trippy_pippi
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Oh yeah, and you're NOT A BLANK SLATE:
You're in a ZEN STATE!
You're in a ZEN STATE!
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Research Study: Long Term Ecstasy Users Don’t Have Brain Damage
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C0nfusion
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everything in moderations
to be safe don't over do it, i would recoment max 4 times a year.. not that i don't do more (hehe.. whoops), but if you wanna be safe
to be safe don't over do it, i would recoment max 4 times a year.. not that i don't do more (hehe.. whoops), but if you wanna be safe
Brain scans show specific things like glucose uptake or serotonin levels. Hence when you see one of those pictures of someone actually on MDMA in a scanner its not that "their entire brain is connecting" but rather their serotonin levels are a lot higher than normal and hence make the scan light up more all over the place.trippy_pippi said:
It certainly doens't increase neural processing, making you smarter etc. Besides that "Humans only use 10% of our brain" thing is a myth. We don't use all of our brain at the same time. Different parts of our brain do different things. If I'm watching TV the part of my brain that is responsible for seeing and hearing will be working while the part of my brain that is involved with memory recall or perhaps mental arithmetic will be more dormant. Since you can't do every one of those thigns at once, we don't use all of our brain at once, but there are no "redundant parts". The brain is a testiment to the amazing abilities of evolution. It is folded in such a way that it fits within our skull. If it didn't do that our skulls would have to be about 5~10 times their current size! If we only use 10% of uor brains ever then all that intricate folding would have been a pointless part of evolution, when we could have just started using our brains full, rather than having 90% of it just "waste bulk".
I doubt everyone who has used MDMA a fair number of times in their life ends up in a "zen state" even when sober.trippy_pippi said:
C0nfusion
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maybe we are surposed til get smarter and use more of our brains in time as a part of evolution
i do think we only use 10% of our brian.. can you back your information about us using all of our brain?
i do think we only use 10% of our brian.. can you back your information about us using all of our brain?
VelocideX
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C0nfusion said:maybe we are surposed til get smarter and use more of our brains in time as a part of evolution
i do think we only use 10% of our brian.. can you back your information about us using all of our brain?
As has been said, the 10% thing is utter crap. Why would our body use 1/4 of its blood flow to support cells that do nothing? From an evolutionary perspective this is rubbish -- we'd eat far more food than we "need"
I personally believe this myth comes from the ratio of glial cells to neurons... glial cells support, feed and nurture neurons, and people speculate they outnumber neurons by about 10:1
Aside from the obviousness that its false to anyone with basic understanding of biology heres a few results from a Google search :C0nfusion said:
http://www.theness.com/articles/brain-nejs0201.html
http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/9X/04714349/047143499X.pdf
and more I can't be bothered to link to.
We are supposed to get smarter via evolution, but thats by increasing the density of neurons within our head, not just turning ones we have now on.
C0nfusion
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now i learned that to
trancigent
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out of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most
this is a well debated subject and I'm sure that all over the world people are dicussing this subject but why look so deep?? sure there are users who decide to shroud there lives in E use but there are others like myself who enjoy the odd E every now and again, Its obvious to me that no matter if you take shit loads of it or just one on the odd occasion that there is always a chance of something inside that little pill of enjoyment screwing your brain up and sending you to the "I like to wear straight jackets" house but that is a noted risk all users take, this study mearly states that the risks are not as dramatic as once thought but it still makes it a risk until there are further studys maybe one day we will know the full effects of what we take but that day may not come soon considering impurity and legality. just let the good times roll
this is a well debated subject and I'm sure that all over the world people are dicussing this subject but why look so deep?? sure there are users who decide to shroud there lives in E use but there are others like myself who enjoy the odd E every now and again, Its obvious to me that no matter if you take shit loads of it or just one on the odd occasion that there is always a chance of something inside that little pill of enjoyment screwing your brain up and sending you to the "I like to wear straight jackets" house but that is a noted risk all users take, this study mearly states that the risks are not as dramatic as once thought but it still makes it a risk until there are further studys maybe one day we will know the full effects of what we take but that day may not come soon considering impurity and legality. just let the good times roll
David
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AlphaNumeric said:
Evolution works on the premise of mutation, and selective breeding. Do you think it's possible that the effects of MDMA on the brain could cause some sort of mutation that would make the human brain more viable to using greater, and greater amounts of seratonin? Perhaps there could be an evolutionary process going on with every use of the drug. Perhaps it may even be changing the actual role of the 5-HT1 in the brain...
Just a thought I had.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
I'm not a neural biologist or anything of that sort so I wouldn't really know what's possible in that realm.
The only way MDMA would alter our evolution would be if it altered the DNA/RNA carried by our sperm or eggs, otherwise any alteration induced on a person by MDMA would not be carried on when that person reproduced.
Due to us having now reached the point where we are no longer at constant struggle with nature to survive, evolution for us has changed. No longer are the strongest most likely to survive in times of hardship, we have medical systems, welfare and a society that attempts to keep everyone alive, even if 10,000 years ago they would not have reached the age where they could reproduce. But then thats a topic for a thread in "Thoughts and Awareness" I think.......
Due to us having now reached the point where we are no longer at constant struggle with nature to survive, evolution for us has changed. No longer are the strongest most likely to survive in times of hardship, we have medical systems, welfare and a society that attempts to keep everyone alive, even if 10,000 years ago they would not have reached the age where they could reproduce. But then thats a topic for a thread in "Thoughts and Awareness" I think.......
XxecsTasycC
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This is a real good report on it.........check it out!!!!
http://www.deciblast.org/media/ecstacy_rising.wmv
http://www.deciblast.org/media/ecstacy_rising.wmv
VelocideX
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^^ we're well aware of this study, but this thread is looking at a specific study and the issues that surround it... Ecstasy Rising merely covered some of the issues in a prime-time fashion; it doesn't get into the nitty-gritty of the science
C0nfusion
Bluelighter
nope.. only from drugs use, not specific mdma
goodfellz1
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This article states that taking xtc will eventually shorten penis and have erection problems... i have never heard this before is this true...............??????????????//
http://www.asmilan.org/biology_web/Extacyit/extacypaper.htm
http://www.asmilan.org/biology_web/Extacyit/extacypaper.htm
C0nfusion
Bluelighter
roflmao
that's defiantly bullshit!
never heard of it and never experinced it:D
that's defiantly bullshit!
never heard of it and never experinced it:D
At Es
Bluelighter
If this is your main concern...
Of all the information (whether true or not) in this "article", which contains an average of 2 spelling/grammar mistakes every 3 sentences, you picked up on that?
If that's your main concern, I wouldn't worry. I think the brain damage will get to you first. 8)
goodfellz1 said:
Of all the information (whether true or not) in this "article", which contains an average of 2 spelling/grammar mistakes every 3 sentences, you picked up on that?
If that's your main concern, I wouldn't worry. I think the brain damage will get to you first. 8)
Wow where to begin
Although I am newer to extasy usage, It was the first drug ever to catch my eye and since I have been endowed in the drug culture it has always been one of the chemicals I have sought out, It is not readily available in the area where I presently reside thus it took quite sometime for me to find prices and a source which I considered reasonable enough to invest in if you will. I have been reading up on extasy for several years now, and I for one believe much of the negative stigma surrounding it can often come from the lack of purity or likelihood that you did not even recife MDMA in your beans when purchasing on the street.
I am a freshman in college presently and aspiring to be a pharmacology major, and I must say both sides of these arguments had intelligent responses and others that quite honestly can't even be taken seriously, Just because you use a drug doesn't make you an expert and just because you have a PHD and can view the effects from a looking glass POV does not make you an expert, for true consultation on such matters I feel the best opinions are those whom use, or have used and are well versed (preferably PHDs) in the fields of pharmacology, neurochemistry, biochemistry and other fields especially focussed on the workings of the mind and body in response to chemicals. I am sorry but seriously can't take "E fucked me up hardcore I got sad after I did rails of coke and speed took well beyond any conceivable responsible dose of E and K all in the same week" It just isn't reasonable,
In my time reading on MDMA use I have yet to see something that proves to me that MDMA is harmful to the extent that it deserves its present legal stature, It is my firm belief that even with MDMA's known dangers as far as it is hard on your liver, and does temporarily disrupt your chemical balance in your mind that the dangers of MDMA are far less than even a night of heavy drinking. I also am in accord with those who stated that it is ridiculous that so many users whom also use other drugs blame their "problems" on extasy use alone, like one person put it, the effects of a candy flip are not from one chemical alone so how and why could you blame the side effects on one chemical in specific.
I have seen quite a few studies on neurotoxicity of MDMA and for every positive result there is a contradicting negative test, this has rendered sciences results to be somewhat useless presently, but equally useless is judging from the populus which consumes extasy (often which is not pure MDMA or possibly isn't even MDMA at all) As others have stated many psychological conditions are present in the users of drugs, people seek drugs for different reasons, some for an enhanced recreational evening others to escape from miseries and sorrows, how can a person using drugs to escape a depression then blame the chemical when they return to a depressed state. Placebo effects also could play a role as it sounds like many of you are extremely pessimistic towards MDMA when it is very possible it has minimal neurotoxicity and thus far evidence does not seem to point out MDMA as particularly harmful.
This brings up the general dosing and bodily maitinence, it seems opinions vary on what regular responsible dosing is but general concencus seems to yield once a month average and twice a month max for "safe" responsible dosing, Anomalies whom consume ridiculous amounts should indeed be expecting damage to their body, In using an automobile as an example
Any vehicle with regular upkeep will run for a fair amount of time, eventually everything breaks down, and this is exactly how a sober human with a decent diet could be viewed, drug intake is much like car modifications such as nitrous and superchargers which increase the pressure inside the engine and increase rates of wear and tear much like chemicals can lead to heightened rates of deterioration in organ systems, cardiovascular systems, and neurological systems, how ever any car savvy person knows if they wish to have a high powered enhanced car they must refit their engine with additional parts to handle the heightened workload, these aadditional stronger parts could be compared to regular consumption of vitamins and supplements If you have a higher drug intake than is deemed "norm" or even if you use at all it may be wise to look into the proper nutritional supplements, if you don't want to invest in vitamins and such you could even modify your regular diet to include things rich in the nutrients which your drug intake diminishes, levels of vitamins and nutrients can become very important when you begin altering the levels of them via chemical intake, Serotonin plays a role beyond simply exerting joy, it is used in relaxation of certain muscles and controls of other bodily functions, thus the discomforts which can arise when it is depleted after a heavy roll. Finally as no car can run to long with out over heating the human body needs to be shut down as well, get rest, it is important!
Now as Shlugin put it "finally a cure for what ever ails a person - MDMA an elixir for the soul" I for one am fond of Shlugin's works and feel he has contributed much to the community, and after reading such works and based on my life experiences I feel one factor that is not often mentioned in regards to drugs pros and cons is the fact that for many they can be a major stress relief, in many cases MDMA allowed for psychological reparation burdens, Pihkal deals with one specific case of a woman feeling comfortable with her life for the first time ever, and overcoming an insecurity which she had harbored since old enough to compute such emotions, Thus one must question if moderate drug use is any worse for your health than high stress levels, In my opinion with the proper chemicals in responsible use I feel it is likely that drug use can have healthy effects as it does alleviate stresses for people,
Basically there is one rule that will never be disproved
Moderation is always important exercise it and you will likely be among the many who have not witnessed any particular problems
In addition watch your health, be savvy to your body and know what it is craving, I know in my experiences with chemicals headaches can occur, this is not holes being burnt in your brain it is your body signaling it is deficient in something, I for one have had headaches several times towards the tail end of some extasy trips which were cured immediately after drinking some Gatorade or an equal substitute to replenish salts sugars electrolytes and so on.
The human body is a finely tuned machine, but don't think balance can not still be maintained chemically merely because additional chemicals are in the picture, Think of the situation as a scale and the more grotesquely imbalanced it becomes the higher likelihood of negative side effects.
Although I am newer to extasy usage, It was the first drug ever to catch my eye and since I have been endowed in the drug culture it has always been one of the chemicals I have sought out, It is not readily available in the area where I presently reside thus it took quite sometime for me to find prices and a source which I considered reasonable enough to invest in if you will. I have been reading up on extasy for several years now, and I for one believe much of the negative stigma surrounding it can often come from the lack of purity or likelihood that you did not even recife MDMA in your beans when purchasing on the street.
I am a freshman in college presently and aspiring to be a pharmacology major, and I must say both sides of these arguments had intelligent responses and others that quite honestly can't even be taken seriously, Just because you use a drug doesn't make you an expert and just because you have a PHD and can view the effects from a looking glass POV does not make you an expert, for true consultation on such matters I feel the best opinions are those whom use, or have used and are well versed (preferably PHDs) in the fields of pharmacology, neurochemistry, biochemistry and other fields especially focussed on the workings of the mind and body in response to chemicals. I am sorry but seriously can't take "E fucked me up hardcore I got sad after I did rails of coke and speed took well beyond any conceivable responsible dose of E and K all in the same week" It just isn't reasonable,
In my time reading on MDMA use I have yet to see something that proves to me that MDMA is harmful to the extent that it deserves its present legal stature, It is my firm belief that even with MDMA's known dangers as far as it is hard on your liver, and does temporarily disrupt your chemical balance in your mind that the dangers of MDMA are far less than even a night of heavy drinking. I also am in accord with those who stated that it is ridiculous that so many users whom also use other drugs blame their "problems" on extasy use alone, like one person put it, the effects of a candy flip are not from one chemical alone so how and why could you blame the side effects on one chemical in specific.
I have seen quite a few studies on neurotoxicity of MDMA and for every positive result there is a contradicting negative test, this has rendered sciences results to be somewhat useless presently, but equally useless is judging from the populus which consumes extasy (often which is not pure MDMA or possibly isn't even MDMA at all) As others have stated many psychological conditions are present in the users of drugs, people seek drugs for different reasons, some for an enhanced recreational evening others to escape from miseries and sorrows, how can a person using drugs to escape a depression then blame the chemical when they return to a depressed state. Placebo effects also could play a role as it sounds like many of you are extremely pessimistic towards MDMA when it is very possible it has minimal neurotoxicity and thus far evidence does not seem to point out MDMA as particularly harmful.
This brings up the general dosing and bodily maitinence, it seems opinions vary on what regular responsible dosing is but general concencus seems to yield once a month average and twice a month max for "safe" responsible dosing, Anomalies whom consume ridiculous amounts should indeed be expecting damage to their body, In using an automobile as an example
Any vehicle with regular upkeep will run for a fair amount of time, eventually everything breaks down, and this is exactly how a sober human with a decent diet could be viewed, drug intake is much like car modifications such as nitrous and superchargers which increase the pressure inside the engine and increase rates of wear and tear much like chemicals can lead to heightened rates of deterioration in organ systems, cardiovascular systems, and neurological systems, how ever any car savvy person knows if they wish to have a high powered enhanced car they must refit their engine with additional parts to handle the heightened workload, these aadditional stronger parts could be compared to regular consumption of vitamins and supplements If you have a higher drug intake than is deemed "norm" or even if you use at all it may be wise to look into the proper nutritional supplements, if you don't want to invest in vitamins and such you could even modify your regular diet to include things rich in the nutrients which your drug intake diminishes, levels of vitamins and nutrients can become very important when you begin altering the levels of them via chemical intake, Serotonin plays a role beyond simply exerting joy, it is used in relaxation of certain muscles and controls of other bodily functions, thus the discomforts which can arise when it is depleted after a heavy roll. Finally as no car can run to long with out over heating the human body needs to be shut down as well, get rest, it is important!
Now as Shlugin put it "finally a cure for what ever ails a person - MDMA an elixir for the soul" I for one am fond of Shlugin's works and feel he has contributed much to the community, and after reading such works and based on my life experiences I feel one factor that is not often mentioned in regards to drugs pros and cons is the fact that for many they can be a major stress relief, in many cases MDMA allowed for psychological reparation burdens, Pihkal deals with one specific case of a woman feeling comfortable with her life for the first time ever, and overcoming an insecurity which she had harbored since old enough to compute such emotions, Thus one must question if moderate drug use is any worse for your health than high stress levels, In my opinion with the proper chemicals in responsible use I feel it is likely that drug use can have healthy effects as it does alleviate stresses for people,
Basically there is one rule that will never be disproved
Moderation is always important exercise it and you will likely be among the many who have not witnessed any particular problems
In addition watch your health, be savvy to your body and know what it is craving, I know in my experiences with chemicals headaches can occur, this is not holes being burnt in your brain it is your body signaling it is deficient in something, I for one have had headaches several times towards the tail end of some extasy trips which were cured immediately after drinking some Gatorade or an equal substitute to replenish salts sugars electrolytes and so on.
The human body is a finely tuned machine, but don't think balance can not still be maintained chemically merely because additional chemicals are in the picture, Think of the situation as a scale and the more grotesquely imbalanced it becomes the higher likelihood of negative side effects.