Heroin Rotating injection sites

[ex30mg]

I am beginning to get curious about how often I should be rotating injection sites...

Since I am relatively new to consistently shooting dope (I used to do it every once in a while, but now I have started to shoot up maybe 2-3 times per day). I often like to hit the same spot or maybe a few millimeters up or down my vein, simply because I know exactly where the vein is since I hit the last time I did a shot.

I am wondering, though, how do I know when I should give a certain spot a rest and start injecting somewhere else for a little while? Are there any signs, such as pain, bleeding more than normal, redness, etc., that would indicate that I should probably rotate my injection spot? I decided to rotate to a new spot today as after a while of hitting the same spot it began to get a little harder to push the needle in, hurt a little bit more, and bleeds a little bit more than if it were a fresh injection site.

How often do you guys rotate spots, and how do you know when its about time to rotate?

Stay safe everyone.

 

[SteeleyJ]

I used to rotate all the time, then i got lazy and now I don't have many veins left..... so keep rotating iv sites. Searching for a vein for 20 min sucks.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Rotate after every injection. You start hitting the same spot even a few times in a row, it's gonna lead to scarring, bruising, vein damage, etc. And if you really keep pounding the same spot out, you'll collapse the vein.

Never hit in the same spot more than once or twice, then give it a week or so to heal before you hit it again. There are many many spots to IV, especially in the beginning with healthy veins. No excuse to just pound out the same spot besides pure laziness. How you keep them healthy, is by rotating very frequently. Sure, it sounds easy in the here and now, to just hit the same spot you know is gonna work, but keep doing that for years, pounding out the same spots till they don't work anymore, you'll seriously regret having done it that way, because all your veins will be gone.

 

[ex30mg]

Wow - thank you for the advice Scagnattie - to be honest I am relatively new to shooting up every day and especially very new to shooting up more than one time per day consistently, and like you said, it is really easy to just pound away at the same spot because when I do that I dont even need to tie off because I just know exactly where the vein is based on the mark.

Now you've got me scared that I collapsed the vein in the crook of my left arm already haha - I know this is probably not the case considering I can still easily stick it and register every time but, now I'm going to rotate every time. Gotta love harm reduction forums.

Thanks again.

 

[BlueHues]

Yeah, rotate as much as possible...It's not always easy or intuitive, because most people favor a different spot, but there's a lot of options...Then again, some people have really small veins, and a vein that might be easy for one person is impossible for someone else, or so small or buried that it's impractical to even try..

Whatever you can see and access the easiest on your arms are the best...Trying to hit a vein you can't see isn't the greatest idea unless it becomes necessary, which hopefully it won't for you...

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Wow - thank you for the advice Scagnattie - to be honest I am relatively new to shooting up every day and especially very new to shooting up more than one time per day consistently, and like you said, it is really easy to just pound away at the same spot because when I do that I dont even need to tie off because I just know exactly where the vein is based on the mark.

Now you've got me scared that I collapsed the vein in the crook of my left arm already haha - I know this is probably not the case considering I can still easily stick it and register every time but, now I'm going to rotate every time. Gotta love harm reduction forums.

Thanks again.

No problem, man. Always down to help a fellow NYC'er. Ha.

So, yeah you'll be fine. To make your veins last as long as possible, rotate your sites, and use a fresh syringe for every injection. You'll seriously thank yourself later on. With good technique, rotating sites, using fresh needles, you could keep your veins healthy forever and never collapse them. It's when people get lazy, start pounding away at the same spot, have poor technique, use dull rigs, etc, that their veins get destroyed.

Be safe, man.

 

[subutex_junkie]

Rotate after every injection. You start hitting the same spot even a few times in a row, it's gonna lead to scarring, bruising, vein damage, etc. And if you really keep pounding the same spot out, you'll collapse the vein.

Never hit in the same spot more than once or twice, then give it a week or so to heal before you hit it again. There are many many spots to IV, especially in the beginning with healthy veins. No excuse to just pound out the same spot besides pure laziness. How you keep them healthy, is by rotating very frequently. Sure, it sounds easy in the here and now, to just hit the same spot you know is gonna work, but keep doing that for years, pounding out the same spots till they don't work anymore, you'll seriously regret having done it that way, because all your veins will be gone.

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This, I wish I'd of rotated veins a lot more then I did, now, both my crooks are surrounded by scar tissue and almost impossible to hit, my other top 3 best veins are either collapsed or it's a bitch to hit them, not to mention that I don't have too many veins that were very visible to begin with, now I'm probably going to be quitting shooting up somewhat soon before I fuck up and start hitting my neck or groin veins, I refuse to let it get to that point... Then again, I've said that I wouldn't let something go too far a million times now, practically every rule for using drugs that I've made, I've eventually broke too I really am intent on saving at least a few good veins like my groin in case I need an IV for a serious medical situation like a car wreck or something where my life is in jeopardy.

 

[ex30mg]

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This, I wish I'd of rotated veins a lot more then I did, now, both my crooks are surrounded by scar tissue and almost impossible to hit, my other top 3 best veins are either collapsed or it's a bitch to hit them, not to mention that I don't have too many veins that were very visible to begin with, now I'm probably going to be quitting shooting up somewhat soon before I fuck up and start hitting my neck or groin veins, I refuse to let it get to that point... Then again, I've said that I wouldn't let something go too far a million times now, practically every rule for using drugs that I've made, I've eventually broke too I really am intent on saving at least a few good veins like my groin in case I need an IV for a serious medical situation like a car wreck or something where my life is in jeopardy.

That's actually a really good point, about potentially needing an IV for a serious medical situation. I had never thought about that before, but its definitely possible and in a situation where time is ticking the last thing emergency surgeons need to be doing is digging around in random places to find a vein so that they can, say, perform a blood transfusion, or give someone emergency IV antibiotics or pain medication. Like I said, that's a really good point.

Its just so tempting for me to keep hitting the same spot in the crook of my left arm because its SOOOO god damn easy to hit it every time. I can practically hit it with my eyes closed. Since I live at home with my parents, I have to be sneaky a lot of the time and I try to fix up and inject as quickly as possible before someone comes upstairs or needs something from me or something like that - thats another reason why I haven't been rotating - because its so fast for me to just hit that one spot and be done in two seconds....

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Yeah I was actually just thinking about the medical emergency scenario yesterday. I noticed that I had a couple veins come back, after being clean for a few months, and I was grateful because I thought about that same thing. In the event of a bad accident or something, where they need to find a vein to give you blood, or antibiotics, pain killers, whatever, you need to have a spot for them to go and when I was actively using, with my veins destroyed from so many years of abuse, that would have been a very difficult thing and I would have been fucked in an emergency.

 

[The Doc.]

If you don't have many other veins to rotate with then try taking the pointy part off and squirting it up your ass it lasts longer and gets you just as high just takes 20 mins or so to kick in but that's nothing when your looking back at age 30 with no veins and your whole body is septic.
My veins are horrible I'm only 22 and I the last time in detox they couldn't get a vein to do a blood test. But I'm not a typical case I don't have many visible veins gotta feel around for one.

 

[subutex_junkie]

If you don't have many other veins to rotate with then try taking the pointy part off and squirting it up your ass it lasts longer and gets you just as high just takes 20 mins or so to kick in but that's nothing when your looking back at age 30 with no veins and your whole body is septic.
My veins are horrible I'm only 22 and I the last time in detox they couldn't get a vein to do a blood test. But I'm not a typical case I don't have many visible veins gotta feel around for one.

I've considered doing this many times and have with codeine in the past, my real problem in my needle fixation, there's something about seeing that red blood bursting into the rig when you get the vein then the high of just knowing that I'll be getting well ASAP but I think I may try your recommendation of rectal use soon. So in your opinion, taking it rectally really gets you just as much medicine as you'd get from shooting something? Part of my worry of rectal use was that it wouldn't be even close to as strong as the IV.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

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It surprisingly is just as strong, man. I mean, you don't get that rush you get from IV'ing when it hits you all at once in a few seconds, but in 10-20 minutes, you'll be just as high as if you'd shot up. The mucus membranes of the intestines absorb very well. It's worth a shot (no pun intended), man, as it takes away so much of the risk of using with IV use.

If you can get past the needle fixation (which I know is a bitch because I have the exact same problem), it'll be one of the best decisions you made, short of quitting dope all together.

 

[subutex_junkie]

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It surprisingly is just as strong, man. I mean, you don't get that rush you get from IV'ing when it hits you all at once in a few seconds, but in 10-20 minutes, you'll be just as high as if you'd shot up. The mucus membranes of the intestines absorb very well. It's worth a shot (no pun intended), man, as it takes away so much of the risk of using with IV use.

If you can get past the needle fixation (which I know is a bitch because I have the exact same problem), it'll be one of the best decisions you made, short of quitting dope all together.

Really think I'm going to try this, I need to stop shooting bupe bad, I could lose my scrip, I'm losing veins left and right and it's not like it's as good as dope or anything either. I've been thinking a lot and I think this is my best bet because I was worried about switching my ROA due to the 100% bioactivity I've been getting but I think this could be what I need to do to finally stop Sometime in the next 14 days I'm really going to make an honest effort to quit shooting up. I've got like 20 micron filters left, I'm saving a few just incase I relapse on anything but once only a few of them are left, I'm done!!!

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

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Yeah especially when it comes to bupe.. you really have no reason not to switch. With bupe, it really is basically just about fulfilling your needle fixation because there is no other benefit to IV'ing it, no rush, no high, no nothing. So, using another ROA really will feel exactly the same as what you are doing, where if in the case of heroin, I couldn't say that. That has a clear difference in feeling when IV'ed..but bupe.. you're killing your veins for nothing, man.

 

[The Doc.]

Yes thank you Mr S its really no different In the way it feels once it hits you like I said you would wish you found a different R.O.A. once your older and all your veins are rock hard, black and unable to register at all. I mean injecting whats in those tablets to get the bupe into you is pretty foolish if you think about it Cause what real benefit do you get from shooting i mean you ya you end up using the whole pill instead of only 30 percent like sublingual use gives you but if you put it up your bum then your pretty dam close to the B.A. injecting gives you and I would bet 1000 bucks that you will feel the same plugging it up your bum as you do shooting it into a vein. You could also look up how to make an alcoholic solution out of suboxone pills to up the B.A. of taking it sublingually to 60 percent. There's a thread in O.D. somewhere I was reading about dissolving sub's in a bit of alcohol and soaking up what your dose is with a cotton ball then sticking it under your tounge I've never tried it but its supposed to work pretty dam good if violating your bum with a syringe every morning doesn't sound fun.

Ahh I remember being in the bath room of the mall after I just picked up a bag of dope after being sick for a whole day and I'm trying to shoot up 2 and a half points to get me well and I just couldn't see my veins I then realised it was one of the ones with the lights to keep junkies from seeing their veins and shooting up in the washroom. So as desperate as I was I took the tip off and shoved it up my bum squirted it and by the time I got home I was well and when I sat down and got back up again to smoke a few dragons I fell over almost broke my TV lol I was sceptical too but it kicked my ass like I.V. use does. The only thing you need to get over is the needle fixation it is a bitch yes I know first hand but its mental so it is possible to get free from it.

 

[The Doc.]

Sometime in the next 14 days I'm really going to make an honest effort to qui up. I've got like 20 micron filters left, I'm saving a few just incase I relapse on anything but once only a few of them are left, I'm done!!!

Hey brother I know how hard it is to give up that dam needle but one thing I've learned over the years is if you say your gonna quit but save some of your needle filters or dope whatever it is you wana quit for a just in case moment then that means your already planning on relapsing in the back of your mind. Just thought ide tell you it may be best to use all those filters up so there's no temptation just a thought. I remember when going into detox I saved some oxys for just in case when I got out or if I decided to leave detox but I got home and eventually just crushed em up and shot em this usually happens when someone tries to do this. Just a friendly heads up but then again I know how desperate a addict can be so if you think you may just start feinding so bad that you go ahead and shoot up without using a filter then mabye just hang on to a few like you were planning for harm reduction wouldn't want you seeing everything through a haze the rest of your life cause you never had a micron filter and then you shot up a subutex and caused calcium to get in your eyes and shit in your lungs and heart. Its up to you I just thought this sounded like typical addict behaviour where you plan relapse in the back of your mind without even knowing it

 

[opi8]

Nobody cares if people inject into their necks, so go for it.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

How can we tell you the adverse effects of IV'ing into an area you wont tell us?

 

[subutex_junkie]

Ahh I remember being in the bath room of the mall after I just picked up a bag of dope after being sick for a whole day and I'm trying to shoot up 2 and a half points to get me well and I just couldn't see my veins I then realised it was one of the ones with the lights to keep junkies from seeing their veins and shooting up in the washroom. So as desperate as I was I took the tip off and shoved it up my bum squirted it and by the time I got home I was well and when I sat down and got back up again to smoke a few dragons I fell over almost broke my TV lol I was sceptical too but it kicked my ass like I.V. use does. The only thing you need to get over is the needle fixation it is a bitch yes I know first hand but its mental so it is possible to get free from it.

This is Interesting, I've never heard of those lights they use to keep people from shooting up in the bathroom, is it like Florissant lighting or what?

Hey brother I know how hard it is to give up that dam needle but one thing I've learned over the years is if you say your gonna quit but save some of your needle filters or dope whatever it is you wana quit for a just in case moment then that means your already planning on relapsing in the back of your mind. Just thought ide tell you it may be best to use all those filters up so there's no temptation just a thought. I remember when going into detox I saved some oxys for just in case when I got out or if I decided to leave detox but I got home and eventually just crushed em up and shot em this usually happens when someone tries to do this. Just a friendly heads up but then again I know how desperate a addict can be so if you think you may just start feinding so bad that you go ahead and shoot up without using a filter then mabye just hang on to a few like you were planning for harm reduction wouldn't want you seeing everything through a haze the rest of your life cause you never had a micron filter and then you shot up a subutex and caused calcium to get in your eyes and shit in your lungs and heart. Its up to you I just thought this sounded like typical addict behaviour where you plan relapse in the back of your mind without even knowing it

You're 100% right, I was just trying to think of HR if I relapse but that really is just that junkie part of me wanting to relapse, I think I'll have a trusted friend hold onto 2-3 wheel filters, I know he'll hide them and only give them to me if I'm already relapsing anyways plus he lives kind of far away so that'll help me just plug it.

 

[ex30mg]

To be honest, I used to plug dope and OC's all the time, and it really does feel exactly the same after like 20 minutes. The only difference is the rush, and thats the ONLy difference. Ive read many places that rectal BA is near 100%, and is second only to IV.

Only question I have is, how do you break the needle off of a syringe without leaving some sharp point behind? Should I pull it out with pliers, or literally break it off?

Just dont want my bum bum to get hurt when I throw it in there.