Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?
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What’s next after Russia’s defeat in Ukraine’s Donetsk?
Criticism rises in Russia as Ukrainian forces celebrate their recapture of Lyman, an important eastern town.
I checked the facts here from many news sites in non-aligned nations. Can the Russian military really have lost 1.5 million winter uniforms? I believe it IS in the Russian media also. Just another sign of corruption. Does anyone imagine that a Russian tank driver DOESN'T know the range of his vehicle with only 1/2 a load of fuel? That is how Ukraine captured 740 tanks & 960 military vehicles in total.
BTW Even Roman soldiers were taught to destroy anything they had to leave behind but this is evidently not within Russian training.
As far as I can tell, Russian troops were only taught how to fight a full scale war against NATO and they simply have neither the training nor the tools for such as the Ukraine war. I checked what nuclear weapons Russia has and it seems that the SMALLEST is 100kt. They just did not imagine a situation in which their own troops would be close enough for such a large warhead to be a danger. MAYBE Russia has 'dial a yield' weapons but as far as I can tell, the US presumes they do without any evidence.
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What, somewhere in the largest nation on earth? It won't end the war, it will just hasten Russia being bankrupted and sold for scrap to China.
Believe me, I do not relish Russia using what it terms 'low yield;'. We tend to think that tactical is 1-2 kt but almost all of their inventory is 100kt+ with the Iskander M managing ONLY 50kt. Enough to ensure Russia itself gets a fair amount of fallout.
I think in the nearer future, Russian forces better get south of the Dnieper river. The bridges are almost destroyed (no heavy units can cross) and the emergency ferries can only carry a limited number of troops.
If Russia just kept Crimea and withdrew everywhere else, it could happily CLAIM that the NeoNazi forces have been destroyed. I do not think Ukraine would feel the need to argue over it. But still the same aims are repeated in the face of losses.
Anyone noted that Ukrainian leaders are not given to statements? If you look at any of the interactive war maps you would think Russia was storming ahead, but it's merely the fact that the Kremlin keeps on making statements like announcing that they shelled an area.
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Helium-Neon lasers are the only high-energy lasers that exist in the yellow part of the visible spectrum. Now the US cannot be unaware of such weapons (and I think the weapons are designed to destroy the CCDs that convert light into electrical data).
But their are organic compounds that absorb very narrow frequencies of light and then radiate them as heat.
It will be hard to know if such weapons work. I don't think the NRO will give data.
BUT to be fair, Russia has heavily invested in Helium-Neon lasers.
Ironic that over 50% of neon is isolated IN Ukraine.
But their are organic compounds that absorb very narrow frequencies of light and then radiate them as heat.
It will be hard to know if such weapons work. I don't think the NRO will give data.
BUT to be fair, Russia has heavily invested in Helium-Neon lasers.
Ironic that over 50% of neon is isolated IN Ukraine.
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Ye...that's why so many deaths my friend.Nobody care about some democracy&freedome..Bullshit.Only about profit,sphere of influence&changing the geoglobal politic spheres.Sending weapons there the war will continiue-somethingvthat wants all greedy bloody elits...no one fuckin cares about dead,crying babies,oldmen&children.Bloody,bloody hypocricy.Roger Waters tolld it...and many like him....this way the war would get bloodier&bloodier.I hope russians throw the nuke and everythin' goes to hell.There is some very sick in modern societies.And this madness must ends.....personally don't see any options except total anihilation.I am tellin' you this like a father and u can call me crazy.Therevisn't a solution.The planet goes in free downfall.All(I mean ALL in this was is in favour of U.S......like the previous two great wars too.Sick man...i am sick,can't sleep and still fuckin'alive.Very tired
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Has anyone else zoomed in to the south east of Lyman? Around 46º 07' 32.2'' N 34º 18' 07.4'' E. I'm presume if I know it (presuming the map is true) then the Russian forces know it. I don't have a clue how many troops and how much equipment each side has in this area, but it does appear that Ukrainian forces seek to cut off the Crimea & surround forces in the west.
That has the capacity to be the battle that decides the conflict. Very risky for both sides.
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It is getting scary. If Putin thinks he will need to do somethig, he will do it.
At the end of the day, it wouldn't be the first time that a nuclear power nukes a non nuclear country in order to end a war, to "save our guys' lives", you know. It has already happened. Twice.
I am not an political expert, but what we are facing here is that Moscow, New York, London, St Petersbourgh, Paris, LA, Washington... are going to dissapear. As simple as that. Millions of dead and the end of our civilization. A high price for some ucranian towns, if you ask me
I blame Putin for the brutal invasion and Kiev for all the murdery shit they hide under the carpet, but that is a Slavic matter. World has seen WWI over a slavic country (Austrian occuped Bosnia) and WWII over another one (german invaded Poland), do de really need the Third over Ucraine?. I wonder how many of us were aware of what Jerson was a year ago...but today we all are expected to die for it.
But I also blame the way West is behaving, risking everybody and everything.
Southwestern and Southeastern European countries have been invaded and colonized by turkish and arabs for centuries.
France had its defeats and land losing to germans and british, Germany saw the country destroyed and shared between its enemys, UK has been invaded also... and they all seem to have forgoten.
And americans leaders don't know yet.
They think we are in the past, when two oceans protected them. Not anymore, intercontinental nukes don't give a shit about where are you.
At the end of the day, it wouldn't be the first time that a nuclear power nukes a non nuclear country in order to end a war, to "save our guys' lives", you know. It has already happened. Twice.
I am not an political expert, but what we are facing here is that Moscow, New York, London, St Petersbourgh, Paris, LA, Washington... are going to dissapear. As simple as that. Millions of dead and the end of our civilization. A high price for some ucranian towns, if you ask me
I blame Putin for the brutal invasion and Kiev for all the murdery shit they hide under the carpet, but that is a Slavic matter. World has seen WWI over a slavic country (Austrian occuped Bosnia) and WWII over another one (german invaded Poland), do de really need the Third over Ucraine?. I wonder how many of us were aware of what Jerson was a year ago...but today we all are expected to die for it.
But I also blame the way West is behaving, risking everybody and everything.
Southwestern and Southeastern European countries have been invaded and colonized by turkish and arabs for centuries.
France had its defeats and land losing to germans and british, Germany saw the country destroyed and shared between its enemys, UK has been invaded also... and they all seem to have forgoten.
And americans leaders don't know yet.
They think we are in the past, when two oceans protected them. Not anymore, intercontinental nukes don't give a shit about where are you.
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As I have mentioned before, Jeffery Lewis (a well respected analyst in the field of nuclear weapons) keeps a close eye on Putin's personal life. Putin is not about to kill himself and everyone else. He enjoys his huge palaces, his collections, his hobbies and so forth. He likes luxury, he likes being alive. Most analysts are certain Nikolai Patrushev will be the next president. Patrushev is one of the few people still in Putin's inner circle and would most certainly allow Putin to avoid any legal or other action against him. Nobody would win a world war. Few would survive and those that did would end up in the stone age.
I suspect that even within Putin's inner circle their isn't anyone willing to die, to see everyone they know die and see Russia destroyed utterly.
It isn't like Russia is facing an existential threat. Nobody is planning to invade, nobody is planning on attacking them. In those circumstances, then nuclear weapons would be used in great numbers, but as it is, it's just a misjudged invasion that has shown how corrupt & incompetent the Russian military is. It's an embarrassment.
Last week it was announced that 1.5 million winter uniforms had 'disappeared' and so as I understand it, they will struggle as winter sets in. But if they leave, I don't think any Russian soldiers will face charges of war crimes much less Ukraine getting any reparations. So while it's terrible politically, it isn't going to end in a world war.
Lastly, China is going to be the nation Russia will fear the most. Russia has a very weak high-tech sector and cannot produce processors of any size. If Russia used 1 tactical nuclear weapon, it would give China a good reason to Sanction them. That would see their industry totally decimated and since only China would know when sanctions would end, only Chinese investors would buy... and they would buy it ALL. Without a shot being fired, China can destroy Russia financially.
But if you are so sure, I recommend you sell all of your possessions, max out all of your credit cards and enjoy whatever time you think you have left. For myself, I'm just going to presume that the war cannot last through this winter and hope that it ends sooner rather than later since people are dying purely for vanity.
I suspect that even within Putin's inner circle their isn't anyone willing to die, to see everyone they know die and see Russia destroyed utterly.
It isn't like Russia is facing an existential threat. Nobody is planning to invade, nobody is planning on attacking them. In those circumstances, then nuclear weapons would be used in great numbers, but as it is, it's just a misjudged invasion that has shown how corrupt & incompetent the Russian military is. It's an embarrassment.
Last week it was announced that 1.5 million winter uniforms had 'disappeared' and so as I understand it, they will struggle as winter sets in. But if they leave, I don't think any Russian soldiers will face charges of war crimes much less Ukraine getting any reparations. So while it's terrible politically, it isn't going to end in a world war.
Lastly, China is going to be the nation Russia will fear the most. Russia has a very weak high-tech sector and cannot produce processors of any size. If Russia used 1 tactical nuclear weapon, it would give China a good reason to Sanction them. That would see their industry totally decimated and since only China would know when sanctions would end, only Chinese investors would buy... and they would buy it ALL. Without a shot being fired, China can destroy Russia financially.
But if you are so sure, I recommend you sell all of your possessions, max out all of your credit cards and enjoy whatever time you think you have left. For myself, I'm just going to presume that the war cannot last through this winter and hope that it ends sooner rather than later since people are dying purely for vanity.
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Kremlin has determined zelenksys speech about premptive strikes on Russia to be a declaration of nuclear war. Bye bye KYIV and the clown actor.
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Would like to agree but can't.
Ucraine and the West will get cocky and Kiev will be part of NATO and that will eventually become a existential thread for Russia.
As for those reports of intelligence that say Putin want to live and enjoy his money come from the same sources that months ago told us he was sick, actually dying and wanted the world to die with him...
There are different people in the inner circle, it could be Patrushev or an anonimous FSB ex officer. No one saw Putin comning back in the day, they called him a " grey g- man" as they didn't have a clue about him, if you remember.
As for selling my possessions and Max out my credit cards, well, I have done that very thing long time ago ro fund my drug habits.
You are posting in BL, not in the Lancet, mate...
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Well, I only take prescribed medication, I just design RCs.
Joining NATO is hardly an overnight move, it takes years - especially for Ukraine. Apparently corruption is still an issue, NATO will not accept a nation that is currently at war (so Ukraine's recent application is pointless) and NATO is not unaware of Russia's view. It's much more likely that in the end a relationship somewhat like Sweden's relationship with NATO is now.
I do not see Putin in power by then. I DO see China owning Russia by then. The geopolitics will be TOTALLY different. I don't say western investors won't buy some share of Russian businesses, but China will have a huge advantage. After all, whatever you say about Raegan, he DID make the USSR bankrupt itself trying to keep up with 'star wars'. Notice Putin has tried to do it back to the US with Status-6, Petrel and other doomsday weapons, but the US response has been the 'common reentry body' which MaRVs it's MIRVs. It defeats anti-ballistic missiles. That's enough.
I've tried to be reasonable and suggest that Russia might keep hold of Crimea, but that is looking more and more doubtful. BUT I dare say that if Russia would accept just keeping that area - the one that is mainly people of Russian extraction, it would save a lot of bloodshed.
I still haven't forgotten Malaysia Flight 7... but I suspect it WILL be overlooked if peace is achieved.
Joining NATO is hardly an overnight move, it takes years - especially for Ukraine. Apparently corruption is still an issue, NATO will not accept a nation that is currently at war (so Ukraine's recent application is pointless) and NATO is not unaware of Russia's view. It's much more likely that in the end a relationship somewhat like Sweden's relationship with NATO is now.
I do not see Putin in power by then. I DO see China owning Russia by then. The geopolitics will be TOTALLY different. I don't say western investors won't buy some share of Russian businesses, but China will have a huge advantage. After all, whatever you say about Raegan, he DID make the USSR bankrupt itself trying to keep up with 'star wars'. Notice Putin has tried to do it back to the US with Status-6, Petrel and other doomsday weapons, but the US response has been the 'common reentry body' which MaRVs it's MIRVs. It defeats anti-ballistic missiles. That's enough.
I've tried to be reasonable and suggest that Russia might keep hold of Crimea, but that is looking more and more doubtful. BUT I dare say that if Russia would accept just keeping that area - the one that is mainly people of Russian extraction, it would save a lot of bloodshed.
I still haven't forgotten Malaysia Flight 7... but I suspect it WILL be overlooked if peace is achieved.
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