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[Salvia Subthread] Salvia not Working

Huh, this is the fourth "salvia doesn't work for me thread" to appear or get bumped in about a week. Assuming this is a coincidence and that a massive crop of bunk salvia hasn't been saturating the market recently, I'll just say again that a substantial portion of people simply do not get visions with salvia even with ridiculous doses. It's a shame, but if you've tried a few different sources at ever-higher extract levels already then there's not much that can be done about it. Sorry.

400X is 100 percent salvinorin A, assuming the standard 2.5 mg of salvinorin A in every 1 g of leaf.
 
^dude, I gotta say, you have a way with words on this subject. I still haven't tried this out yet but I think I have all the info I need. Which is obviously of no help as soon as it hits haha. That's ok though. It makes preperation easier.

Are all Ppl on here self taught or what? I see this kind of research as my path.
 
personally i don't enjoy salvia, although I must say I didn't give it quite as much go as you did. tried a bowl of 5x once or twice, really didn't like the instant sideways gravity and paranoia. never tried for higher doses because i didn't feel that it was for me.

quidding plain leaf for me was a nice mild buzz, you should also be able to quid the extract.
i would say try one more smoked trial after you establish a buzz from quid, but if that doesn't work then give it up, it's not for you... maybe try finding some elf-spice :)
 
There are about 4000 active topics on Salvia not working and one of these days Ima merge em.

But would you all please use the search engine. :(
 
psood0nym said:
^Can you elaborate a bit on what your question is?
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Sorry that was so vague.

What I meant was, all this information about the way drugs work, the Chemistry behind them, etc. Basically the knowledge of them as a whole. By what method has it been accumulated? I research, I read, I take notes. Perhaps I'm just behind.
 
First time experience 5x Salvia
bong, torch lighter.
wife as sitter

first attempt -something happened - visuals , felt strange, a heavy pressure almost like a missile launched inside me, but didn't go anywhere, just calmed to nothing.

Second attempt, a little more about 0.1 g - for a brief time I was utterly out of reality, slowly it all reassembled itself. I remember being so happy just to be back sitting on the sofa which of course I had never left.

Wow! intense!

I remember saying
"This is strong!"
a bit later
"I did not expect that"

Actually that night the experience came back to me at various leels of strength as I was hovering between sleepand wakefulness. I think then some of the effects that I read about the native Mexicans looking for actually ocured. Memories from years ago, thoughts about how to be heathier. the next day or two there was a pleasant residual effect.


It reminds me of eating Chile - like - ouch! but it clears your system out.

Hopefully this can become a weekly ritual as I delve deeper.
 
FrenchMachine said:
Salvia Divinorum shows you what it wants, when it wants. When you are ready it will work.

I always find it funny how many people think that just because they buy a bag of Salvia they are entitled to some deep, meaningful experience.
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Hmm, considering how many people end up traumatized during their first experience, it seems like many who clearly were not ready for a powerful experience have had it anyways. I'm skeptical of the idea that psychological barriers are preventing salvia from working because the nature of the trip tends to be so far removed from anything relevant to the user's personal life (not to mention resisting is like trying to stop a freight train). I'd buy that argument for something like being ready for a peak experience that starts with forgiving an abusive parent during an LSD trip, but not riding the conveyor belt through dimension Q on salvia. I think resistance must mostly owe to physiology.
 
Failed 40x "Horse Killer" Salvia trip. What am I doing wrong? Solve the mystery.

Hello!

I found some 40x salvia and a bong at a local headshop and I was so excited I planned to rip reality apart and it was going to be so awesome. Well it didn't really work. I used an acrylic bong about 30cm high. I used a torch lighter, and smoked 1/4 gram in total. At first I smoked a tiny amount, expecting rapture, but nothing happened. Frustrated, I put half the product in and expected the end of the world. I held the smoke in for a good 30 seconds. I did feel something, but very mild. I felt like something was pushing on my back, and I felt like I was shrinking... which was a very nice and non threatening feeling, but unfortunately only lasted a minute. No hallucinations. Frustrated, I smoked the rest expecting little, and nothing else happened.

I've never used a bong before, so my first thought is that I used the bong incorrectly. Here's some questions...

- am I supposed to cover the little finger hole on the side of the bong? I assumed I'm supposed to cover it. Why is that hole even there if you cover it?

- did I light the stuff incorrectly? How do you properly light salvia? Do I just graze the flame over it for a short time and then inhale? I kind of tried holding the flame over the salvia as I inhaled, as I heard it's supposed to be really hot. I burned a hole right through the steel netting. Shit. I probably lost some salvia right in to the pipe.

- did I fill the bong with too much water? I don't know if water level matters.

- Does it matter how far the pipe goes down in to the bong? In the one I got, the pipe goes really deep down, I don't know if that matters.

I was so disappointed. I thought for sure it would work. I even thought I was being stupid by solo smoking 40x for my first time and I thought I had enough product for a good 4 sessions at least.
 
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salvia has been known for A) reverse tolerance or "learned effect" meaning you will get more out of it each time you try it and B) some people simply don't get along with it or feel anything.

as far as proper bong technique, i'm sure there's a new thread in CD every day...

you want the downstem to go as far down in the water chamber as possible.
water level should be just above the lowest point of the downstem.
more water can cool the smoke better, but water will take up space that you want for smoke.
the hole is called a 'carb' and it should be covered while you are applying flame.
while heating the herb, draw SLOWLY with the mouthpiece. this is known as 'milking'.
when the smoke chamber is completely filled with milky smoke, take your mouth off the bong and EXHALE. this will clear your lungs for the hit.
take your finger off the carb and inhale the smoke deeply into your lungs. you should be able to draw fresh air on top of your hit to force it even deeper into your lungs.
hold and enjoy.
 
Dr Pepper said:
youtube is your friend.
In this case a video is worth 1000+ words.
Or get an experience toker over (someone who wont fuck with you while ur tripping sack) and learn via example.
Edit: heres a video of someone smoking salvia from a bong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHyaJJhDQSk
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Thanks, from that I learned to inhale slower, and it looks like he actually did keep the flame on the herb for quite a while. I still don't know what the little hole on the side is for.
 
greenmeanies said:
salvia has been known for A) reverse tolerance or "learned effect" meaning you will get more out of it each time you try it and B) some people simply don't get along with it or feel anything.

as far as proper bong technique, i'm sure there's a new thread in CD every day...

you want the downstem to go as far down in the water chamber as possible.
water level should be just above the lowest point of the downstem.
more water can cool the smoke better, but water will take up space that you want for smoke.
the hole is called a 'carb' and it should be covered while you are applying flame.
while heating the herb, draw SLOWLY with the mouthpiece. this is known as 'milking'.
when the smoke chamber is completely filled with milky smoke, take your mouth off the bong and EXHALE. this will clear your lungs for the hit.
take your finger off the carb and inhale the smoke deeply into your lungs. you should be able to draw fresh air on top of your hit to force it even deeper into your lungs.
hold and enjoy.
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I see. So I did it totally wrong then bc I covered the carb the whole time. I also read you're supposed to take the slide out after milking it. Why do that and not just leave it on?
 
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If it has a hole it means you leave the slide in and hold the hold down till smoke fills the chamber, then you release the hole to clear the smoke. Acryllic bongs are crappy and normally the slides are fixed in, hence the carb.
 
true. quality glass bongs will not have a carb, thus you pull the slide out to clear a hit.

just for reference, when smoking weed out of a bong, it is incredibly poor form to pass the bong while there is still smoke in it.
 
It's always best to use an empty bong (i.e. no water) with salvia. Also, it's better to hit it as hard as you can and as fast as you can. The first time I broke through with salvia, I used a cheap plastic bong without water, salvia 10x, and a Bic lighter. I put in half of the gram of salvia and ripped it as hard as I could, and I still can't even recall the flame from the lighter touching the bowl. I've read a lot about torch lighters working best for salvia, which may very well be the case if you're not hitting it hard enough, but I've never used a torch lighter with salvia and I've had many devastating salvia trips with salvia 10x, an empty $9.99 plastic bong, and a regular Bic lighter.

On the other hand, I've had friends that've used this same bong with the same salvia that got absolutely no effects which I attribute to not hitting it right. Holding the lighter over the bowl and taking 5 seconds to clear it just isn't going to work most of the time. You want the stuff to burn as fast as possible at the highest temperature possible, while getting all of the smoke in your lungs. Spreading out a quarter, half, or near a gram of salvia over the course of multiple seconds is just going to make you lose your material.

So.. My advice is to not use water in the bong and hit the stuff as quick as you possibly can, THEN worry about holding the smoke in (if you're even able to reason at that point). The times I've broken through on salvia, I was fighting for dear life before I could even taste/feel the smoke that I inhaled. I always just remember flicking the lighter, starting to inhale, and then getting shredded by wheels/turn styles/carnival music/grocery store signs/my childhood.
 
I've never had a problem breaking through given that i've had a torch, bong, screen, and i've held in my hits for at least 30 seconds.. and i've always used water... then again maybe i should try again without water and see where that takes me..
 
The reason I suggest a bong without water is because it just speeds up the procedure of the smoke going from the material into your lungs. When salvia was first becoming popular, a lot of people were saying to never use water if you're using a bong because of water solubility issues, but I really don't think that's the case because I know lots of people who use water in their bongs with salvia and still break through. Fumbling around, taking forever to completely light the salvia and then taking a long time to inhale all of the smoke is going to lessen the effects of the salvia, and I'm sure that goes with smoking any substance.
 
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