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Roadside Drug Testing....

It really shits me that there is no test of impairment at the time of saliva testing. This is a great opportunity to actually generate some data on this, cross-indexed to drug levels. Then we really could have a "0.05" equivalent for other drugs.

Just spent a fruitless 10 min trying to track down a research article I read earlier in the year - Dutch study on drugs and accident risks. From memory; Cannabis = no significant increase in accident risk, amphetamines AND opiates = slight increase in accident risk (not statistically significant).

Frankly, it's the extreme fatigue AFTER prolonged periods of being awake fuelled by amphetamine use that's gonna make you crash - and you probably won't test positive to amphetamines (saliva test) then anyway.
 
Lawyers urge caution over roadside drug testing
Wednesday, 1 December 2004

The Criminal Lawyers Association in Western Australia says it does not believe technology to perform roadside drug tests is advanced enough to be reliable.

The Western Australian Government says random saliva tests for traces of cannabis and methamphetamines may be introduced next year if a trial by Victorian police is succesful.

Criminal Lawyers Association president Hilton Quayle is urging the Government to be cautious.

"The problem is not one in-principle, the problem is that there is no really reliable test to check for cannabis or other illicit drugs," he said.

"They really need to satisfy us and the scientific community also needs to satisfy us that these tests are reliable."

From ABC news

I was initially going to post an article from the West Australian detailing that WA was ready to follow the eastern states foot steps if the testing was successful mid next year. However I couldn't find that article online and found this one interesting.
 
^^^ One thing to note with this though is that you won't be charged based on a positive result from one of the disposable tests. This is an indicator only.

However if you do test positive with one of those you are required to submit to a further test with the more expensive electronic testing equipment, which provides a more accurate result (100% accuracy was claimed by the Dr in charge at Vicroads, although I have not seen any test results or data).

The result of the second test is the one you will be charged on.
 
Mmm I've noticed on all the ads announcing this move in today's paper, that they're saying they'll detect pot and speed - no mention of 'ecstacy' whatsoever.

But surely if the test detects methamphetamine then it'll detect MDMA???

So what's the reason behind not pushing the fact that'll detect pills? Are they try to lull people into a false sense of security, which will lead to 100s of more drug driving busts? Or will the tests really not detect MDMA?
 
^^ They also said on the news last night that they are hoping they will soon be able to test for ecstasy...

But anyway, how many biks have speed in them :\
 
I just spoke to "Dr Drug Test" at Vicroads for a bit of clarification on this.

1) The tests that they are using in Vic are designed to pick up Cannabis and Amphetamines only.

2) The legislation allows them to use the results for the detection and procecution of drivers impaired by these drugs ONLY. So they can only use the result to charge you for drug driving, they can't get a positive test and then come and raid your house based on this evidence.

3) Anyone who gives a positive test in their car, will be asked to come to the van for a further on the spot test. If you show positive again, they will take a saliva sample, split it in 2 sealed halves, give you half, and send the other half away for lab testing.

4) Due to the relative chemical similarity between MDMA and Amphetamines the cheap on-site tests they are using WILL test positive for Amphetamines even if you have only had pure MDMA. However the lab test will clarify this, and due to the legislation in 2) you will not be charged. The upshot of this is that MDMA users will be inconvenienced by a positive test, but not actually charged. (Of course, as mentioned above, if you munch pills that contain speed, you're still screwed.)

Also, if you do test positive, you will be detained until such time as you give a negative result. So you either wait until you are straight (a couple of hours... overnight... whatever it takes), get a straight friend to drive, or leave your car on the side of the road. You won't be hauled away in cuffs (yet) because only the lab test is conclusive enough to charge you with.

Oh and for those that are curious... here are some pics of some samples we got to play with a little while ago. The tests they are using are a dual stick with both of these combined into a single test.

Amphetamines.jpg


Cannabis.jpg
 
mdma= methylene 3,4 dioxymethamphetamine, correct yes? methamphetamine= speed, correct yes??
u do the math

edit: sorry, that wasnt aimed at u pop. thanks for clearing some stuff up thou, and for the pics.
 
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Pop Popavich said:
2) The legislation allows them to use the results for the detection and procecution of drivers impaired by these drugs ONLY. So they can only use the result to charge you for drug driving, they can't get a positive test and then come and raid your house based on this evidence.

4) Due to the relative chemical similarity between MDMA and Amphetamines the cheap on-site tests they are using WILL test positive for Amphetamines even if you have only had pure MDMA. However the lab test will clarify this, and due to the legislation in 2) you will not be charged. The upshot of this is that MDMA users will be inconvenienced by a positive test, but not actually charged. (Of course, as mentioned above, if you munch pills that contain speed, you're still screwed.)

So even though the test doesn't officially detect MDMA it does detect it...and so if its in your system then you'll get booked?? Surely if cops pull you over and can prove you had MDMA in your system they'll get you for driving under the influence?

Mmm this goes back to my point then - if they know MDMA is detected, why are they not announcing it? Or are they hoping to inflate the successful number of busts, therefore proving just how effective these new measures are!
 
And us over here in the far west are not excluded either....Page 9 of today West Australian news paper reports 'WA Drivers face random drug tests"

Our police minister is working towards introducing legislation to allow the tests in WA. BUT.... she says the "technology and cost of the procedure was not quite ready"...... weird.... but they will be watching to see how Vic goes with it.

So there you go..... I guess no more driving to events. And considering how bad our public transport system is here.. alot of people will be caught. We have some events that are ages away from any stations or the trains dont stop there – some times you just have to drive. Driving under the influence of ANYTHING is dangerous. But I am sure we are responsible enough to know when we are ok.
 
The Use of Oral Fluid and Sweat Wipes for the
Detection of Drugs of Abuse in Drivers*

Nele Samyn,1 Pharm.; Gert De Boeck,1 Ph.D. and Alain G. Verstraete,2 M.D.

J Forensic Sci, Nov. 2002, Vol. 47, No. 6
Paper ID JFS2002003_476
Available online at: www.astm.org



ABSTRACT: Blood, urine, oral fluid (by spitting or with a Salivette®), and sweat samples (by wiping the forehead with a fleece moistened with isopropanol) were obtained from 180 drivers who failed the field sobriety tests at police roadblocks. With quantitative GC-MS, the positive predictive value of oral fluid was 98, 92, and 90% for amphetamines, cocaine, and cannabis respectively. The prevalence of opiate positives was low. The SAMHSA cut-off values for oral fluid testing at the workplace, proved their usefulness in this study. The positive predictive value of sweat wipe analysis with GC-MS was over 90% for cocaine and amphetamines and 80% for cannabis. The accuracy of Drugwipe® was assessed by comparing the electronic read-out values obtained on-site after wiping the tongue and the forehead, with the corresponding GC-MS results in plasma, oral fluid, and sweat. The accuracy was always less than 90% except for the amphetamine-group in sweat.



In March 1999, the Belgian parliament adopted a law on driving under the influence of certain illicit drugs. A driver is sanctioned if _9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cocaine, benzoylecgonine, morphine, amphetamine, 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine (MDMA), 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-ethylamphetamine (MDEA) or N-methyl-1-(3,4 methylene-dioxyphenyl)-2-butanamine (MBDB) are detected in plasma in concentrations higher than the analytical cut-off values mentioned in the law (1). Similar “per se” laws were introduced in Germany in 1998 and in Sweden in 1999 (2,3).

In Belgium, an initial suspicion of impairment is established using a drug recognition test battery, based on external signs of substance abuse and on some well-defined psychomotor tests, followed by a urine screening test. One of the key elements in the enforcement process is the possibility to perform screening tests rapidly at the roadside, to take immediate administrative measures (disqualification from driving for minimum 6 h) and to select drivers for blood sampling. As for drug screening at the workplace, oral fluid and sweat testing offer a non-invasive way of screening at the roadside and hence the possibility of direct supervision of sampling.

This is a major advantage in comparison to urine testing (4–6). In Belgium, police officers are eager to participate in the evaluation of on-site tests for screening of oral fluid and sweat. Since oral fluid sampling can be time consuming because of a decrease in salivary flow after amphetamine use or cannabis smoking, and the high viscosity of the collected specimen, an on-site test should only require a small volume of sample. The sampling procedure with the Drugwipe® is very simple as it consists of wiping the tongue or some part of the skin e.g., the forehead (7). Orasure Technologies (Bethlehem, PA, USA) have obtained FDA approval for the screening of a panel of drugs of abuse in oral fluid using the Intercept Micro-Plate EIA, but this is a laboratory-based technique. However, very recently, the same company received FDA clearance for their oral fluid pointof- care test for opiates (UPlink®). Oral fluid analysis is considered as the main alternative to blood to document recent use of medicines or drugs of abuse. Some drugs might have a larger detection window in oral fluid than in blood e.g., weakly basic drugs, smoked drugs (4,8). However, the collection protocol and the route of administration significantly influence the concentrations detected in an oral fluid sample (4,8,9).

The time window when the drug is expected to arrive on the surface of the skin is very broad (5,10), but in most cases, drugs will appear later in sweat than in oral fluid. Because of the longer delay of appearance of drugs in sweat, it seems more difficult to use a sweat test to indicate recent drug consumption. However, as an indication of relatively recent drug abuse and in addition to the drug recognition test battery, sweat testing might be useful in a driving under the influence of drugs (DUID) situation (11). During this study, newly trained police officers evaluated drivers at special enforcement roadblocks. For 180 and 135 subjects, respectively, oral fluid and sweat samples were quantitatively analyzed and compared to the corresponding plasma and, if available, urine laboratory results. The reliability of Drugwipe® is assessed by comparing its on-site results with confirmatory GC-MS results in plasma, oral fluid, and sweat.....

If anyone is interested in hosting the whole pdf - which includes charts and flow diagrams, PM me


I have several other papers available (most of what's relevant and has been published) on the subject if anyone's interested.







It really shits me that there is no test of impairment at the time of saliva testing.

In the US, police officers are trained in Drug Influence Evaluation and are empowered as a DRUG RECOGNITION EXPERT. Personally, I think the proposed system to be introduced here will allow for less interpretation by police officers, and offers less potential for abuse.


Scanned from Criminalistics - An Introduction in Forensic Science by Richard Safferstein

DRE_chart.gif



The 12 Steps of the Drug Evaluation Process The DRE drug evaluation includes twelve major components or steps, which includes:
  1. 1. The Breath Alcohol Test
    The DRE will need to know the result of the suspect's breath alcohol test, if taken. This is important to the DRE because he must determine whether or not alcohol accounts for the observed impairment. Normally, if the suspect’s blood alcohol level is above the state’s limit for DUI (.08% in most states), a DRE drug evaluation is not conducted.
  2. 2. The Interview of the Arresting Officer
    If the DRE did not make the arrest, he will need to interview the arresting officer prior to the evaluation. This allows the DRE to gain an insight on the suspect’s driving, conduct at roadside, and their performance of the Standardized Field Sobriety Tests (SFST’s).
  3. 3. The Preliminary Examination
    During this step the DRE will perform a preliminary examination checking for any evidence of a medical complication that would warrant terminating the evaluation and requesting medical assistance. The suspect is asked a series of questions, and the DRE conducts a series of eye examinations that assists in making the decision whether the suspect is under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs or if the impairment may be medically related. If drug impairment is suspected, the DRE proceeds with the evaluation.
  4. 4. Examinations of the Eyes
    In this step, the DRE administers three tests of the suspect's eyes: (1) Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus (HGN), (2) Vertical Gaze Nystagmus and (2) Lack of Convergence.
  5. 5. Divided Attention Psychophysical Tests
    The DRE conducts a series of psychophysical tests that assists in determining the suspect’s condition and if he/she is able to operate a vehicle safely. The DRE administers four divided attention psychophysical tests: (1) the Romberg Balance, (2) Walk and Turn, (3) One Leg Stand, and (4) Finger to Nose.
  6. 6. Examination of Vital Signs
    The sixth step requires the DRE to make precise measurements of the suspect's pulse rate, blood pressure and body temperature. The suspect's pulse rate is measured three different times during the evaluation. During this step of the evaluation the DRE will use medical instruments, including a stethoscope, asphygmomanometer (blood pressure cuff) and an electronic digital thermometer.
  7. 7. Dark Room Examinations
    During this step in the evaluation process the DRE will take the suspect into a separate room where the DRE can obtain an estimate of the suspect's pupil size in three different lighting conditions. The DRE uses a device called a pupilometer and a penlight to conduct the measurements in room light, near total darkness and direct light.
  8. 8. Examination for Muscle Tone
    During this step, the DRE inspects the suspect’s arm muscles checking for muscle tone.
  9. 9. Examination for Injection Sites
    Many drug abusers inject drugs. So immediately after checking muscle tone, the DRE then carefully inspects the suspect’s arms, hands, fingers, and neck for evidence of recent or past hypodermic needle injections.
  10. 10. Suspect's Statements and Other Observations
    In this step of the evaluation, the DRE questions the suspect about specific evidence and observations made during the evaluation.
  11. 11. Opinions of the Evaluator
    In this step the DRE documents his/her conclusions rendering an expert opinion about the condition of the suspect and the category(s) of drugs causing the impairment.
  12. 12. The Toxicological Examination
    The final step in the evaluation process is to obtain a blood or urine specimen, which is sent to the laboratory for chemical analysis. The lab analyzes the specimen and reports the findings to the DRE and/or the arresting officer.


From


here
 
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Yay! I found that Dutch study that says pot doesn't increase your risk of motor vehicle accident injury:

Drug driving study


Movig, KL, Mathijssen, MP, Nagel, PH, van Egmond, T, de Gier, JJ, Leufkens, HG & Egberts, AC 2004, 'Psychoactive substance use and the risk of motor vehicle accidents', Accident Analysis and Prevention, vol. 36, no. 4, pp. 631-6.

The driving performance is easily impaired as a consequence of the use of alcohol and/or licit and illicit drugs. However, the role of drugs other than alcohol in motor vehicle accidents has not been well established. The objective of this study was to estimate the association between psychoactive drug use and motor vehicle accidents requiring hospitalisation.

A prospective observational case-control study was conducted in the Tilburg region of The Netherlands from May 2000 to August 2001. Cases were car or van drivers involved in road crashes needing hospitalisation. Demographic and trauma related data was collected from hospital and ambulance records. Urine and/or blood samples were collected on admission. Controls were drivers recruited at random while driving on public roads. Sampling was conducted by researchers, in close collaboration with the Tilburg police, covering different days of the week and times of the day. Respondents were interviewed and asked for a urine sample. If no urine sample could be collected, a blood sample was requested.

All blood and urine samples were tested for alcohol and a number of licit and illicit drugs. The main outcome measures were odds ratios (OR) for injury crash associated with single or multiple use of several drugs by drivers.

The risk for road trauma was increased for single use of benzodiazepines (adjusted OR 5.1 (95% Cl: 1.8-14.0)) and alcohol (blood alcohol concentrations of 0.50-0.79 g/l, adjusted OR 5.5 (95% Cl: 1.3-23.2) and >or=0.8 g/l, adjusted OR 15.5 (95% Cl: 7.1-33.9)). High relative risks were estimated for drivers using combinations of drugs (adjusted OR 6.1 (95% Cl: 2.6-14.1)) and those using a combination of drugs and alcohol (OR 112.2 (95% Cl: 14.1-892)). Increased risks, although not statistically significantly, were assessed for drivers using amphetamines, cocaine, or opiates. No increased risk for road trauma was found for drivers exposed to cannabis.

The study concludes that drug use, especially alcohol, benzodiazepines and multiple drug use and drug-alcohol combinations, among vehicle drivers increases the risk for a road trauma accident requiring hospitalisation.

Also - from Victoria Police Policy Unit - have attached FAQ
 

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Just quickly, wanted to point out a couple of threads that have started on TheScene.com.au that have a lot of technical discussion about the testing as well.

Drug -driving high among young

and

A critical assessment of the Drugwipe II

All of which simply raises more questions.

Like... would someone busted have any legal recourse to complain if they felt that their being targetted by the "drugs bus" wasn't random? Apparently these tests are quite expensive to administer so it's likely that police are going to test only people they think are under the influence.
 
Read this thread as stated above : Critical Assessment of the Drugwipe II


Facts brought to bear are :

MDMA can be tested to 10 nanograms/mL using the Drugwipe
Metamphetamine to 10ng/mL
Amphetamine to 25 ng/mL

Don't forget that pills do occassionally contain significant traces of speed.
 
Hoptis -- I'm not aware of any problem in classes of people being selected (e.g. people coming out of a club), so long as it doesn't breach the federal Anti-Discrimination Act. Even then they could probably justify it.

Does anyone know what a 125mg MDMA dose translates into in terms of plasma level offhand?
 
Do you mean a peak plasma level? It all depends on how long after ingestion sampling occurs...
 
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