Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

[Fertile]

And NATO will say no. Like it did to declaring a no-fly zone.

 

[Señor Moreno]

Guess he wants NATO to nuke Russia first

We all know who and what Putin is.
But this guy? Who is this guy?
He was a comedian, then he is a president disguissed as a warrior, garden variety.
If Putin talks shit about nazis, he is a jew at the sinagoga, but wait, here comes Easter, so he goes to an orthodox church with a candle...

In the meanwhile, the comedian president of one of the most corrupted and poor countries in Europe, is on Pandora or Panama papers, as he has his dirty money far away from his beloved motherland.

Here you have the next Nobel Peace Price...

 

[PtahTek]

We all know who and what Putin is.

Do we?
Do we really ewer know?
No dif from the chaps we got in the us of a
fuck it ever saw such a turn around? lol
sorry always for the underdog....

 

[assclass]

Do we?
Do we really ewer know?

Lot's of people who didn't think or know about Putin before February suddenly know what he thinks.
I've put in dozens of hours studying Dugin, and am not an expert by any means, but 99% of the shit said on social media from blue check marks is fucking wrong. Like the kind of dumb ass easily verifiable in peoples public speech wrong. You can go back and find all his speeches and get a pretty good idea of what he is saying and how it connects to what he is doing.
You can even get the transcripts from the CIA, err radio free europe.... https://www.rferl.org/a/daily-verti...rs-ago-today-putin-declared-war/28302079.html

 

[Electrum1]

Lot's of people who didn't think or know about Putin before February suddenly know what he thinks.
I've put in dozens of hours studying Dugin, and am not an expert by any means, but 99% of the shit said on social media from blue check marks is fucking wrong. Like the kind of dumb ass easily verifiable in peoples public speech wrong. You can go back and find all his speeches and get a pretty good idea of what he is saying and how it connects to what he is doing.
You can even get the transcripts from the CIA, err radio free europe.... https://www.rferl.org/a/daily-verti...rs-ago-today-putin-declared-war/28302079.html

You see yesterday where the U.S. said they think it was Ukraine that killed Dugins daughter in that car bomb?

 

[PtahTek]

Lot's of people who didn't think or know about Putin before February suddenly know what he thinks.
I've put in dozens of hours studying Dugin, and am not an expert by any means, but 99% of the shit said on social media from blue check marks is fucking wrong. Like the kind of dumb ass easily verifiable in peoples public speech wrong. You can go back and find all his speeches and get a pretty good idea of what he is saying and how it connects to what he is doing.
You can even get the transcripts from the CIA, err radio free europe.... https://www.rferl.org/a/daily-verti...rs-ago-today-putin-declared-war/28302079.html

I get it, man.
But to put the info out there for the unknowing is a plus, imo. also goes waaaay da fk back
not an anti and hate wiki but sometimes there is some good shit just sayin
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[assclass]

You see yesterday where the U.S. said they think it was Ukraine that killed Dugins daughter in that car bomb?

yeah.
This is what happens when no one is in charge.
There seems to be a few factions in the US government. People who want the war to continue as it is, $$$. People who are terrified they have awakened the Bear and are going to cause instability abroad and at home by starting a BFW (Big Fucking War). And then there are the truly special evil cunts, who want to increase the war and finally fight it out with the Russians.
If people in US Intel leaked that Ukraine was responsible for the assassination of Dugins daughter, it could be a warning to not escalate. But to me, it's the kind of thing that you don't want to make public and the fact that it happened, is actually more telling about the current White House and Washington than anything else.
If anyone is interested here is an old clip I found recently that is pretty interesting. https://www.tvo.org/video/michael-millerman-who-is-alexander-dugin This millerman guy has done a lot of videos on youtube about the topic, im still learning but its fascinating.

 

[PtahTek]

This is what happens when no one is in charge.

Yeah well best to ya.
Imma be right here beside mine and if a homie (can i say that) wanna push f it} nothin new
concrete jungle




sorry for all the edits kinda coffee shake and ate chicken tacos but my eat a few gabap

 

[Señor Moreno]

Lot's of people who didn't think or know about Putin before February suddenly know what he thinks.
I've put in dozens of hours studying Dugin, and am not an expert by any means, but 99% of the shit said on social media from blue check marks is fucking wrong. Like the kind of dumb ass easily verifiable in peoples public speech wrong. You can go back and find all his speeches and get a pretty good idea of what he is saying and how it connects to what he is doing.
You can even get the transcripts from the CIA, err radio free europe.... https://www.rferl.org/a/daily-verti...rs-ago-today-putin-declared-war/28302079.html

You see yesterday where the U.S. said they think it was Ukraine that killed Dugins daughter in that car bomb?

Duguin got the western focus on him, but he is far from being the only one with that kind of imperialist ideas in Russia. It is not the case.
People like Limonov have had dreams about nationalbolshevism (weird soviet-nazi party included), also national political leaders like Zhirinowsky have talked about rebuliding a nationalism kind of USSR, he even had in his party that other guy, Lugovoy, wanted in UK for the poissoning of Litvinenko.
There are more dudes whith the imperial mindset of Duguin and Putin, allways have been since 1991.
To be honest, they are not different to Condoleeza Rice, Madeleine Albright, Rumsfeld...
They all think their country has a special right to rule the fucking world.

 

[Fertile]

I think assclass is right. The US KNOWS it's going to make a fortune. All of those former Soviet states can no longer rely on spares or support for any Soviet/Russian kit they currently use. The US has given the bare minimum to Ukraine to show how much better it's conventional weapons are. BIG client states like India will realize that Pakistan (a nation with quite a lot of US arms) is at an advantage.

But it's still important to note that MOST of the armour Ukraine has is stuff Russian troops abandoned. Even Roman troops were taught to destroy anything that could be of use to the enemy... but evidently it isn't Russian military doctrine and/or the crews really have such low morale that they panic and run. I do NOT believe Russian tank drivers do not know the range of their vehicle if it only has a half-load of fuel. They KNOW they are being ordered to places that they don't have the fuel to get back from. That will certainly lower morale. They are victims of Russian military corruption. It's even a joke that in the Russian army, fuel is the second currency. Funny and maybe embarrassing in peace time, but run out of fuel on a battlefield and you die. They see themselves as 'smoked meat' (Russian idiom for 'cannon fodder'.

Ukraine could end up as the next Afghanistan with a protracted war. The Ukrainians know from history that the Russians are not above deporting a whole nation of people wholesale and dumping them onto the arctic steppe to die. They did it to the Ingush, the did it to the Chechens, they did it to the Lithuanians, they did it to the Taters, they did it to the Meskhesian Turks, the Klymaks and the Karacheys... and they did it to the Ukranians... TWICE.

So it's reasonable to suggest that the Ukrainians see fighting as the only alternative to being sent on death marches, which apparently IS happening. Of course, it seems like more Russians are choosing to leave their home rather than become 'smoked meat'. I say apparently because civilians are sent to Russia an really nobody knows where they go. The UN has been refused entry to check. But with all of the mass graves around Ukraine, we really could discover that mass killing are occuring within Russia. If Russia is treating them well, they would benefit from proving it.

Of course, NOBODY really knows what President Putin is thinking. He IS trying to suggest that 'the west' seeks to invade and destroy Russia... the largest nation on earth which has seen many invasions with the same outcome. He explanation is more or less 'well, the west is just evil'. If he had said 'to get out huge reserves or natural resources' or 'to take our land to settle' or such, that would at least be understandable. But I presume he thinks he knows his audience. That said, nobody predicted how many potential conscripts would leave (Russia admits to 419,000 but based on many non-aligned news sources, a figure of 700,000 is common).

The course of the war is largely going to be based on morale. In many previous wars military commanders have realized that for every soldier you need 3-4 more people to provide fuel, food, kit, logistics and infrastructure during a war (it's about 1 to 1 in peace time) . Wars place a massive strain on a nations economy.

I'm pretty sure the US in particular has just used the tactic it has used against the Soviet Union and then Russia since the 1980s. Outspend the enemy. Star wars would NEVER work, but it was enough to bankrupt a paranoid nation. Putin has tried to reverse the move with Status-6, Petrel and other doomsday weapons, but the US response has been the VERY moderate Common Reentry Body that adds MaRV to the MIRVS. No hypersonic glide vehicles, no doomsday weapons.

Lets face it, if Russia simply withdrew it's troops (or moves them all to Crimea) then I do not see Ukraine going after Russia. Politically very embarrassing, but Ukraine is NOT about to enter NATO and almost certainly never will. A solution like Sweden will end up being the compromise.

But in reality, it's China that is Russia's greatest threat. Since Russia has only a tiny semiconductor industry, it now entirely depends on China to supply those vital bits of high-tech. Look at what a fire at 1 semiconductor factory has done to the semiconductor supply-chain. Now imagine ALL of the semiconductor factories burning down. It would be the greatest disaster of the 21st century. Whole industries would collapse overnighs. Millions out of work, breakdowns can no longer be fixed so it gets worse and worse. Now, if you can leverage THAT then you control the customer. That is why nations try to have their own semiconductor industry and use many nations in their supply-chain.

Right now China will be buying up massive amounts of Russian reserves at very favourable terms. They could decide to sanction Russia if it used a nuclear weapon and just a few weeks gap in the supply chain would wreak havoc. China holds all of the aces. China is Russia's largest trading partner (13.8%) but when you take away EU and US sanctioned trade, it's suddenly more like 35% and increasing in crucial areas like semiconductors.

EDIT - sorry, there were a few spelling errors.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

putin is preparing russian society for the use of nuclear weapons. Its gonna happen. Even biden said this is worse than the cuban missile crisis. He went off his written speech and now the lying mf democrats say o no it isnt.

That why every country is stocking up on potassium iodide?

 

[Fertile]

Ignorant people don't seem to know 131I has a very short half-life. It the radioiodine is going to get you, other radionucleotides are going to do a LOT more.

I think Biden has simply used the statement to ensure nations like India and China will remain on-side. Telling the public is of no material value.

Let us not forget Chernobyl is in Ukraine, not Russia. That produced 400x more fallout that the 2 bombs dropped on Japan.

Lots of posturing - but no action.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

We all know who and what Putin is.
But this guy? Who is this guy?
He was a comedian, then he is a president disguissed as a warrior, garden variety.
If Putin talks shit about nazis, he is a jew at the sinagoga, but wait, here comes Easter, so he goes to an orthodox church with a candle...

In the meanwhile, the comedian president of one of the most corrupted and poor countries in Europe, is on Pandora or Panama papers, as he has his dirty money far away from his beloved motherland.

Here you have the next Nobel Peace Price...

i know right?

you would think the comedian would be dead and they'd all be speaking Russian by now


but he's still alive and rooskies are retreating

 

[Señor Moreno]

i know right?

you would think the comedian would be dead and they'd all be speaking Russian by now


but he's still alive and rooskies are retreating

Well, Mr Krinkle, I don't thing the guy is exactly Julius Caesar. Not really.
I think you and me would win this war with all the western support that the dude has had.
Only the US, only in May, only in one go, has sent him 40 billlion$.
Don't know by now, but you bet is well over 100 billions, probably much more.
(oh, they also gave 65 million$ to buy ucranian grain to be sent to Africa in August, also in one go, you know)

 

[Señor Moreno]

Well, Mr Krinkle, I don't thing the guy is exactly Julius Caesar. Not really.
I think you and me would win this war with all the western support that the dude has had.
Only the US, only in May, only in one go, has sent him 40 billlion$.
Don't know by now, but you bet is well over 100 billions, probably much more.
(oh, they also gave 65 million$ to buy ucranian grain to be sent to Africa in August, also in one go, you know)

Also, western support or not western support, who really are winning this war is the ucranian army and dozens of thousands of ucranian people who are giving their live for their motherland.
Good old Volodimir is doing what any a tor/ comedian has to do: just pretendig.
Pretending to be a warrior dressing as one (Churchill didn't need to dress like Rambo to fight fucking WWII. Lenin or Jomeini did their revolutions using their daily looks)
Pretending to be jew and orthodox at once.

People are winning this war, but they need to think they have a leader, nobody likes to think they are fighting a proxy war for NATO while they die to liberate their country.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

they're not fighting a proxy war - Ukraine was invaded by the Russians and all they're doing is defending their home any way they can

every country has a face for a leader


would you prefer they had somebody else as the "leader" of their country?


it's as if you're disappointed that the Russians are failing

 

[Señor Moreno]

they're not fighting a proxy war - Ukraine was invaded by the Russians and all they're doing is defending their home any way they can

every country has a face for a leader


would you prefer they had somebody else as the "leader" of their country?


it's as if you're disappointed that the Russians are failing

They are fighting for their brutally invaded country indeed, but it is also a proxy war for NATO. I honestly can't see another word to call the fact of feeding a nation miles away from yours with weapons to fight your enemy. West is not giving Ukraine weapons to fight only an ucranian enemy. We don't honestly think if Ukraine invaded Moldavia the West would be behaving like this, right ? Making money out of it selling warfare, sure.

You can bet I am not dissapointed not glad about who is winning or losing the war, no preferences as I live as far as you can from that border (in Europe), I am only sad for all ucranian and russian people, not so much for their leaders. And I am also scared to death about how is all going to end
My only point is I don't like/trust Zelensky. Will also have to say that I don't like Putin either, just to make it clear.
Anyway...

 

[-=SS=-]

I don't think there's proof it was Ukraine, but seems, uh, extremely likely, yes.

I'd be willing to bet coin that they were provided intelligence by CIA/MI6, if the entire operation wasn't just a hand holding exercise of course. This assassination happened just outside Moscow, not close to the Ukraine border. Somehow I really doubt Ukraine is in any position to undertake such an exercise on their own given all their attention is naturally focused on the internal situation. Would they even have the capability? Very doubtful.

The Russian's are claiming it was some yahoo Ukrainian woman who managed to get all the way there and out again. The Ukrainian's are claiming a false flag (lol).

Back in August
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Two days ago:
U.S. believes Ukraine was behind killing of Dugina in Russia, NYT says

LONDON, Oct 6 (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence agencies believe parts of the Ukrainian government authorised a car bomb attack near Moscow in August that killed Darya Dugina, the daughter of a prominent Russian nationalist, the New York Times reported.

Reuters could not immediately verify the report, which cited unidentified U.S. officials. Ukraine repeated on Thursday its denial of any involvement in the attack.

The United States took no part in the attack on Dugina and was not aware of it ahead of time, the Times reported. American officials later admonished Ukrainian officials over the assassination, the Times said.

So there we have it. If the US intelligence officials believe it was Ukraine then that means it was highly likely to be MI6 hand walking the Ukrainians through the exercise.

 

[Pickledlemons]

Kerch bridge destroyed!

 

[-=SS=-]

I haven't been following this thread closely, but has anyone mentioned the fact that the pipeline sabotage would have required approximately half a ton of TNT for each of the two explosions that registered 2.2 on the richter scale? That reading is what was registered for the collapses of the twin towers incidentally.

Transporting approximately a ton of high explosives to 70-90m depth is a ridiculous proposition.

Guardian - Pipeline Sabotage

It remains a mystery as to how the explosives reached the pipeline. According to initial reports, the explosions happened at depths of between 70 and 90 metres.

There has been speculation that mini submarines might have been used to deliver the explosives. However, the amount of explosives that would have been necessary to cause such large blasts make this theory increasingly unlikely.

Instead, experts [i.e CIA] are suggesting that maintenance robots operating within the pipeline structure may have planted the bombs during repair works.

So that leaves either Russia going inside the pipe itself, an equally ridiculous proposition, or another method for external attack. Drones are not going to be able to plant 1 ton of explosives without being noticed. It's too deep and impractical for divers to place 1 ton as well.

I'd chance a bet this was covert nuclear sabotage and a veiled threat to Russia, either by the USA directly or by proxy through Israel (both have the navy and nuclear technology for such operations). I mentioned the twin towers because I believe they used the same technology, 3rd or possibly even 4th generation nuclear weapons that can produce directional and dialable yields. Underwater blasts are concealed, so only the respective military intelligence will have any knowledge of it being nuclear in origin (satellite and seismic detection).

All the recent public blabbering about nuclear weapons fits in with this assessment. Putin could respond in kind with a veiled nuclear attack of his own to show he isn't bluffing, or perhaps use one strategically on a small target.