 comes to mind that hit UK pretty bad. And large part s of the Netherlands. It just came up the Thames and rammed the flood thing s easy. just like were i live now. most my fam live below sea level .

only me and my granny 100+ live a few feet above it. Freaky business. The museum became a sort of international expertise gathering point. Website in perfect English.

https://watersnoodmuseum.nl/en/the-flood/the-storm
 
alasdairm said:
just as well the great flood and noah's ark are works of fiction...

alasdair
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There's to much cultural narratives passed down through civilization, orally then written on clay for there not to have been a significant flood event

Doggerland for instance and the path from Asia to the Americas though timelines are different in their particular case ,but there must have been tremendous sea level rises
 
Some good news concerning the Caribbean s that are under Dutch care. Aruba/ Bonaire/ Curacao the most well known the ABC islands. So Bonaire is working on it.

https://vu.nl/en/about-vu/more-about/the-impacts-of-climate-change-on-bonaire-2022-2023

Brought the thing to court and won. Officially called violating human right s. This quote kinda explains the situation nicely: “There is no good reason why measures for the inhabitants of Bonaire, who will be affected by climate change sooner and more severely, should be taken later and less systematically than for the inhabitants of the European part of the Netherlands.” So the gouvernement is now double pushed to work on climate measures. 🤙

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/28/climate/netherlands-bonaire-climate-ruling.html
 
alasdairm said:
just as well the great flood and noah's ark are works of fiction...

alasdair
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Tbf it is a funny coincidence that nearly all genuine cultures (excluding the "young" ones eg Europeans) have a story involving a great flood. The established historical narrative has many inconvenient plot holes.
 
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streaM Freak said:
I've heard of the sand thing, that's so fucking crazy that we even have to do that.
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After some digging it turned out that longitudinal dam/ dikes at the sea and ports. Costal protections, have a big influence. Before this natura deposited sand. Maybe we gonna work on that with artificial approaches . creating sand dunes before the cost.

So that washing away of the beach has more then one cause, It does look confronting. But it is after the Autumn storms and winter.

Gonna keep a eye on the Dutch Caribbean . The court in The Hague ruled in their favor but the government have till ~May 3rd for higher appeal. Delay tactic s. Would be a real national shame if they do that. Will not look nice.
 
streaM Freak said:
Put out the fires...
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You mean the manufactured crises (arson, climate chángē, wars) as a convenient problem-reaction-solution- whats the solution? Green electric cars, renewables; solar panels on farmland is a popular idea in the UK. They call it "net zero" and it turns economies into dust.
 
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