Research Study: Long Term Ecstasy Users Don’t Have Brain Damage

[BongFish]

what i believe with mdma use is that your brain doesnt want to focus on other things after u take it regularly, it is so pumped up about the excitement of ecsatcy ur brain just doesnt want to make the effort on other things.....
its all to do with chemicals of cause if the brain expierences a high release of serotonin the brain is only gonna concentrate its efforts on using that chemical...with a build up of dopamine happening, this i believe causes memory loss and depression.etc because the chemical your brain "wants" to use is depleting.
So I say that the solution to this is to learn how to control your minds and your chemicals. balance it out by using dopamine to balance out the use of serotonin when not on E.

I'd put £100 on what you said being completely made up and without any evidence at all.

To avoid damage from E use opaites and cocaine eh?

 

[PGTips]

In society, it is the 'norm' (respected) to be good at these things.

"Respected" might be the wrong word. I think it depends who you talk to. If you talk to those who enjoy (or rather don't mind) education then you get a bit of "respect". If you talk to a person from another section of the population (more common among drug users I've noticed) its not uncommon to get the reverse. I've had people stop talking to me, start ignoring me, or being down right insulting to me after I've said I'm a mathematics uni student, whereas before we were getting along fined. They suddenly ignore the fact I'm in the same club as them, on the same drugs enjoying the same thing as them, and act as if I'm a sober person preaching the pitfalls of drugs to them
A few people are fine about it, but I've long since learnt to just say "I'm in uni" when peopel ask what I do, not to mention my subject unless I'm getting along really well with them. More hassle than its worth at times

Really, I believe ALL drugs are harmful one way or another. Just some people can deal with it better than others... The very fortunate ones can get more benefit than negatives from use. For instance, a very intelligent person, say an IQ of 150, could drop E and have the benefit of knowing that he can risk some loss of IQ from dropping, and it wouldn't do any harm for living life. Another person with a much lower IQ would have a harder time because they are risking much more.

I don't think thats true. If someone has the intelligence to work their way to a position (be it in university or a job) where they are constantly intellectually challenged, even a small drop in their cognative abilities could be far worse than someone in a "menial" job which requires little thought. If you can't cut it in a high paid, but high demand job a company will drop you very quickly. If you can't work out the change you owe a customer from $5 as quickly as before it doesn't matter, the register will do it for you. The higher you are in life (be it jobs or drugs), the bigger the fall

 

[Epik]

Ecstasy Rising does a really good job of putting everything into perspective. If after that you still don't understand, watch it again. I had some friends, who, after we watched the damn thing, still were like "but mdma is bad for you right".

Wow, didn't you understand any of this informatioN? God.

 

[Epik]

wow, comments like "i hear long-term users have no emotions when they get old".

Let's seriously... wow. Just take a moment and think to yourself. That is so bullshit why would you even believe shit like that.

I dont feel like typing up an essay or what not. But when you ingest the substance mdma, serotonin is released is much greater ammount that usual. Obviously, your serotonin levels will be lower, but serotonin does replenish itself, a bit slowly, but it does.

Dr. Ricaurte's studies in the 80's and his "mdma causes neuro-toxicity and parkinson's disease" claims in 2002 have all been proven bullshit. Let me also point out that he was the main source of data the DEA relied on while imposing the ban on mdma in 1985. Also the fact that "a related drug, in high doses, causes brain damage in rats". Wow, 1st off a RELATED drug, 2nd, in HIGH DOSES, 3rd, in RATS. Oh my god, do you know incredibly dumb factors such as those... god it's so frustrating to see people worry about every waaay over-exagerated comments the government makes.

Many of the world leaders in brain imagery have even conducted studies themselves and stated serotonin levels DO replenish themselves fully within 2-3 months.

That is with normal dosage of mdma though. Moderation is still the key, so no matter how "harmless" mdma is viewd currently, over-usage will obviously make things much worse. As with any other substance.

Well, i'm hungry so i'll talk to you guys later.

 

[C0nfusion]

a little quick update now.. the side effects is defiantly wearing off, but theres still a little bit left but im shure that it will be gone 2 months from now on

 

[At Es]

My new trick

You know what helps? .... EXERCISE!!!! I swear! I am the laziest human being ever to be born, but for circumstantial reasons, I started to work out recently --> LESS SIDE-EFFECTS!!!!!! Try it! At least you'll have the feeling you're sweating out your sins... I mean it. Play safe.

 

[lawnmower man]

Hey guys,

Reading this tread made me ponder a question maybe some of you guys might be able to answer for me: If MDMAs molecular structure resembles amphetamines and mescaline, what makes it so much more "damaging."
I mean kids take adderall everyday there whole lives and they grow up to be ok, i guess. I mean if you were even to take a high dose of adderall to the point where you were really tweaking you would be back to normal a few days later. What i am wondering is how can mdma be so much worse than the 2 other drugs it closely resembles. Hope i got my point across, hope i didnt misinterperate anything. Thanks ahead of tiime for any insights. mike

 

[C0nfusion]

it's not.. mdma does not cause damage.. only lowers your serotonin wich will rise again when you stop taking mdma for a while

 

[baileylsd]

@baileylsd

have you taken other drugs ?
have tried taking a break from mdma?
if so how long?

i believe most people just blames mdma because they are led to believe it causes harm yet they've done other drugs too..

i can say that mdma does cause memory loss but with a break it all comes back

other drugs? yes - weed (i've smoked for about 7 years), speed (also very damaging i know but i started taking it about 6 months later)

break? yes - it seems to help a bit, but not much - 2 months and counting

oh, and the mdma does not do damage; its when serotonin runs out and dopamine goes inside the serotonin cell.

 

[C0nfusion]

as i wrote above

 

[bagof]

hi, i'm new to the boards and have been reading over some of the threads.
Interesting. I thought i'll start posting here. I thought this argument was inconlusive - ie does e's give youn brain damage or not. There's been lots of talk about neurotransmitters dopamine and serotonin etc and this is true of UK drug discussions as well.
Neurologists IMO are still mapping out the territoy. Glutamate is the new buzz word. experiments with 'knock out mice' (not very nice as far as i'm concerned) where they knocked out glutamate from the mice's brain (serotonin and dopamine reward sytems still intack) the mice will turn its nose away from the drug (cocaine in this instance). which implicates glutamate as part of this process (reward). what i'm saying is there is no firm agreement in this area. Many neurologists in the UK and i'm sure in the States thought that in 20 years or so people would be walking arouind with Parkinsons desease from doing to may pills..., they're not. Memory?? well glutamate is implicated in memory also..., and they still don't know much about that either.