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Ritalin - Dexamphet. ?

haha well the place is a nutrition shop, and sells alot of protein powder
so i guess that explains it

i guess ill have to keep that to myself then
especially if its good shit to have ;)
haha

so does this mean that it is irrelevant for recovery and tolerance, after use of amphets?
especially dexamphetamine...
 
Hugs, I'm the same as you, last year of high school dealing with Rit.

I've found Ritalin to be better than Adderal in terms of study, Dexies are good, but its hard to fit in that extra bit of study on a weekend when they last so long (without eating 10 and going to a party). What I've done is put myself on a vitamin/supplement stack which has helped a huge amount. My memory recall has increases and i am calmer too. Atm I'm taking:

36mg Concerta
1000mg Vit C
4000mg Piracetam (2000mg twice daily)
40mg Zinc
Magnesium (don't know the dosage, we ran out yesterday ^_^)
2000mg Fish Oil
Multi Vit

Then if i have an exam, tutoring or an assessment I might have another 10-20mg Rit with a 4 hour duration at the tail end of the Concerta. I've found that overdoing the Ritalin is a fucking horrible experience, careful with your dosages...
 
thankyouu for the posts :)

i have actually been taking my script a little bit (of ritalin)
and i find it quite therapeutic, and strangely addictive
although i can easily reason with myself out of such a situation

go back to the psychiatrist next tuesdee
hopefully switching to dex :)

im gonna start working out again
so i'll be getting back on the protein powder, along with other supplements
only got one body, gotta take care of it
haha

i find that ritalin is soo much better insufflated
i try not to use high doses, but i seem have a natural tolerance to most drugs
and i didnt feel therapeutic relief until i hit 30mgs IR

out of curiosity; can anyone tell me whether 5-HTP is good for amphetamine use/recovery?

p.s. im quite sped up at the moment, due to ritalin
so sorry if my post is a bit erratic haha

:D
 
tr3jo said:
Dude your already going down the wrong track then man, trust me i said the same thing when i first started. Like when you take ritalin orally you concentrate and feel a bit edgy but when u snort it you feel amazing and can start uber hard. But the thing is with snorting it is that you quickly build a tolerance and it wears off quicker, so very soon you using so much more than what you would normally use if your took it orally. Man you have to listen to me when i say you should not be snorting the stuff to study, to party and accompany XTC yes! but to study NO! I remember it go to a stage where every class i could feel my buzz of the Rits wearing off so i would "go to the toilet" snort some more and come back happy as larry and ready to work. But repeating this process just ruined my mental health. Please only snort it for fun on the weekends, if you are going to use it for school just take the damn pill man.

Mate you dont have to listen to me but i have been way past the point you are now and its never pretty. Trying to kick a ritalin addiction especially in the middle of the last year of school is fuked man trust me i know.
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Plus snorting binders is fuckin' terrible for you...
 
tr3jo-
i definitely understand where you're coming from
i can already feel the binders taking their toll on my nose :\

my only real reason for snorting was that i am (hoping) to get switched to dex
which has a far better oral BA, and snorting would be a thing of the past

anywayy thanks for the input and yesterday was definitely the last time im snorting ritalin
...even if i dont get switched to dex my next psych visit

plus, staying up all night getting no sleep really isnt good for anyone
so i shall heed your warning
:)
 
I really don't 'enjoy' ritalin per say, i just need it to work.

I couldn't ever view it as recreational
 
Ritalin is listed in the box info sheet as a "mild stimulant"

Ritalin FACTS:

1-Ritalins addictive nature has been common knowledge for decades.
2-The USA bureau of narcotics and dangerous drugs placed Ritalin under hard narcotic controls in 1971
3-Sweden outrite banned Ritalin in 1968, due to widespread abuse.
 
i'm on dexamphetamine now
recreationally i find it less fun than ritalin, but for therapeutic needs dex is much better
so i will not be switching back
:)

You'reUnderArrest!: call it what you like, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
i feel much less urge to use dex recreationally and i do not wish to switch back to ritalin
so chances of becoming addicted are very low, and im not scamming my doctor, dex is a much better medication to treat adhd IMO

peace.
 
Hugs & Drugs said:
i'm on dexamphetamine now
recreationally i find it less fun than ritalin, but for therapeutic needs dex is much better
so i will not be switching back
:)

You'reUnderArrest!: call it what you like, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
i feel much less urge to use dex recreationally and i do not wish to switch back to ritalin
so chances of becoming addicted are very low, and im not scamming my doctor, dex is a much better medication to treat adhd IMO

peace.
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Given that you were snorting the rit for the sole purpose of increasing the bioavailability I find it hard to believe that therapeutic benefit was your main goal with it. Your psychiatrist prescribes you a dosage knowing what the oral BA is, and has an idea of how much you need to respond to the treatment. By snorting your medication and increasing the BA you are effectively increasing the dosage and the peak effects of the drug (which Tr3jo pointed out at the bottom of page 1), rather than going by the recommendation of the doctor. If you thought your dosage was insufficient you should be bringing this up with your doctor so he can look at increasing your dosage, and you should continue to take it orally. Snorting it is abuse of it, plain and simple, which is something you said you didn't want to do on the first page. I am going to go ahead and assume you didn't mention snorting them to your psychiatrist?

In your opinion the chances of you becoming addicted todexamphetamine are low. This is not necessarily true. I don't know exactly how you react to dexamphetamine vs methylphenidate, or what dosage/how often you were snorting them, but if you have abused one stimulant you are at a greater risk of abusing another stimulant when compared to someone who has never abused stimulants before. It is worth noting that dexamphetamine is contraindicated by a history of drug abuse. I am not trying to say you will definitely become addicted to it, but I do encourage you to remember that Dexamphetamine is an addictive medication which (based on what you have told us) you have a higher risk of abusing than most people. Therefore it is a bit close minded to say that because you don't yet have the urge to use dex recreationally the chances of you becoming addicted are very low.

Furthermore, from anecdotal evidence, people who do not have ADHD who try dexamphetamine can come to believe they have ADHD due to how the drug makes them work/feel compared to their normal state. If you are truly less likely to abuse it then this is not as relevant, but just because you believe dexamphetamine is a much better medication to treat your ADHD, it doesn't mean this is the truth.

A final point I will make that I think is worth considering (Again, this is not a definite, it is a possibility!) is that if you really really enjoyed abusing ritalin, and now you are off it and on something else, you have absolutely desire to go back to abusing it, it could indicate that the dexamphetamine is giving you just as much pleasure as the ritalin did in the past, making it potentially addictive too.

I do not want to come off as condescending of your behaviour, because I too have snorted stimulants. I just want to make you aware of how your goal of minimising harm could be affected by your current situation. Any drug addiction is not pleasant (Unless the drug is Jesus! (just kidding lol)) and when you are put on an addictive medication you have to consider what will/won't make you more susceptible to it.

All this said, dex is fuckin' great ain't it :)?
 
krakenhaus: i see where you're coming from, but really - i dont feel amazing on dex, regardless of dose
ritalin was pretty euphoric, but very shorting lasting, so its really not even worth it
but yes, a constant supply doesn' help with addiction

i'm over the extracting idea, that was merely initial hype, i honestly don't like the way they make me behave - socially
i find its fine by myself to do work or complete a task, but its not something i could ever learn to love, recreationally

just clearing that up, but cheers for the concern
i really don't do any drugs these days, besides alcohol on the odd occassion
(excluding dex)
so i feel (if anything) im moving away from drugs than closer to addiction

peace mann.
 
a drug is a drug is a drug

you show signs of addiction already mate....subsitution, justification, denial, etc..

take this anyway you want at this current moment but you may just remember this if one day find yourself down a horrible path

seriously take care man
 
thats true, a drug is a drug
i'm pretty opinionated, i hate people thinking something of me when its not the case
anywayy im done with my "justification" everyone sees things differently, and are entitled to their own opinion

i know i tread a dangerous path
but if you've never seen the negatives of life, how can you truly appreciate the positives?
i shall, and you should also take care - you also aren't on Bluelight for the hell of it
drugs brought you here
;)
 
Hugs & Drugs said:
thats true, a drug is a drug
i'm pretty opinionated, i hate people thinking something of me when its not the case
anywayy im done with my "justification" everyone sees things differently, and are entitled to their own opinion

i know i tread a dangerous path
but if you've never seen the negatives of life, how can you truly appreciate the positives?
i shall, and you should also take care - you also aren't on Bluelight for the hell of it
drugs brought you here
;)
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drugs and my addictive nature brought me to this site 10yrs ago

i would never wish on anyone what addiction brings to your life and takes from your life

i truly hope you are not in that percentage of people that will lose the ability to apply consequential thinking when it comes to drug use - prove my hope true man

:)
 
i have my life under-control, there should be no fear surrounding that
i realise how drugs affect people's lives, i couldn't hope for a more supportive website
please remember; i am not a child, i am capable of my own decisions, capable of my own choices in life, i have been subject to much hardship in my life

addictive nature is what you make of it, no one is addicted at the beginning, it takes time
what is truly important? a loving family/realtionship or a drug that destroys all money and socialisation, you decide...

my heart be with those who currently struggle, the road is dangerous and winding path, though not so much long as it is honest and heart-breaking
you will become yourself again in no times, someone who appreciates the smaller details in life, so dont fucking forget it

goodluck all BlueLighters, i wish you a speedy recovery/abstinence, don't give up
peace.
:)
 
I take it you plan to leave bluelight?

Most the time, we're not suggesting anyone to not take drugs, just trying to show them the truth.

Addiction to stimulants and opiates is a horrible ordeal. Trying to abstain from drug use, whilst constantly being curious is just as horrible. No one lectures me about addiction, because i'm the first to admit i have a fucking love affair with opioids. But I have a son, and many other factors that make their use a dangerous path. As well as sleep issues and food problems that are agonized further by withdrawal from opiates.

There hasn't been a doubt in my mind, from day one you showed up on this site that your aims were to doc shop dexamphetamine from a doctor, and most likely abuse it - to what end this wasn't clear - but i'm pretty sure it is now.

There will come a time in your life, when you slug back the denial of desire to feel pleasure and euphoria from garbage - and realize just how much hold it has on you. Perhaps i'll rephrase that as, how much of a junkie you truly are. And that's not about taking a shot at you, just how i'd psychoanalyze myself.

Whilst some of what you speak is truth, alot of it is in denial of your personal situation. And the paths to addiction, that a doctor notes are the factor of substitution, denial etc that you clearly display as someone with a predisposition or already addicted.

Be careful, and perhaps try living life without drugs, and looking in at how someone like you is from a drug-free perspective.
 
Mr Ibis speaks the truth. Read his post Hugs & then read it again. Read all the other posts in this thread that are warning you about what you are doing. Notice they all have one thing in common, they are all posts from people who have been down the same road you are starting out on...i can only speak for myself when but i think the others might agree with me in that we would give ANYTHING to be able to go back and start over and not head down that path..

Your posts are full of denial and justification for what you are doing. Dont be like the rest of us who have woken up too late because that crash is life destroying. Only those who have realised too late will admit they are an addict and by then you are trapped.

If so many people can recognise that you are heading down a bad path, one that they themselves have gone down, dont you think it would be a good idea to listen to them.

I loved amphetamines more than my girlfriend, my job, my studies, i justified my abuse on the basis that i wouldnt have any of those things if it wasnt for those little white pills (and what ever else i was taking when i ran out of D-5s). I had to lose all those things to realise i had a problem...it has taken years to get my life back on track, i finally graduate uni last year, 11 years after i started my 5year degree. I've basically missed out on my 20's, supposedly one of the most enjoyable periods of your life.

So Hugs...we have told you that you are standing on the precipice. Its your decision now, leap into the abyss or turn around, hand your meds over to your mum and dad and start using them responsibly.
 
though i am definitely in denial about some things, i am 100% convinced stimulants (dexamphetamine) do not have any hold over me
...or any drugs at all tbh - these days i use drugs only a fraction of what i once did
i dont rely or really enjoy taking them on some occassions, i actually feel socially-stunted when on it, fumbling over words far too often at times

i've come to realise how much more 'me' i am without em, haven't had em in a short-while, and i honestly don't miss the feeling
take it how you will, but im not an idiot (though i know addiction isn't related to intelligence at all...)
i appreciate your concern but truly, dex is the last thing im worried about
now if mdma wasn't so scarce - now that may be a problem haha

though i myself (& the majority of my mates) agree that i have adhd, i can easily cope without meds - infact, i can cope much better without them
and in a years time, maybe you can look back on this and say you told me so
but i truly believe you have been mislead, i ain't perfect, but i am no fucking junkie
not in a while...

though i do appreciate your concerns
i can sympathise with you, seeing Bluelighters with far less life-experience and showing signs of addiction
and sadden you to slowly watch as kids with the world at their feet throwing it all away for one more hit, one more chemical high...
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well now I have no residual doubts whatsoever regarding the OPs age... 8o

I'm sure at 17 though the majority of us all had other things to do, besides discuss the one thing we all wish we were doing, half the time, instead of arguing/debating ;)

good luck, kid, do us all proud out there..... =D
 
eighteen ;)

haha nahh, at 1am i really do have no else/better to do
so i don't mind coming on here and standing up for what i believe

cheers
:)
 
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